Mueller sends report on Trump investigation to AG Barr

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: BrianFlanders
Trump is not going to be impeached. What would be the point? He's not going to be reelected. If he gets impeached, that would leave Pence in charge. That's the last thing the Democrats want. A competent opponent who would be much harder to vilify than Trump and generally seems like an OK guy.

Trump is a great asset to the Democrats if they want to energize their base by pointing out how utterly unlikable this man is. How are they going to get their base to hate Pence with the same energy as they clearly do Trump?

Nope. They can use this kind of hatred and they're not gonna waste it by trying to impeach Trump in the last year of his presidency. That would be sheer stupidity. The only thing that might change that game would be if RBG is forced into retirement before the election but my guess is they'd stall the next confirmation by some other means. And besides. It's not like Pence would nominate someone more moderate than Trump would. They'd be facing exactly the same scenario. There's no advantage here for them to impeach Trump.

So what you are saying is Trump can't possibly win in 2020, right?

Oh, anything can happen. I am saying that it's unlikely that Trump will be reelected. I think the Democrats should be able to sense that better than I can. But also, I'm saying that even if he is reelected, it's gravy for the Democrats because Trump is the best thing that's ever happened to them next to GWB. On one end of the spectrum, you have Reagan, who was the worst thing that ever happened to the Democrats. On the other, you have people like GWB and Trump. If you can take either one of these clowns and hold them up as the definitive example of what a conservative is, you just won the propaganda war for "the hearts and minds" of young people. And that's who the Democrats are after. That's what you want if you want to win elections. You want to win the young people. They are the future.

Trump is the perfect villain for the Democrats. That is all I'm saying. If they impeach Trump and get rid of him, they have to find a way to build Pence up to be as bad as Trump. I don't think they can do that and I think they know it. Pence doesn't have the super-villain thing going on. Even though he may well be a Republican, he's not the kind of Republican the Democrats want to run against. What's the worst thing a liberal can say about Pence? That he was Trump's VP. There you go. That's why they don't want Pence. Pence is more like a Gerald Ford type of Republican. They can probably beat him but he's an unknown quantity in an election and that's dangerous.

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: Assassin82
Trump has got to take this opportunity, when the time is right, to handle this with humble sincerity and try to win over anyone who was on the fence about it or anyone that will accept the results of the investigation. He cannot...act like a petulant child who just got vindicated for something he didn’t do and go running in front of the cameras screaming “nanny nanny boo-boo”. He cannot hop in twitter and lob insults to everyone. Be a professional....for the love of God for once in your presidency...be dignified in your response. All the Trump fan boys are going to celebrate in the outcome of this and much of how they celebrate will mimic how Trump responds to it.

Beyond that...good. I’m glad it’s over. I have no doubt the left will cry foul try to dig deeper. The Russians have been undermining our social interactions for too long with their scheming bots and election meddling. I hope we can ALL learn from this. Social media is not reality. Online commenters are typically trolls or bots. The real world is where true communication exists.

No, I think he needs to handle it but underlining exactly what it was - part of a coup attempt - and use it to launch investigations into the real scandal, the use of the Doj and FBI, in collusion with Democrats and at the direction (or knowledge) or Obama to try and undo a valid election for the Presidency.

There will be time for reflection once justice has been applied equally.

If it can be proven that this was an attempted coup...then yes, that should be investigated thoroughly. But does Trump have the political backing to go after the Dems? Does he have the time before the elections for the investigation to completely exonerate him? And will the alphabet agencies allow an investigation to justly transpire without running interference in the name of “national security”? Those things I doubt.

In the meantime...I think it would do Trump wonders if he handled this with some dignity and respect. I’m all for a counter investigation but it can be done tactfully....be the bigger and better person. The left will likely lose their $##+ depending on the results of the Mueller investigation.

Interestingly, I’m already seeing a lot of people saying that the mueller investigation isn’t the real prize...but the state of New York that’s really gonna go after Trump. Guessing they’ve already started to dismiss Mueller and have found a new avenue to march down.

a reply to: Assassin82

If Mueller did his job properly then the investigations into the corruption of the democrats and Obama's administration should be mostly done.

a reply to: Assassin82

Of course people are saying that the SC was not the real 'prize'. There will always be another unicorn to hunt for and willing fools to take up the hunt.

Trump doesn't need to exonorate himself in this scandal anymore - all that is left is to go after those that were part of the failed coup attempt.

The SDNY can pontificate all they like - they have no power to indict the President and the Senate is not going to impeach him even if there some finincial irregularity in Trump's past prior to him taking office..

originally posted by: BrianFlanders

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: BrianFlanders
Trump is not going to be impeached. What would be the point? He's not going to be reelected. If he gets impeached, that would leave Pence in charge. That's the last thing the Democrats want. A competent opponent who would be much harder to vilify than Trump and generally seems like an OK guy.

Trump is a great asset to the Democrats if they want to energize their base by pointing out how utterly unlikable this man is. How are they going to get their base to hate Pence with the same energy as they clearly do Trump?

Nope. They can use this kind of hatred and they're not gonna waste it by trying to impeach Trump in the last year of his presidency. That would be sheer stupidity. The only thing that might change that game would be if RBG is forced into retirement before the election but my guess is they'd stall the next confirmation by some other means. And besides. It's not like Pence would nominate someone more moderate than Trump would. They'd be facing exactly the same scenario. There's no advantage here for them to impeach Trump.

So what you are saying is Trump can't possibly win in 2020, right?

Oh, anything can happen. I am saying that it's unlikely that Trump will be reelected. I think the Democrats should be able to sense that better than I can. But also, I'm saying that even if he is reelected, it's gravy for the Democrats because Trump is the best thing that's ever happened to them next to GWB. On one end of the spectrum, you have Reagan, who was the worst thing that ever happened to the Democrats. On the other, you have people like GWB and Trump. If you can take either one of these clowns and hold them up as the definitive example of what a conservative is, you just won the propaganda war for "the hearts and minds" of young people. And that's who the Democrats are after. That's what you want if you want to win elections. You want to win the young people. They are the future.

Trump is the perfect villain for the Democrats. That is all I'm saying. If they impeach Trump and get rid of him, they have to find a way to build Pence up to be as bad as Trump. I don't think they can do that and I think they know it. Pence doesn't have the super-villain thing going on. Even though he may well be a Republican, he's not the kind of Republican the Democrats want to run against. What's the worst thing a liberal can say about Pence? That he was Trump's VP. There you go. That's why they don't want Pence. Pence is more like a Gerald Ford type of Republican. They can probably beat him but he's an unknown quantity in an election and that's dangerous.

Are you sure it's unlikely? Trump's favourability ratings are much higher now than they were when he won the election (even before yesterdays news). All the propaganda over the last 2 years has not even made a small dent in his base - it's been the opposite.

I too think it is unlikely he will be re-elected - but not for any reasons relating to how a fair vote would go. I think next time around the cheating will be at epic levels. The preparations for that have already started - like allowing 1m felons to vote in Florida for the first time...

originally posted by: Assassin82

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: Assassin82
Trump has got to take this opportunity, when the time is right, to handle this with humble sincerity and try to win over anyone who was on the fence about it or anyone that will accept the results of the investigation. He cannot...act like a petulant child who just got vindicated for something he didn’t do and go running in front of the cameras screaming “nanny nanny boo-boo”. He cannot hop in twitter and lob insults to everyone. Be a professional....for the love of God for once in your presidency...be dignified in your response. All the Trump fan boys are going to celebrate in the outcome of this and much of how they celebrate will mimic how Trump responds to it.

Beyond that...good. I’m glad it’s over. I have no doubt the left will cry foul try to dig deeper. The Russians have been undermining our social interactions for too long with their scheming bots and election meddling. I hope we can ALL learn from this. Social media is not reality. Online commenters are typically trolls or bots. The real world is where true communication exists.

No, I think he needs to handle it but underlining exactly what it was - part of a coup attempt - and use it to launch investigations into the real scandal, the use of the Doj and FBI, in collusion with Democrats and at the direction (or knowledge) or Obama to try and undo a valid election for the Presidency.

There will be time for reflection once justice has been applied equally.

If it can be proven that this was an attempted coup...then yes, that should be investigated thoroughly. But does Trump have the political backing to go after the Dems? Does he have the time before the elections for the investigation to completely exonerate him? And will the alphabet agencies allow an investigation to justly transpire without running interference in the name of “national security”? Those things I doubt.

In the meantime...I think it would do Trump wonders if he handled this with some dignity and respect. I’m all for a counter investigation but it can be done tactfully....be the bigger and better person. The left will likely lose their $##+ depending on the results of the Mueller investigation.

Interestingly, I’m already seeing a lot of people saying that the mueller investigation isn’t the real prize...but the state of New York that’s really gonna go after Trump. Guessing they’ve already started to dismiss Mueller and have found a new avenue to march down.

LOL he really is the Teflon Don LOL. They the left are going to continue on till they can get somebody to say that he did this or he did that

originally posted by: putnam6

originally posted by: Assassin82

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: Assassin82
Trump has got to take this opportunity, when the time is right, to handle this with humble sincerity and try to win over anyone who was on the fence about it or anyone that will accept the results of the investigation. He cannot...act like a petulant child who just got vindicated for something he didn’t do and go running in front of the cameras screaming “nanny nanny boo-boo”. He cannot hop in twitter and lob insults to everyone. Be a professional....for the love of God for once in your presidency...be dignified in your response. All the Trump fan boys are going to celebrate in the outcome of this and much of how they celebrate will mimic how Trump responds to it.

Beyond that...good. I’m glad it’s over. I have no doubt the left will cry foul try to dig deeper. The Russians have been undermining our social interactions for too long with their scheming bots and election meddling. I hope we can ALL learn from this. Social media is not reality. Online commenters are typically trolls or bots. The real world is where true communication exists.

No, I think he needs to handle it but underlining exactly what it was - part of a coup attempt - and use it to launch investigations into the real scandal, the use of the Doj and FBI, in collusion with Democrats and at the direction (or knowledge) or Obama to try and undo a valid election for the Presidency.

There will be time for reflection once justice has been applied equally.

If it can be proven that this was an attempted coup...then yes, that should be investigated thoroughly. But does Trump have the political backing to go after the Dems? Does he have the time before the elections for the investigation to completely exonerate him? And will the alphabet agencies allow an investigation to justly transpire without running interference in the name of “national security”? Those things I doubt.

In the meantime...I think it would do Trump wonders if he handled this with some dignity and respect. I’m all for a counter investigation but it can be done tactfully....be the bigger and better person. The left will likely lose their $##+ depending on the results of the Mueller investigation.

Interestingly, I’m already seeing a lot of people saying that the mueller investigation isn’t the real prize...but the state of New York that’s really gonna go after Trump. Guessing they’ve already started to dismiss Mueller and have found a new avenue to march down.

LOL he really is the Teflon Don LOL. They the left are going to continue on till they can get somebody to say that he did this or he did that

They will try - endlessly - even after 2 years of failure and humiliation.

originally posted by: Ksihkehe

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: watchitburn

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Gothmog

originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: Grambler

The thread title is misleading because the implication could be drawn that the investigation was into Trump personally.

The investigation was into Russian interference in the 2016 elections.

Uh , no
Just no
It was about the left's TDS in that the Trump campaign colluded with the Russians .
That was the official statement by Mueller. At the start.
Where do you get your information ?

From his brief appointing him as Special Counsel.

As near as I can tell, the first use of the word "collusion" in regard to Mueller's investigation was Trump/Guiliani in a Tweet on February 16 2018.

As far as I have been able to determine, Mueller has not used the word "collusion" or "collude" once in regard to his investigations.

Of course, if there was no investigation into collusion, then there would be findings in that regard. Since the investigation wasn't into collusion, it is unlikely that there will be a finding of collusion.

You didn't try very hard. Took me less than 2 minutes...

Clinton campaign chief: Did Trump, Russians collude?

December 18th 2016

That wasn't Mueller.

Mueller wasn't investigating into 'collusion' because he is a judge and knows that such a thing isn't even a federal offense.

He was a judge?

What alternate reality are you communicating with us from?

It wasn't people on the right saying collusion is a crime. It was the morons in the media and DNC circles that we're saying it.

You are right and I was wrong. Mueller is an attorney but not a judge.

However, Trump sent this Tweet back in 2018.

a reply to: Assassin82

You are right, humble sincerity would be a good sight. But with history and still open questions regarding the origins of the investigation itself, I don't think it will happen.
If Trump still continues calling people out, then it is to signal that we should not just let everything slide under the rug just because the report is in and no further indictments are suggested or whatever the exact wording was.
We should, as Americans, be fired even more up, most of us knew there was nothing there. We now need answers about why there was a special council brought in the first place. How was information fabricated, withheld, mishandled, and misrepresented to "justify" the most powerful investigation we can imagine. And then that investigation found nothing we're being told???

And as you can see, the left has doubled down, multiple MSM heads and politicians have already started spewing excuses. We have heard, oh Mueller just couldn't find anything of solid proof but it was there. We will keep investigating more of Trump's life, because there has to be something. Mueller was compromised, etc etc, blah blah.

So tell me peeps why the left should be spared from the "I told you sos"?

Personally I am honestly concerned for the brainwashed that I have read stating they cannot stop shaking, as a result of hearing the news that Mueller had concluded the investigation. Hoping with all their being that something, anything caaaan take down Trump. That is scary, and I feel bad that people can be so gullible and poisoned by the left and their pathetic MSM bullhorns.

a reply to: Grambler

Has he been indicted yet? Isn't Jr and Kushner in jail already? Russian mob? You have to give me something!

No Barr Report Soon, LOL..

twitter.com...

String 'em along Mr. Attorney General!

By Monday morning, the MSM talking heads will be reduced to incoherent babbling.

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: BrianFlanders

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: BrianFlanders
Trump is not going to be impeached. What would be the point? He's not going to be reelected. If he gets impeached, that would leave Pence in charge. That's the last thing the Democrats want. A competent opponent who would be much harder to vilify than Trump and generally seems like an OK guy.

Trump is a great asset to the Democrats if they want to energize their base by pointing out how utterly unlikable this man is. How are they going to get their base to hate Pence with the same energy as they clearly do Trump?

Nope. They can use this kind of hatred and they're not gonna waste it by trying to impeach Trump in the last year of his presidency. That would be sheer stupidity. The only thing that might change that game would be if RBG is forced into retirement before the election but my guess is they'd stall the next confirmation by some other means. And besides. It's not like Pence would nominate someone more moderate than Trump would. They'd be facing exactly the same scenario. There's no advantage here for them to impeach Trump.

So what you are saying is Trump can't possibly win in 2020, right?

Oh, anything can happen. I am saying that it's unlikely that Trump will be reelected. I think the Democrats should be able to sense that better than I can. But also, I'm saying that even if he is reelected, it's gravy for the Democrats because Trump is the best thing that's ever happened to them next to GWB. On one end of the spectrum, you have Reagan, who was the worst thing that ever happened to the Democrats. On the other, you have people like GWB and Trump. If you can take either one of these clowns and hold them up as the definitive example of what a conservative is, you just won the propaganda war for "the hearts and minds" of young people. And that's who the Democrats are after. That's what you want if you want to win elections. You want to win the young people. They are the future.

Trump is the perfect villain for the Democrats. That is all I'm saying. If they impeach Trump and get rid of him, they have to find a way to build Pence up to be as bad as Trump. I don't think they can do that and I think they know it. Pence doesn't have the super-villain thing going on. Even though he may well be a Republican, he's not the kind of Republican the Democrats want to run against. What's the worst thing a liberal can say about Pence? That he was Trump's VP. There you go. That's why they don't want Pence. Pence is more like a Gerald Ford type of Republican. They can probably beat him but he's an unknown quantity in an election and that's dangerous.

Are you sure it's unlikely? Trump's favourability ratings are much higher now than they were when he won the election (even before yesterdays news). All the propaganda over the last 2 years has not even made a small dent in his base - it's been the opposite.

Trump's victory wasn't due to his favorability rating. He won because people were sick of Obama and the way things were going. The Democrats haven't done themselves any favors but if anyone had any doubts that this man is a moron, Trump himself has cleared that up.

If they can put someone with a heartbeat up against him, he should lose.

a reply to: BrianFlanders

Which guy with a heartbeat are you betting on winning? The guy that went to a porno with his mom, the guy that wrote about rape fantasies, the guy that wrote about driving over children, the guy who refuses to acknowledge the homeless crisis in his state but is willing to drop a billion dollars on some dolphins, the gal literally slept her way to the top, the gal who thinks that folk tales mean more then facts, the guy who thinks rape is "OK" as long as the other person is drunk, the gal that believe that only a race war will save us all, the....I think you get the idea. The DNC has actually put up a bunch of losers to run as their Presidential Candidate for the 2020 election cycle, and I mean actual losers, some of these people didn't get elected during their last campaigns.

Even if the DNC could find a "perfect" candidate, they've become so tainted that any serious candidate would rather run as a member of a third party than be attached to the mess that the DNC has become (see Schultz). The DNC has become so infested with Trotskyists that it either needs serious rebranding, or should shut their doors and let their members form new parties that better reflect their needs.


It will be interesting to see what is in this report, and how many Democrats will still demand that the whole thing be revealed to the public after they read what's in it. By the way certain people are already reacting to the report, you would believe that Mueller's report has no real advantage for them to go after Trump so now they are off to their next scream fest of whateverism to claim impeachment.

a reply to: BrianFlanders

It's amazing how the New York Times changed tone on Donald Trump, after he won the Presidency..

Check this out from October 31, 2016.

WASHINGTON — For much of the summer, the F.B.I. pursued a widening investigation into a Russian role in the American presidential campaign. Agents scrutinized advisers close to Donald J. Trump, looked for financial connections with Russian financial figures, searched for those involved in hacking the computers of Democrats, and even chased a lead — which they ultimately came to doubt — about a possible secret channel of email communication from the Trump Organization to a Russian bank.

Law enforcement officials say that none of the investigations so far have found any conclusive or direct link between Mr. Trump and the Russian government. And even the hacking into Democratic emails, F.B.I. and intelligence officials now believe, was aimed at disrupting the presidential election rather than electing Mr. Trump.

Source: www.nytimes.com...

When reading this, you have to wonder, WHY was a SPECIAL COUNSEL named in May 2017 to investigate Trump-Russia collusion, if the FBI had concluded 7 months prior, that there was none?

originally posted by: watchitburn
a reply to: Assassin82

If Mueller did his job properly then the investigations into the corruption of the democrats and Obama's administration should be mostly done.

Of Course . And Don't Forget the Dead Guys Roll in All this . Up the Cahoots with Obama and the Deep State ......

originally posted by: BrianFlanders

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: BrianFlanders

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: BrianFlanders
Trump is not going to be impeached. What would be the point? He's not going to be reelected. If he gets impeached, that would leave Pence in charge. That's the last thing the Democrats want. A competent opponent who would be much harder to vilify than Trump and generally seems like an OK guy.

Trump is a great asset to the Democrats if they want to energize their base by pointing out how utterly unlikable this man is. How are they going to get their base to hate Pence with the same energy as they clearly do Trump?

Nope. They can use this kind of hatred and they're not gonna waste it by trying to impeach Trump in the last year of his presidency. That would be sheer stupidity. The only thing that might change that game would be if RBG is forced into retirement before the election but my guess is they'd stall the next confirmation by some other means. And besides. It's not like Pence would nominate someone more moderate than Trump would. They'd be facing exactly the same scenario. There's no advantage here for them to impeach Trump.

So what you are saying is Trump can't possibly win in 2020, right?

Oh, anything can happen. I am saying that it's unlikely that Trump will be reelected. I think the Democrats should be able to sense that better than I can. But also, I'm saying that even if he is reelected, it's gravy for the Democrats because Trump is the best thing that's ever happened to them next to GWB. On one end of the spectrum, you have Reagan, who was the worst thing that ever happened to the Democrats. On the other, you have people like GWB and Trump. If you can take either one of these clowns and hold them up as the definitive example of what a conservative is, you just won the propaganda war for "the hearts and minds" of young people. And that's who the Democrats are after. That's what you want if you want to win elections. You want to win the young people. They are the future.

Trump is the perfect villain for the Democrats. That is all I'm saying. If they impeach Trump and get rid of him, they have to find a way to build Pence up to be as bad as Trump. I don't think they can do that and I think they know it. Pence doesn't have the super-villain thing going on. Even though he may well be a Republican, he's not the kind of Republican the Democrats want to run against. What's the worst thing a liberal can say about Pence? That he was Trump's VP. There you go. That's why they don't want Pence. Pence is more like a Gerald Ford type of Republican. They can probably beat him but he's an unknown quantity in an election and that's dangerous.

Are you sure it's unlikely? Trump's favourability ratings are much higher now than they were when he won the election (even before yesterdays news). All the propaganda over the last 2 years has not even made a small dent in his base - it's been the opposite.

Trump's victory wasn't due to his favorability rating. He won because people were sick of Obama and the way things were going. The Democrats haven't done themselves any favors but if anyone had any doubts that this man is a moron, Trump himself has cleared that up.

If they can put someone with a heartbeat up against him, he should lose.

I don't know why you felt the need to quote me before writing this, as it has little to nothing to do with what I wrote. I am not a liberal. I'm just not a Trump fan. What I wrote is just my objective assessment of the situation as it really is. If he runs, he will probably lose. If he gets impeached, the Democrats are going to have to work very hard to get their base as fired up as they are now.

Frankly, all I'm saying is the Republicans would be far better off right now if Mike Pence was the president instead of Trump. Mike Pence is actually intelligent, competent and not a crazy blabbermouth idiot. It's amazing Trump even had the sense to choose Pence.

Just Trump being Trump is hurting the Republicans more than anything in the last 60 years ever has. He's worse for them than Nixon was. Even if he doesn't have a Nixon nose.

a reply to: BrianFlanders

Why are you quoting yourself?

a reply to: BrianFlanders

You are off target.
Americans love winners.
Trump beat hillary.
Trump beat the left by keeping the senate at midterms.
Now he has beaten the deep state bs russia investigation.
The country will get behind the wrongly accused who get acquitted.
Ask oj.

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: Pyle

originally posted by: UKTruth
a reply to: Pyle

"Other DoJ groups"?

Eastern district of Virginia
Southern district of New York
Counter intelligence
Etc.

Mueller has not been prosecuting everything he has found. His team seems to be going after people that lied to him or congress or foreign entities and handing off everything else. Which is why it will be interesting to see if the report documents all of those handoffs.

Ok, but that has nothing to do with Trump or his campaign Conspiring with Russia.
The Russian collusion angle is dead. I very much doubt Barr will be progressing any other investigation, unless Clinton is the target.

For those that pushed the Russian collusion lie, it's time to take a step back, I'd say.

You dont know that none of the spun off investigations have to do with Russian collusion. We still have a mystery criminal investigation that was completely redacted from the Flynn sentencing. Wait for the report before you make definitive statements like that.

originally posted by: Pyle

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: Pyle

originally posted by: UKTruth
a reply to: Pyle

"Other DoJ groups"?

Eastern district of Virginia
Southern district of New York
Counter intelligence
Etc.

Mueller has not been prosecuting everything he has found. His team seems to be going after people that lied to him or congress or foreign entities and handing off everything else. Which is why it will be interesting to see if the report documents all of those handoffs.

Ok, but that has nothing to do with Trump or his campaign Conspiring with Russia.
The Russian collusion angle is dead. I very much doubt Barr will be progressing any other investigation, unless Clinton is the target.

For those that pushed the Russian collusion lie, it's time to take a step back, I'd say.

You dont know that none of the spun off investigations have to do with Russian collusion. We still have a mystery criminal investigation that was completely redacted from the Flynn sentencing. Wait for the report before you make definitive statements like that.

So the SC tasked with investigating Russian collusion spun off some collusion investigations to a different investigation?
Cool story.