Brains that CANT pray to go to HELL

walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit

originally posted by: japhrimu
walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit

But current religion is all about the flesh

See? It doesn't make any sense

But whatever makes you feel happy, even if enclosed in a certain specific concept of what happiness means

Be well and hope the best for you < 3

a reply to: cooperton

The desire to be God is the epitome of godlessness. The analogy of father and son is not applicable as mentioned before. Quality and Quantity. Praise is not about what God is gonna do for you, rather devotional service to the Supreme in a mood of loving surrender is more about pleasing the Lord and less yourself. This aspiration to unite with the Lord seems more to do with your desire to Lord over Creation than it does with you serving the Supreme Lord eternally through acts of loving devotion.

(I am assuming, and projecting, and.... putting words in your mouth. And probably judging, AND AND AND trying to change your perspective. So please forgive me. I mean no offense. (could've used a Halo Above My Head Emoji right about now... LOL)

a reply to: Malisa

originally posted by: Malisa

But current religion is all about the flesh


What religion are you referring to as being concerned with the flesh? Could you please explain. I agree and disagree. I see both happening. Religions filled with focus on the flesh, but I also see (to a much smaller degree) a few religions emphasizing we are not our bodies, we are spirit souls. Thus a focus on Spirit and de-emphasis on flesh. What are your thoughts on this?

originally posted by: MrAlphabetman
a reply to: cooperton

The desire to be God is the epitome of godlessness. The analogy of father and son is not applicable as mentioned before. Quality and Quantity. Praise is not about what God is gonna do for you, rather devotional service to the Supreme in a mood of loving surrender is more about pleasing the Lord and less yourself. This aspiration to unite with the Lord seems more to do with your desire to Lord over Creation than it does with you serving the Supreme Lord eternally through acts of loving devotion.

For sure there is great danger in thinking you are on the level of God. The story of Icarus where the Father gives him wings and he flies too close to the sun, burning his wings and plummeting to the mud below, is a great analogy of the situation. Yet the part that seldom gets told in that story is flying too low, thinking yourself alienated from God entirely, is also a mistake. God came manifest unencumbered in human form to tell us that He is our Dad, and we are his children. I trust this, yet I also do not get overconfident, because no one likes that kid who goes around spoiled and arrogant because his Dad owns the block.

(I am assuming, and projecting, and.... putting words in your mouth. And probably judging, AND AND AND trying to change your perspective. So please forgive me. I mean no offense. (could've used a Halo Above My Head Emoji right about now... LOL)

All good, conversations should be honest!

a reply to: cooperton

I can agree on the approach you are taking here.

a reply to: cooperton

I can agree on the approach you are taking here.

a reply to: cooperton

I can agree on the approach you are taking here.

a reply to: cooperton

I can agree on the approach you are taking here.

originally posted by: MrAlphabetman
a reply to: Malisa

What religion are you referring to as being concerned with the flesh? Could you please explain. I agree and disagree. I see both happening. Religions filled with focus on the flesh, but I also see (to a much smaller degree) a few religions emphasizing we are not our bodies, we are spirit souls. Thus a focus on Spirit and de-emphasis on flesh. What are your thoughts on this?

I think the way to go is to stop declaring our own weak beliefs and wishes as the word of God, that's ridiculous and sad

If there is a church out there which doesn't repeat human words because it's easy for them to control and gather people around, then let's all make it known!

But if there's a church that says "we speak the word of God" and then manipulate through human wishes so they can gather people around, then that's not quite the word of God.

And absolute truths based on a dumb human wish, such as a girl being a virgin or similar thoughts about 'purity' as defined by a human being are just dumb

And yet we have entire religions based on that. I believe you know well which ones i'm talking about

I don't have a religion at this time, none at all, i was part of the eastern orthodox church as i was growing up. I gave up on that as soon as i turned 12. It was ridiculous and i could not fake another day anymore, I was a complete hypocrite every single day and it was time to stop lying

a reply to: Malisa
To take an aside from scope of religion. If someone or something is so powerful that they created everything, and can control everything, while having perfect knowledge of that, it should inspire fear that you should defy them or invoke their anger.

Now that that aside is out of the way, Fear is not required! It is recommended, but not required. As speaking from a Christian perspective, you have a choice to supplicate yourself to the Lord or to not supplicate yourself to the Lord. However the choices to or not to have outcomes that are very different.

originally posted by: dubiousatworst
a reply to: Malisa
To take an aside from scope of religion. If someone or something is so powerful that they created everything, and can control everything, while having perfect knowledge of that, it should inspire fear that you should defy them or invoke their anger.

No it should not, that's a human idea and concept, that something bigger than you must scare you, like a Lion or a Bear.

If he's the creator, obviously he created you, he knows what's inside you, he doesn't need your fear or respect at all. If you want to feel fear it's up to you but that's your mistake, he did not ask for it

Now that that aside is out of the way, Fear is not required! It is recommended, but not required.

Recommended by who? It is used as a tool to keep people bent down and under control, with fear. Fear is such as useful tool

As speaking from a Christian perspective, you have a choice to supplicate yourself to the Lord or to not supplicate yourself to the Lord. However the choices to or not to have outcomes that are very different.

As far as i know, two of the three abrahamic religions (Christian and Islamic) believe in hell if you don't make your body a pure host of some sort, whatever that means. Only Judaism has a different concept about what happens after death.

I may be wrong on this as it has been some time since i stopped researching religions, so please give me input on this if i'm wrong

a reply to: Malisa

There are some groups which I think fit your requirements for :

TextIf there is a church out there which doesn't repeat human words because it's easy for the to control and gather people around, then let's all make it known!

They are known, but they may not be existing as "Churches". They are possibly listed as temples, mandirs, lodges, societies, etc...

Your experience up to age 12 years old I personally empathize with. I had a similar experience around that age and protested my upbringing as the grandson of a Christian preacher. I've made peace with those experiences, and the hurt feelings and/or deceptions I carried for wrong or right all those years. But each has their own experience, I don't project mine on to you and I hope for your advancement whatever form it may take. Regardless, I am certain advancement lies in store for all of us (to varying degrees of course), it seems to be a condition of our visitation while we're here in this flesh. At least those are my thoughts on the subject. Thanks for sharing.

originally posted by: MrAlphabetman
a reply to: Malisa

There are some groups which I think fit your requirements for :

TextIf there is a church out there which doesn't repeat human words because it's easy for the to control and gather people around, then let's all make it known!

They are known, but they may not be existing as "Churches". They are possibly listed as temples, mandirs, lodges, societies, etc...

Your experience up to age 12 years old I personally empathize with. I had a similar experience around that age and protested my upbringing as the grandson of a Christian preacher. I've made peace with those experiences, and the hurt feelings and/or deceptions I carried for wrong or right all those years. But each has their own experience, I don't project mine on to you and I hope for your advancement whatever form it may take. Regardless, I am certain advancement lies in store for all of us (to varying degrees of course), it seems to be a condition of our visitation while we're here in this flesh. At least those are my thoughts on the subject. Thanks for sharing.

Thank you as well, it was interesting to read about your own experience

As i feel, we don't need to be lead, it actually slows down the actual experience of learning about life. People will always teach what they feel is right, even if they are wrong they will enforce their ideals upon you. And that's very bad, we don't need agendas or kids repeating around words they don't understand because 'it's the word of the lord' and they are basically being brainwashed

We need critical thinking and people with open minds that can figure out things because they see and sense them, not because they were told 'you will do this or else' as it is happening all over the place

Thanks for your words, i get what you mean < 3

a reply to: dubiousatworst

Why would you fear a benign and loving god?

a reply to: surfer_soul

You pay at the church to keep god happy apparently gotta keep em afraid to keep the dosh rolling in.
I'm with you god is not a jealous god at all she is a loving warm one.

a reply to: MyToxicTash

If god is anything like nature, I would say it is mostly indifferent. Whatever our concerns our aren’t the same as it’s.

a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

I don't know anyone who was prevented from prayer due to creativity, the premise of the thread doesn't make much sense to me.

a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

Hell is living with eyes wide open while the mindless masses prevail. While the talking heads are able to spin a web of deceit, while the corrupt powers run roughshod over the poor blind fools you try to enlighten, and they say “please sir may I have another?”

I don't think God sends anyone to hell. I think people make that choice themselves. Some desire to hide from the supreme vengeful being that they were taught
to fear. Others decide that they like the competition within they rule or be ruled world and aren't willing to let it go. And there's a few sanctuaries allowed to exist within creation if one wishes to exist without a god, hide from a god, or to continue the competition to be the greatest most powerful god. But its you who have chosen to enter them and it is you that has the power to exit when you grow tired of the game and decide you want to learn a new game.