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originally posted by: watchitburn
a reply to: ManyMasks
People invented numbers, they have no relevance to the universe except what we give them.
6174 is known as Kaprekar's constant after the Indian mathematician D. R. Kaprekar. This number is notable for the following rule:
- Take any four-digit number, using at least two different digits. (Leading zeros are allowed.)
- Arrange the digits in descending and then in ascending order to get two four-digit numbers, adding leading zeros if necessary.
- Subtract the smaller number from the bigger number.
- Go back to step 2 and repeat.
The above process, known as Kaprekar's routine, will usually reach its fixed point, 6174, in at most 8 iterations.
Once 6174 is reached, the process will continue yielding 7641 – 1467 = 6174. For example, choose 3524:
5432 – 2345 = 3087
8730 – 0378 = 8352
8532 – 2358 = 6174
7641 – 1467 = 6174
The only four-digit numbers for which Kaprekar's routine does not reach 6174 are repdigits such as 1111, which give the result 0000 after a single iteration. All other four-digit numbers eventually reach 6174 if leading zeros are used to keep the number of digits at 4.
Newton's translation A translation by Isaac Newton is found among his alchemical papers that are currently housed in King's College Library, Cambridge University.[8] Tis true without lying, certain & most true. That which is below is like that which is above & that which is above is like that which is below to do the miracles of one only thing And as all things have been & arose from one by the meditation of one: so all things have their birth from this one thing by adaptation. The Sun is its father, the moon its mother, the wind hath carried it in its belly, the earth is its nurse. The father of all perfection in the whole world is here. Its force or power is entire if it be converted into earth. Separate thou the earth from the fire, the subtle from the gross sweetly with great industry. It ascends from the earth to the heaven & again it descends to the earth & receives the force of things superior & inferior. By this means you shall have the glory of the whole world & thereby all obscurity shall fly from you. Its force is above all force. For it vanquishes every subtle thing & penetrates every solid thing. So was the world created. From this are & do come admirable adaptations whereof the means (or process) is here in this. Hence I am called Hermes Trismegist, having the three parts of the philosophy of the whole world That which I have said of the operation of the Sun is accomplished & ended.
Mathematics is nothing more than a language, created by man, using digits (rather than text) to describe things in a way we understand.
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My perception aligns with Tesla's. Man discovered mathematics... not so much created it. Language was formed around the discover to learn further.
The human being is a miracle of math... multiplied by the millions. For instance...symmetry is what humans find most desirable. The human eye can measure the slightest of differences from very far distances... opening up the discovery of fibonacci sequencing and what not.
The Flower of life represents the circle, the female. Within the Flower of Life Metatrons cube can be found. Metatrons cube represents the linear, the male. Now, all life that forms a heartbeat was built from the flower of life and genesis. Metatron's cube forms the 5 plutonic solids, upon which all life on Earth that doesn't have a heartbeat is built from.
So, the math, proportions, and time formed the human... which further time revealed the mysteries of mathematics. Leonardo Da Vinci's measuring of the anatomy and proportions indicate so heavily that math is a discovery alone.
I agree with the lack of preciseness you mentioned though. Only I may see it a bit different. It seems as numbers are getting fine tuned as time unfolds, while words mean nearly nothing as soon as one can't speak to the next person. Pi may be made to be more intricate over time, but scrapping the discoveries seems next to impossible to imagine.
originally posted by: ttobban
Well, the translations are what is hard to lean on... coupled with the mysterious known existence of the tablet as well. If the cultures have translated it, then where is it? It seems as if Toth and Hermes are essentially the same diety, so the Greek translation of the tablet would interest me more than any other for that link alone.
originally posted by: ttobban
a reply to: SeaWorthy
Well, I am aware of the Emerald Tablets, but specifics are a bit of guesswork. I'd go ahead and say that there's quite a bit of interest simply due to the links of pyramids being all over the globe. Couple the legend of Toth with both Atlantis and Egypt, and it peaks my interest even a bit further.
Do you have any links that may indicate a better translation of the tablets though?
originally posted by: Flyingclaydisk
a reply to: ARM1968
Mathematics is nothing more than a language, created by man, using digits (rather than text) to describe things in a way we understand.
Most mathematical applications to the real world are only approximations, they are, in many cases not exact. They are very close, but not precise. A good example of this is the area of a circle...A = Pi * r ^ 2. Pi is not a finite number, and therefore the resultant calculation is only an approximation. Again, it can be very close, but not exact.
Theoretically, mathematical expressions could be translated, just like a language, into some other system used to describe the same thing, using a different set of descriptors (i.e. "language).
Now, here's something fun to bend your brain a little...
Much of our mathematics is based on straight lines and geometric shapes formed by straight lines, yet the universe we live in is full of curvature. We use these tools to approximate values for all the curved things in our world. From planets and solar systems, all the way up to galaxies and all the way down to orbits of electrons and even atoms themselves at the sub-atomic level, very few straight lines. Now, imagine for a moment if ET (or some race) created a mathematical system based on circles and curvature...and used them to approximate linear forms. Imagine the things we would discover which we never even considered before.