Could "Judgement Day" = "Dimensional Shift 2012"?

Originally posted by Viendin
2012, not 1212..

And Entropy works at an accelerating rate, it doesn't just jump like that. It has been accelerating, and will continue, but it doesn't mean within 9 years we'll be going nuts.

And dunkle, any.. proof on some big change there?

I've always felt there is gonna be one, but I can't believe it till I have something real to go on.

terrence mckenna? time wave zero? checked it out? or gregg braden? awakening to zero point?
cool about the gauss thing. congrats on your gift.

Originally posted by guest

Originally posted by MKULTRA

Could someone please explain what your average dimensional shift looks like? What can we expect?

it looks like nothing

because it is nothing more than fiction

(bad fiction at that)

most scholars of the mayan calendar simply believe that 2012 is the end of a cycle, nothing more, nothing less

or maybe we'll have a Y2.012k scare - that would be fun - we need another round of unfounded mass hysteria

Actually, according to String Theory, a collision in dimmentions (a dimmentional shift) is more than plausable. For more information on String Theory, go the PBS web site. I think it is PBS.org.

Originally posted by jammerman
I've got this idea forming in the back of my mind that in 2012 there is going to be a major transformation physically and spiritually on this planet. Many sources are pointing toward 2012 as an "end date" if you will. Through my faith in Jesus Christ I see it as a new beginning.

The Mayan calendar runs out on December 21, 2012 (which is extremely accurate).
Genuine crop circles are pointing toward a physical and spiritual awakening with increased frequency and complexity.
UFO sitings are off the charts.
The antichrist is running America (oops, did I write that?

The secret government is working very hard to prevent ascention information from coming out. (eg crop circle and alien information suppression)
The secret government is installing plans to control us all via technology and information control. (eg microchip implants and control of commerce "No man shall buy or sell without the mark")

Does it not feel like time has sped up a bit? (As in a frequency increase)

Mystics, channelers etc are pointing toward a dimensional shift in 2012.
The Hopi indians are saying that signs have come to pass to mark the return of the star people.

How does all this fit together with the second coming of Christ? Anybody care to share their ideas?

~Jammer

HOLY CRAP!

I don't even know how to respond to this. Here I go:

How do you know these things about genuine crop circles?

What are you going to do when you find out George Bush is not the anti christ?

If it is a secret government, how do you know it is trying to prevent ascention information from coming out?

What the heck is ascention information?

How can the secret government be installing plans to control us with technology and chip control when the NON SECRET government is doing it right in front of your obviously half closed eyes?

Who are these mystics and channelers pointing to some sort of dimentional shift?

Why don't you mention anything about the majority of these mystics and channelers who do not point to some sort of dimensional shift at that time?

What information do you have that enables you to consider the Hopi Indians a reliable source?

Obviously you believe in one God due to your christian references in the above post. The hopi Indians believe in many gods. How can you go along with spiritual information that disagrees with your fundamental base?

My ideas are that this connection is completely based in abstract speculation. In other words there is no connection between any of these things. After all, they just came from the melting pot in the "back of your mind".

Originally posted by dunkleskates
i can hardly contain my excitement! makes me want to be really carefull so i can be sure to still be alive for it!:

Me too brother, but I want to be careful morally so I can be alive AFTER it....

Originally posted by Seapeople

HOLY CRAP!

I don't even know how to respond to this. Here I go:

How do you know these things about genuine crop circles?

I have been researching crop circles for some time. There is TONS of information for anyone who cares to read a few books and do some basic research. Here's a few links to some web sites to get you started:

www.bltresearch.com...
www.lovely.clara.net...
www.cccrn.ca...
www.temporarytemples.co.uk...
www.cropcircleresearch.com...
www.cropcircle-archive.com...

Originally posted by Seapeople
What are you going to do when you find out George Bush is not the anti christ?

That was just a jab at GWB, not serious

Originally posted by Seapeople
If it is a secret government, how do you know it is trying to prevent ascention information from coming out?

I don't "know" that, it is just my impressions based on information I've read over the years. Ascension is the process of moving forward or upward in frequency (for lack of a better reference). IMHO, the "Secret Government" is a group of people who value this world above others by seeking to gain power through financial and physical means. This is in direct conflict with the whole concept of Ascension. Hence, this is only an opinion of mine, as is everything I write.

Originally posted by Seapeople
What the heck is ascention information?

Ascension information (the best I've found) can be found at the link in my signature.

Originally posted by Seapeople
How can the secret government be installing plans to control us with technology and chip control when the NON SECRET government is doing it right in front of your obviously half closed eyes?

The "Secret Government" controls the "Non-Secret Government" and through big business. Only a few people in the world (respectively speaking) control a significant portion of the world's resources including financial. These people have TREMENDOUS influence on how governments behave. They don't have "total control" in my opinion, but they have enough to gain sway in the physical.

Originally posted by Seapeople
Who are these mystics and channelers pointing to some sort of dimentional shift?

See the Ascension link in my signature. David Wilcocks, Gordon Michael Scallion (Earth Changes Website), and Edgar Cayce to name a few.

Originally posted by Seapeople
Why don't you mention anything about the majority of these mystics and channelers who do not point to some sort of dimensional shift at that time?

Because I have not found any. Please post some links to these other mystics and channelers so I can review them.

Originally posted by Seapeople
What information do you have that enables you to consider the Hopi Indians a reliable source?

I have seen many references from different sources regarding their beliefs. I analyze information based upon my references and how information correlates. How do you determine what you believe to be accurate or inaccurate, truthful or nontruthful?

Originally posted by Seapeople
Obviously you believe in one God due to your christian references in the above post. The hopi Indians believe in many gods. How can you go along with spiritual information that disagrees with your fundamental base?

This is off topic completely and would require a completely separate thread. Please start one if you want to go down this road.

Originally posted by Seapeople
My ideas are that this connection is completely based in abstract speculation. In other words there is no connection between any of these things. After all, they just came from the melting pot in the "back of your mind".

Of course it's speculation! I didn't state it as fact. Merely as a connection between different points of reference. You can choose to ignore and disbelieve anything and everything... Where will that get you? Let me answer for you... NO WHERE.

How about an honest discussion?

Peace,

+Jammer

You know all matter vibrates. We are made of atoms, electrons which move. Now everywhere we go we read that the change will mean a higer rate of vibration. Think a little, if our atoms, electrons, our body will vibrate at the speed of light what will hapen? Will there be time? The world would change.

All that will happen on that date is that our solar system (ie Sun) will pass through the centre/be aligned (exactly that is - not "in the vicinity of")) with the galactic plane and this happens every 13000 odd years in a 26000 odd year cycle.

I think we'll have a shift and I recommend you hold on

If a spirtual one happens as well, then so be it...or will the spiritual shift come from the physical one?

I look at it from the way the northern hemi tornado's spin anti-clockwise and the souther hemi tornado's spin clockwise. Now what happens if a northern hemi tornado passes over the equator? I think that will happen to our solar system - whether we flip, reverse..who knows...but we will exist after the fact. How do I know? The Australian aboriginals are older than 13000 years so it can't be all that bad

I haven't read it yet, but there is a book called Galactic Alignment by John Major Jenkins. Have a look at the reviews as this may be an interesting read for you.

www.amazon.com...

Cheers

JS

Dimensional Shift perhaps not.. Spiritual Shift more like it after all, When is the Human Spirit as a "Whole" (that means lots and lots of people at the same time) seriously transformed? During times of great disaters.

Now as for Christ's return well how do you know he is not here already? It does say that he will come like a theif in the night... meaning that no one will know when or where he will come, since he will not come as he did before.

The Mayan Calander... Yes it is a system of seasons and ages and cycles and one of those cycles is the return of possibly one of the largest Comets to traverse the heavens, and that happens at the end of that calander 12/21/2012. They refered to it as the "God Planet" and is rumored to be the reason for their advanced knowledge and technology. IF and I do mean IF something that large were to be moving into this part of the Universe and even pass relatively close to earth, what affects do you think it might have? I mean the distortions to the fabric of Space/Time with respect to gravity could affect everything long before it arrived.

Judgment Day, The Apocolyspe, what ever you want to call it is simply another cycle of the planet, solar system, Universe and this time we are stuck in the middle of it. You can either not worry about it and be a good person to yourselves and others and you have nothing to worry about. You can contiinue to be rude and selfish and egotisical and not care and you'll realize too late that you are bummin. OR You can prepare yourselves to stick it out and fight the changes to come with the Gifts granted to you by the Power of the Universe (translated ...GOD) and do as the Universe intended you to do and that is to Survive and deal with the difficulties that life throws at you. After all what do you learn if your already dead? Not much of a spiritual transformation if your not here to make it. Death is not a spiritual transformation it is death the Universe's way of Recycling. I know that statement might go over like a lead zeppaline (sp?) but you can take it on faith alone (like most take things of the spirit) or you can actually think about it and work all the angles of the statment and then take what you find on faith. Choice is yours. At any rate I have to sleep sometime so goodnight ~BlakTalin~

Originally posted by daniel191159
I believe that on December 21, 2012 there will be a shift. As for the question of what one looks like it has no form. The shift would take place on an astral and spirituall level affecting all forms of spirituall energy. For those interested in learning more give me a U2U and I can give you a site that might be a little more informative.

Post a link here.

As for the shift, im an expert on this field. I am writing a book about this at the moment. To understand how the shift happens you have to study 9 dimensional model of perception outlined in books like Pleiadian Agenda. Theres the 9 dimensions of perceptions and there is the 10ths dimension which encompases all 9 in form and governs the "shift".


If anyone wants more info let me know.

Read the White Horse prophecy. I am St. Joseph and the world will not end it will be a rebirth of good and all will be pure again. Love will rule the world.

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Why should the ravings of ignorant savages who stuck stingray spines through their penises and cut our the hearts of their captives be taken seriously on any matter? Because they could predict when Venus would rise and set? PFFFFTTT! Too bad they couldn't predict that they would bring about the end of their culture through intertribal wars of extermination.

with more and more people noticing dimensional or time slips/shifts going on, i am gonna go ahead and put some stock in this theory.

Oh no. If the dimension shifts do we all lose our keys and start seeing Australia and New Zealand in a new location? Or does popcorn take a minute longer to make than usual? Or we're all gonna be late for work?? Sorry couldn't help myself :-D

Seriously I'm thinking nuclear holocause, total societal collapse, something along those lines.

I honestly believe the people that started these ancient civilizations were from other ancient civilizations that were already technologically advance. I think these people were aware of the technologican advances we would make (wagons, cars, railroads, electricity, oil, space flight, etc) and so created a "prophecy" for the younger civlizations they had helped to establish. The prophecy was not really a prophecy it was just a vague idea of what was to come from someone who already knew their ancient history and knew how the new civilizations on the planet would progress.


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When I came across the Timewave Zero theory, I wondered if it was connected to the following scriptures…

For in those days shall be affliction, such as was not from the beginning of the creation which God created unto this time, neither shall be.
And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect's sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days. Mark 13:19-20 KJV

For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened. Matt 24:21-22 KJV

…And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer:
Rev 10:6 KJV

The word “Shortened” from Strong’s Concordance…
NT:2856 kolobooo, koloboo:
to cut off to shorten, abridge, curtail

I haven’t taken the time to thoroughly study this but my gut tells me there is a connection.

Peace

[edit on 12-5-2010 by FearNoEvil]

Originally posted by Protector
As far as Judgement Day, go see Terminator 3 and you'll understand about being part of the inevitable.

Because we all know that movies are a great and infallible source for facts.

Originally posted by jammerman
I've got this idea forming in the back of my mind that in 2012 there is going to be a major transformation physically and spiritually on this planet. Many sources are pointing toward 2012 as an "end date" if you will. Through my faith in Jesus Christ I see it as a new beginning.

The Mayan calendar runs out on December 21, 2012 (which is extremely accurate).
Genuine crop circles are pointing toward a physical and spiritual awakening with increased frequency and complexity.
UFO sitings are off the charts.
The antichrist is running America (oops, did I write that?

The secret government is working very hard to prevent ascention information from coming out. (eg crop circle and alien information suppression)
The secret government is installing plans to control us all via technology and information control. (eg microchip implants and control of commerce "No man shall buy or sell without the mark")

Does it not feel like time has sped up a bit? (As in a frequency increase)

Mystics, channelers etc are pointing toward a dimensional shift in 2012.
The Hopi indians are saying that signs have come to pass to mark the return of the star people.

How does all this fit together with the second coming of Christ? Anybody care to share their ideas?

~Jammer

speaking of hopi prophecies the one about the blue star kachina has been fullfilled via the comet holmes. So soon the red purifier will show itself.

I don't know about the 2nd coming of christ. it is very hard for me to believe right now. Why I say it is hard for me to believe? Nobody would believe him to be the one and just be another crackpot trying to "save" the people.

Do people have a closet 'need' for catastrophic cataclysm?

Or are they just entranced by visions of horror?

Since i observe no micro-dimensional shifts, i am expected to think there will be a sudden, stark, out of the ordinary violent shift?

Maybe, but i won't be betting any hard cash on it.

Maybe it is a need for [melo-]drama in our lives?