Couple Decided Not To Take Child To Hospital For 100 Degree Fever, Police Kick Down Their Door

a reply to: jtma508

Fact: If the child was in imminent danger they would not have gotten a warrant. Please tell me what the child's temp was after being removed.

a reply to: OccamsRazor04

ut then decided to ignore medical advice - what was the point of visiting the doctor ??????????

a reply to: ignorant_ape

Taking it into account and making a decision is not ignoring it. They go home, fever starts coming down, they are no longer worried, they use all information available and come to a decision. In that scenario nothing is ignored.
Fact: Getting a warrant is saying the child is NOT in imminent danger.

I don't need to agree with the parents decision to disagree with DCS. I believe this had more to do with vaccinations than the fever.

a reply to: OccamsRazor04

utter bollox " 100 fever " is not " nothing " - esp when a real doctor has examined the child - and reccomended hospital visit

why do you ignore that

without talking to the doctor and mother - i dunno what either was thinking


but i side with the doc - purely on grounds of " the precautionary principal "

yes - doctors CAN make mistakes , and doctors can be corrupt - ut if you are going to ignore // second guess them - why bother ?

a reply to: OccamsRazor04

utter twaddle - a warrent can be secured in 5 minuites - i has found that out the hard way

originally posted by: Blaine91555
There is more to this story.

The doctor asked if the child had his vaccinations.

The mother said no.

Concerned that a lethargic child with a fever and lacking vaccinations could have meningitis, the doctor instructed the mother to take the child to the emergency department at Banner Cardon Children’s Medical Center in Mesa

The police arrived at 10:30 PM and got no response to a knock. After a few phone conversations, including a neighbor who called to help out the police, at 1 AM they finally took down the door. There is more like the warrant was not sought by the caseworker until after 11:30 PM.

I suspect had they just answered the door and showed them the kid was OK, no warrant would have been issued and they would all be home together right now.

Can't blame the doctor for not wanting to risk the kid had meningitis which could kill the kid in a few hours.

A rational couple would have simply opened the door and problem solved, no kids taken away. It's important to read the whole story.

Inside, they found a juvenile who said she was sick and had thrown up in her bed.

Officers said the home was “messy” with clothing piles and concrete floors. In the parent’s room, a shotgun lay next to the bed, according to police records.

Yep, much more to this story.

Certainly more to the story and in that light, it seems reasonable to me. At the end of the day, temperatures over 100 can kill, particularly in adolescents. The parents do not come out of this story well, in my opinion.

a reply to: OccamsRazor04

f we believe the info supplied by another ATS member - up thread - then the fever was 105 . not 100

so if true - the mothers reliability // credibility = zero

a reply to: ignorant_ape

It was 105 at one time. NO ONE has ever claimed it was 105 when SWAT took him. Not DCS, no one. The parents say the fever broke and was decreasing and that is why they decided not to go to the hospital. I read about 10 news stories on it and not one I read countered the fever breaking.

Fact: Applying for the search warrant means DCS has to acknowledge the child is NOT in immediate danger. Why do you keep ignoring that?

The doctor instructed the parents to take the child to the emergency room, but the fever broke after the doctor's visit, so they never went.

www.abc15.com...

The doctor instructed the mother to take the toddler to the emergency room as soon as possible, but since the child's fever later broke, she took him back to their home in Chandler

abcnews.go.com...

The doctor instructed the parents to take the child to the emergency room, but the fever broke after the doctor's visit, so they never went.

abc7news.com...

The doctor reportedly advised the parents to take the boy to the emergency room, but the parents decided not to after the boy’s fever broke.

www.foxnews.com...

a reply to: infolurker

Here's my biggest problem with this: Where was the ambulance? EMTs? Any qualified medical personnel?

I'm shocked that a doctor would let a child with a 105° temp leave his office at all, rather than call an ambulance to pick up that child. If the doctor was concerned about meningitis, did the doctor test the child for it?

And if the authorities were really concerned about the welfare of the child, there damn well would have been a qualified and trained health care provider brought to the house to actually examine and evaluate the child's health to determine if there was any risk to the child.

Anything less is just unbridled power and control... tyranny.

originally posted by: BlueJacket
a reply to: infolurker

Whats worse, 100 temperature, or tearing children from their parents arms in the middle of the night?

They created irrepairable psychological/ emotional harm to those poor kids.

This is what makes me not want government involved health care.

I have been a mother for almost 44 years.I would never go to the hospital for that low of
a fever in my child.

a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

About 1600-2600 dollarsworth no insurance. With insurance I had to pay600 out of pocket and300for the doctors.

Jaden

This family already had a case worker, so there were likely some issues before this.

a reply to: ignorant_ape

I might not be back for some time today, but I have to respond quickly to this.

The temperature does not matter. All that matters is that a family was attacked, and their home was invaded by armed militia with the full permission... no, full direction... of the government because of the opinion of one person who was unfamiliar with the family's situation. I don't care if that one person was a doctor. I was scheduled for surgery to repair an ulcer early in my 20s... an ulcer I didn't have (and have never developed). I have been accused of going against medical advice because I wouldn't let my mother die. I have been accused of going against medical advice because I question what medicines the nurse brings me that she can't explain. Just because somebody has the title "Dr." in front of their name, it does not follow they are God. I already have a God, thank you very much, and I have no desire to change that.

As for the temperature, I survived a fever of 108 degrees in my childhood... without a hospital! As soon as my mother saw it, I had both parents frantically rubbing me down with alcohol. Guess what? It worked. No damn hospital required; no damn ambulance required; no damn medical bills required; no sitting all night waiting on someone to take a look at me because there are 50 people waiting in line over everything from heart attacks to hangnails in front of us required.

You side with the police on this one, and you are throwing away everything that makes modern society possible. You are throwing away your right to privacy, your right to be secure in your own home, your right to be free of unreasonable search and seizure, your right to raise your own children. Even if you want to throw those rights down the drain and be a good little sheep, do not try and throw my rights down the same drain; I am a free man, and by damn I will stay that way until I die.

This is a hill I am willing to die on. Are you?

TheRedneck

a reply to: infolurker

This is out of control

All parties involve deserve the harshest punishment allowed under the law.

Does anybody here think state and federal governments don't need knocked down about 2,500 pegs?

In the 80s we would have probably arrested or at least verbally lashed someone for even suggesting we infringe on a parent's right to parent. Doctors are providers of a service and nothing more, as is state and federal governments (provider of a service in exchange for money - AKA "tax"). What kind of pedophiles think infringing on a parent's sovereign rights is acceptable?

They want the right to kill your babies via abortion
They want the right to brainwash them via public schools
They want the right to inject them with unproven/unverified chemicals
They want the right to force them into their healthcare systems (which teach absolute nonsense)

The sub-human statists worship at the alter of government and think they should control your child. Folks are dumb for even reporting they have children these days - they are entering them into a system who has one goal: "Total and absolute subjugation and control of all aspects" aka tyranny. This is pedophilia and cultism wrapped into one - brought to you by your friendly neighbor democrat.

a reply to: sligtlyskeptical

Which still doesn't give the government the right to get involved. Its a fever. Illnesses and infections happen. Very common. Not everyone wants to waste their time rushing into the ER over a simple viral infection when NSAIDs, fluid intake and even active cooling is perfectly fine.

In fact, taking them to a Doctor will cause more harm than good if they are wrongfully prescribed antibiotics for a simple viral infection or "cold"

Given the Low-IQ lawmakers we have, we can only assumed Doctors face the same PC forced hiring nonsense as every other field hence why the quality of these professions has gone down tremendously.

GraffikPleasure posted (( In PA they won't even take your child in the hospital unless they have above 104 fever ))
If that had been my case here in Florida when one of my sons was two he would have died .

I woke up he had a temp of 104.5 so put him in a cold bath to bring it down long enough to get to ER .
anyway i got the temp down to 103 and took him there .
the doc comes out says Scarlet fever !!!

Almost passed out doc must have relized I know what scarlet fever is says OO dont worry he will be fine we can stop it now .

anyway If they had turned me away because his fever was 103 he would have died .

100 % is not even a fever lol normal range is from 96 to 100 for humans 98.6 is just average .

And they wonder why so many parents choose not to vaccinate, or why nobody believes their mass-shooting conspiracy theories anymore. What part does government not understand that their credibility is shot to # and nobody trusts a word they say?

They are on "they're liars, so every word must be accompanied by incontrovertible evidence or its fake and a government lie"

Every last assertion needs to be backed up with raw, physical evidence or it never happened

Including climate change, vaccines, public schools, and all other issues.

Failing that, they should expect to not be trusted or believed. Centuries of lies will do that. Endless lies with an agenda will do that also. No one to blame but themselves - the liars.

a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

But I can tell you what would happen if ANYONE kicked my door down at 1 am in the morning.......

You would have been killed by the cops in riot gear if you tried anything.

a reply to: scraedtosleep

Riot gear is not bullet resistant

This is a clear infringement of parental rights and sovereignty

When the police state gets out of control, it needs put back in its place.

However... a true SRT team would have Level 3 or 4 plates and probably a shield carried by the point man

Doesn't change the fact this is a garbage excuse to knock someone's door in. Do we have to start going after doctors and hospitals? Looks like targeting the ACA will be just the start. We are duty bound to destroy the mechanisms of tyranny wherever it arises from

Too many criminals impersonate LE these days, and can get the same equipment/patches/badges/gear/etc. If you KNOW you did nothing illegal and your door is knocked in, can hardly blame folks for assuming it is a home invasion by a violent bloodthirsty criminal

Of course you should still be prepared to live in a non-extradition treaty country, since our criminal courts will side with the government in all instances. That is until of course enough citizens band together and create a "veto proof" armed majority to start calling the shots

a reply to: JBurns

This is a clear infringement of parental rights and sovereignty

Very much agreed.