Marching Against Brexit

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: bobs_uruncle

See that's the truth right there.

We all want the same thing really.

Brexit is just the current tool "they" use to keep us apart.

Cheers - Andy.

No, we don't all want the same thing. You want the EU to remain in control of much of the UK's laws. You want rulers.
Brexit is the tool to remove what you want from the table - and that is precisely what the people of this country voted for.

a reply to: UKTruth

You think after Brexit we won't have rulers? LoL

We have them just now, at look at the state of the place???

Brexit gives there type free reign to do as they please.

Precisely what around little more than half of the nation voted for, hardly a landslide by any manner nor means.

In any democratic society, the people can change there mind, especially given whats transpired, or has not as the case may be.

But its not a democracy now is it?

Well not really.

a reply to: DoctorBluechip

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: DoctorBluechip

As you seem to be posting that same meme everywhere...(without realising you have backed yourself into a corner)

So if we have a 2nd referendum are you supportive of a new one every 2 years?
Just want to make this clear... you are for regular referendums on EU membership, yes?
So the result of a 2nd one would be for just the next 2 years before we voted a 3rd time?

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: UKTruth

You think after Brexit we won't have rulers? LoL

We have them just now, at look at the state of the place???

Brexit gives there type free reign to do as they please.

Precisely what around little more than half of the nation voted for, hardly a landslide by any manner nor means.

In any democratic society, the people can change there mind, especially given whats transpired, or has not as the case may be.

But its not a democracy now is it?

Well not really.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

a reply to: UKTruth

So your answer to is to question apt memes?

2 places hardly constitutes everywhere. LoL

Point of fact, you ""reposted"" the same meme, exactly the same amount of times as myself. x

So chill Winston.

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: UKTruth

2 places hardly count as everywhere. LoL

Point of fact, you ""reposted"" the same meme, exactly the same amount of times as myself. x

So chill Winston.

How about you answer the question?
A referendum every 2 years, yes?
After all, it's not democracy if we can't change our minds, right? Right?

a reply to: UKTruth

It's not a democracy.........per-say.

No matter which way any side attempt to spell it.

Which is part of the problem, and the reason we have all been allowed to swallow "There" bull crap for the last 3 odd years.

Brexit has been about as democratic as the EU are fully functional.

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: UKTruth

It's not a democracy.........per-say.

No matter which way any side attempt to spell it.

Which is part of the problem, and the reason we have all been allowed to swallow "There" bull crap for the last 3 odd years.

Brexit has been about as democratic as the EU are fully functional.

You didn't answer the question.
You have pushed the propaganda that we should have a 2nd Referendum (because people change their minds) or else we don't have a democracy.
So you should therefore be for a 3rd, 4th, 5th, nth vote just in case we change our minds again - correct?

a reply to: UKTruth

No. Just change your minds enough to appease the Masters in Brussels.

That’ll suffice.

a reply to: UKTruth

Me and a million, probably 4 million others, and then some.

What's the bet a second referendum or general election is on the cards?

Ile stick a wee £10 spot on it the now.

You can lay the odds.

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: UKTruth

Me and a million, probably 4 million others, and then some.

What's the bet a second referendum or general election is on the cards?

Ile stick a wee £10 spot on it the now.

You can lay the odds.

Why won't you answer the question?
If your logic is that people must be able to change their minds or we have no democracy - hence we should have a 2nd vote - why not a 3rd and more every time we change our minds?

I think you understand the folly of your argument.
The referendum was a once in a generation decision - a rare case for a referendum. It's nothing like an election cycle.
We simply can not do it again - if we do then there is simply no point in ever having any kind of referendum.
I would have more sympathy with an argument that we should ignore the referendum result - even though I would disagree.
But the idea of a 2nd referendum is just pure nonsense - precisely because it opens up a 3rd, 4th, 5th and on and on. How could you, for example, possibly deny a 3rd referendum if the 2nd produced a vote to remain?

a reply to: UKTruth

My inquisitive nature simply wonders, if you are so sure of the will of the people, then why worry as to a second referendum?

Would not such reinforce your madcap nonsensical Brexit debacle?

Could it not be exactly the reassurance you are looking for?

Possibly what we all are looking for?

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: UKTruth

My inquisitive nature simply wonders, if you are so sure of the will of the people, then why worry as to a second referendum?

Would not such reinforce your madcap nonsensical Brexit debacle?

Could it not be exactly the reassurance you are looking for?

Possibly what we all are looking for?

I am sure about the will of the people because there was an actual vote, remember?
Right now have enough people changed their minds to get a remain outcome? Who knows? Will people think the same in another year or two?
How many times do you want to vote?

Fella - we had the vote. We voted to leave. Get over it.

a reply to: UKTruth

I remember my own nation rejecting Brexit.

We will know if and when we have a second referendum.

Tell me how it can hurt if you are so sure its the will of the people?

EU precedent for such has already been set, why not reaffirm the will of the people and put an end to any uncertainty of which there is plenty?

We were lied to and had a very close vote.

We are not even close to being over it, and if we are we should simply decern such by way of another referendum.

See if you want my honest opinion, i think the entire rest of the UK, should step the feck back, and leave old London town and Westminster to there own affairs.

If Brexit is the will of the people lets get rid of all the tyrants, and not simply supplant them with others!

a reply to: UKTruth

Again, £10 on it well!

That there will indeed be another referendum or a general election before any hard Brexit occurs.

You lay the odds.

If you're so sure like, i pay my debts....to people anyways. LoL

Bitcoin, whichever denomination you like.

I'm smashed but a ten spots a ten spot.

Call it a friendly wager.

I am tired of people saying 'Give us Brexit now'. I am tired of people saying 'It's the will of the people!'
No. That was the 'will of the people' almost three years ago after one of the most bungled referendums in history, with the Remain campaign led by an blithering set of morons in the form of David Cameron and George Osborne, and the Leave campaign fiddling their finances.
Since then we have seen the Government of Theresa May screw things up to a ridiculous extent. The negotiations to get us out of the EU have been bungled to the point where I am concerned that May is mentally deficient. She has convinced herself that only she is correct.
She is wrong. We need a new vote, based on actual facts and not 'Project Fear'. We need a vote based on facts and on what will happen to the economy of this country if we crash out without a deal.
Let the people speak again. We need a new vote.

a reply to: AngryCymraeg

Nah.

Good job of jamming many of the remainers taking points into a couple of paragraphs though.

We voted. The majority voted to leave the EU. We knew there was a 2yr leaving period after article 50 was triggered.

Let's honour the People's Vote of June 2016.
There's a good chap.

originally posted by: StrangeQuark96

originally posted by: MyToxicTash
a reply to: annoyedpharmacist

If they manage to reverse it I will be rioting with everyone else.
Doesn't matter what you voted for if they go against it we riot.

Yeah same.

The Brexit referendum was on 23 June 2016 apparently. It doesn't feel like it's been that long but I guess it has. The government has also had this long to sort it all out! 2+ Years!

We haven't even the left the EU yet and Remainer-Terrorists are threatening to reverse the entire process before a new and better system have even been tried and implemented.

Grow a backbone and believe in your country you Remainer bastards! so scared but nothing has even happened yet! cry me a river.

That's quite a pathetic post isn't it? Were you old enough to vote at the time of the referendum?

I voted remain, I think it was the most sensible position and I ignored the lies from the leave campaign. The vote went the other way by almost the slimmest of margins but that's how it goes, that makes me neither a terrorist or a bastard.

I don't think a second vote would be the best option, but if there was one, those who believed Boris's BS on a bus the first time around might think again.

a reply to: AngryCymraeg

I am tired of people saying 'Give us Brexit now'.

Why?
That is what 17.4million people voted for in a straight forward In/Out referendum with absolutely no mention whatsoever of a Deal or No Deal scenario.

I am tired of people saying 'It's the will of the people!'

But it was the result of a democratically held referendum.

Since then we have seen the Government of Theresa May screw things up to a ridiculous extent.

Theresa May has been grossly incompetent.
This has been exacerbated by almost every single politician in parliament, from all political parties, who have been more interested in playing party politics and pursuing their own interests rather than enacting the result of the referendum.
The Brexit farce has quite clearly shown that our current party political system is no longer fit for purpose and needs radical overhaul and reform.
We've had an Opposition who have had no alternative policy or strategy at all and have been nothing but divisive in their approach to Brexit.

60% of constituencies voted to leave the EU.
80% of MP's are Remainers.

With hindsight it's obvious there was going to be a conflict of interests.

The negotiations to get us out of the EU have been bungled to the point where I am concerned that May is mentally deficient.

First of all; Cameron should be strung up for walking away like he did.
Secondly; May was criminally negligent in her approach to EU negotiations and handed the EU the upper hand from day one.

Her handling of things in parliament have been laughable and have helped make this country a laughing stock in the eye's of the rest of the world.

She has convinced herself that only she is correct.
She is wrong.

Her deal is the worst of both worlds.

We need a new vote, based on actual facts and not 'Project Fear'. We need a vote based on facts and on what will happen to the economy of this country if we crash out without a deal.

But it's Project Fear that is driving the nightmare narrative.

How can any second referendum have any validity when the result of the first referendum will be so casually dismissed?
It simply undermines the credibility of any referendums.

And if we have a second referendum and it goes with a slight majority to Remain, why would that have any more credibility than the first?
What would you say to the large number of Brexit supporters who would want a third and deciding referendum?
How would you placate those Brexiteers?
Would you expect the anti-EU supporters to respect the 'will of the people' and unite - totally unlike large numbers of Remainers have do so?

A second referendum would open up a whole new can of worms and would only serve to fracture this country even more.

Let the people speak again. We need a new vote.

If, and its a massive if, there was to be a second vote the only options should be;
1. Parliament recommended Deal.
2. No Deal.

Remain CAN NOT be an option.