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originally posted by: DigginFoTroof
If the birth certificate were finally produced and it was found to have layers, which does not happen with the file type provided when a document is scanned, only when it is manipulated & changed (layers allow for sections to be changed, it's like stacking clear plastic sheet with writing/info/pictures in different places to make a picture/document). A scan would produce a single layer of the final picture.
Now knowing how much manipulation has been done on the Internet (making false sites, creating false intel reports, etc) tell me that you don't think this was done for Obama when covering up his birth certificate.
[EX]https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/birth-certificate/[/EX]
Tell me ONE good thing Obama has done for the US besides leave the White House?
Now looking at what the media has done to Trump and what they have ignored with Hillary and others (Smollet among countless others), do you think they fabricated and provided cover for Obama? THAT is where the real collusion has been. I also include Facebook and Google in these lists of conspirators b/c they have the power to make documents look "older" or original, change dates, etc and there can even be manipulation of old news papers (editing or deleting) among many other things.
I would like others to look at this entire issue now with 2019 mind set (many of us had that in 2008, but were screamed at as RACISTS, BIGOTS, and were shunned, outcast and ignored). We didn't do this because he was black, we did this because the evidence said "look here, somethings VERY WRONG". But the media knew it was as well, and they had to silence those who dared speak out against "the chosen one".
Now re-think this issue w/o the perspective of race or being called racist. This topic actually still matters a lot b/c it will show what the MSM & gov are capable of, and it could make Obama's entire presidency illegitimate, it's already a utter failure, maybe that's because it was illegal to begin with. Dreamers could be kicked out b/c it came from an illegitimate squatter.
Obama's fake birth certificate
There are eight former U.S. Presidents who were not born in the United States. George Washington, John Adams, Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, James Monroe, John Q. Adams, Andrew Jackson, and William Henry Harrison were all born prior to 1776, and therefore were born in British colonies. Martin Van Buren, the 8th President, was the first to be born in the United States. Harrison succeeded him, but every President since John Tyler (the 10th) was born in the U.S.
originally posted by: toolgal462
a reply to: jadedANDcynical
agreed. This is something we must be pragmatic about. Even if he was born in Kenya, we can't undo the 8 yrs. he was in office.
It is far more practical to work on undoing or reversing the damage.
originally posted by: snarfbot
originally posted by: DigginFoTroof
If the birth certificate were finally produced and it was found to have layers, which does not happen with the file type provided when a document is scanned, only when it is manipulated & changed (layers allow for sections to be changed, it's like stacking clear plastic sheet with writing/info/pictures in different places to make a picture/document). A scan would produce a single layer of the final picture.
Now knowing how much manipulation has been done on the Internet (making false sites, creating false intel reports, etc) tell me that you don't think this was done for Obama when covering up his birth certificate.
[EX]https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/birth-certificate/[/EX]
Tell me ONE good thing Obama has done for the US besides leave the White House?
Now looking at what the media has done to Trump and what they have ignored with Hillary and others (Smollet among countless others), do you think they fabricated and provided cover for Obama? THAT is where the real collusion has been. I also include Facebook and Google in these lists of conspirators b/c they have the power to make documents look "older" or original, change dates, etc and there can even be manipulation of old news papers (editing or deleting) among many other things.
I would like others to look at this entire issue now with 2019 mind set (many of us had that in 2008, but were screamed at as RACISTS, BIGOTS, and were shunned, outcast and ignored). We didn't do this because he was black, we did this because the evidence said "look here, somethings VERY WRONG". But the media knew it was as well, and they had to silence those who dared speak out against "the chosen one".
Now re-think this issue w/o the perspective of race or being called racist. This topic actually still matters a lot b/c it will show what the MSM & gov are capable of, and it could make Obama's entire presidency illegitimate, it's already a utter failure, maybe that's because it was illegal to begin with. Dreamers could be kicked out b/c it came from an illegitimate squatter.
You're not gonna find it having layers unless they upload the whole project which would be in a format that most image viewers dont support and doesnt work on web pages like .psd for example for photoshop.
Every image manipulation program uses it's own type for the most part although there is limited compatibility.
The image types you often see, .gif .jpg .bmp and such do not support layers. There may be extended jpeg or bitmap or whatever that do, but standard codecs wont be able to read them.
This is very basic stuff that someone forging birth certificates wouldn't mess up on. They would likely export it merging all layers and then print it and scan the print giving it brand new metadata.
Edit: dont get me wrong I'm not defending its authenticity or anything, the evidence they have produced suggests its fake.
I'm just saying the existence of a layered image with all the stamps and signatures on separate layers wouldn't necessarily be evidence of it being faked as that could be produced after the fact for one. And if you're able to edit images like that you know enough to put it in a mainstream format and not include anything incriminating.
Maybe if it was in an old hard drive belonging to the Obama campaign that hasn't been accessed for 15 years then maybe I'd consider it.
originally posted by: mekhanics
a reply to: DigginFoTroof
Obama's fake birth certificate
Does it fkin matter?
Did you know?
There are eight former U.S. Presidents who were not born in the United States. George Washington, John Adams, Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, James Monroe, John Q. Adams, Andrew Jackson, and William Henry Harrison were all born prior to 1776, and therefore were born in British colonies. Martin Van Buren, the 8th President, was the first to be born in the United States. Harrison succeeded him, but every President since John Tyler (the 10th) was born in the U.S.
Source
originally posted by: DigginFoTroof
originally posted by: snarfbot
originally posted by: DigginFoTroof
If the birth certificate were finally produced and it was found to have layers, which does not happen with the file type provided when a document is scanned, only when it is manipulated & changed (layers allow for sections to be changed, it's like stacking clear plastic sheet with writing/info/pictures in different places to make a picture/document). A scan would produce a single layer of the final picture.
Now knowing how much manipulation has been done on the Internet (making false sites, creating false intel reports, etc) tell me that you don't think this was done for Obama when covering up his birth certificate.
[EX]https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/birth-certificate/[/EX]
Tell me ONE good thing Obama has done for the US besides leave the White House?
Now looking at what the media has done to Trump and what they have ignored with Hillary and others (Smollet among countless others), do you think they fabricated and provided cover for Obama? THAT is where the real collusion has been. I also include Facebook and Google in these lists of conspirators b/c they have the power to make documents look "older" or original, change dates, etc and there can even be manipulation of old news papers (editing or deleting) among many other things.
I would like others to look at this entire issue now with 2019 mind set (many of us had that in 2008, but were screamed at as RACISTS, BIGOTS, and were shunned, outcast and ignored). We didn't do this because he was black, we did this because the evidence said "look here, somethings VERY WRONG". But the media knew it was as well, and they had to silence those who dared speak out against "the chosen one".
Now re-think this issue w/o the perspective of race or being called racist. This topic actually still matters a lot b/c it will show what the MSM & gov are capable of, and it could make Obama's entire presidency illegitimate, it's already a utter failure, maybe that's because it was illegal to begin with. Dreamers could be kicked out b/c it came from an illegitimate squatter.
You're not gonna find it having layers unless they upload the whole project which would be in a format that most image viewers dont support and doesnt work on web pages like .psd for example for photoshop.
Every image manipulation program uses it's own type for the most part although there is limited compatibility.
The image types you often see, .gif .jpg .bmp and such do not support layers. There may be extended jpeg or bitmap or whatever that do, but standard codecs wont be able to read them.
This is very basic stuff that someone forging birth certificates wouldn't mess up on. They would likely export it merging all layers and then print it and scan the print giving it brand new metadata.
Edit: dont get me wrong I'm not defending its authenticity or anything, the evidence they have produced suggests its fake.
I'm just saying the existence of a layered image with all the stamps and signatures on separate layers wouldn't necessarily be evidence of it being faked as that could be produced after the fact for one. And if you're able to edit images like that you know enough to put it in a mainstream format and not include anything incriminating.
Maybe if it was in an old hard drive belonging to the Obama campaign that hasn't been accessed for 15 years then maybe I'd consider it.
I agree 100% about the layers, which is why I mentioned them. If you scan an image most times, for 99% of the people who want a simple file of the image, it's going to be jpg, png, bmp or possibly pdf. The file that was originally on the white house site was a file that had layers and I think it was a photoshop file, probably a psd and it was inside a viewer plugin (like a flash plugin). Someone got past the browser plugin and downloaded the source and found it had something like 30 layers, which means there could very possibly be 28-29 edits. Some could be small like erasing a smudge or writing or stamp (from customs - they bleed through sometimes), but when the person went online and told people about it, the site was changed very quickly to a pdf or jpg that didn't need a plugin, and the layers had been merged.
I remember seeing the file back when it came out and I honestly think it was a PDF with that many layers, but I don't work with creating/editing PDF's so I'm not sure how they do layers if they do them. Now if it was an OCR scan, to pick up text, and place it inside a pre-made birthcertificate background (the OCR scan of text in an outline of a blank/white birth certificate), then the OCR scan could be pasted on top of a blank birth certificate background and it would look real. And it would have at least 2 layers. There another way to do it where each section was scanned individually and pasted on the background and that would account for so many layers, and I think PDF would retain them, unless you compressed the file. I was much more into graphics and image manipulation back then and I knew 100% what I was looking at wasn't an original scan.
There was also problems with resolution/pixel differentiation between some text and the background, like they were scanned (background) and the fonts were vectored, which will show up differently and reveal a fake. But somehow, all that passed by those in power. I always wondered if they outsourced this job to the lowest bidder in China, India or Bangledesh or something. It was either that or they were rubbing our noses in it (those who could figure it out), or it was done to keep people chasing their tails.
I'll see if I can pull up the file, I know I saved it, but I lost a 4TB disk with a lot of data, but have 4 others it could be on. I'm sure the original fake is still out there somewhere, would be interesting to see if it can be found still online.
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