Enjoy These Finnish People Politely Going After Nikki Haley for Saying...

...they hate good healthcare.

So, to summarize the article, Nikki Haley, Former U.S. Ambassador to the UN, 116th Governor of South Carolina, sent out this tweet...

Alright @BernieSanders, you’re not the woman having the baby so I wouldn’t be out there talking about skimping on a woman when it comes to childbirth. Trust me! Nice try though. t.co...— Nikki Haley (@NikkiHaley) March 20, 2019

...in response to this tweet from Bernie Sanders...

In the United States it costs, on average, $12,000 to have a baby.In Finland it costs $60.We've got to end the disgrace of our profit-driven health care system and pass Medicare for all.— Bernie Sanders (@BernieSanders) March 6, 2019

...then hastened to add this...

Health care costs are too high that is true but comparing us to Finland is ridiculous. Ask them how their health care is. You won’t like their answer.— Nikki Haley (@NikkiHaley) March 20, 2019

"Ask them how their health care is. You won't like their answer."



And so Finlandians, rising to the occasion, offered THEIR answers...a few of which I will share here just for fun!

It's awesome thanks for asking! Expecting my third child and once again enjoying free prenatal care. Looking forward to giving birth. I can get a natural birth in a tub, epidural, c-section or anything else for the same 30-60€.— Emilia Huttunen (@IidaJosefina) March 21, 2019

Our daughter was born 2 months permaturely, spent 3 weeks in intensive care and my wife was hospitalised for two weeks. Cost something like couple of hundred euros...I feel sorry for all the not rich people in the US.— oksenteleva lari 🇪🇺🇫🇮 (@VSaarenketo) March 21, 2019

My heart surgery in Finland cost 60€. When my son was born, I had to be in the hospital for three weeks. It didn´t cost me anything. Because of my high risk pregnancy, I was checked by a doctor once a week. For free.— Sari Europaeus (@Sarggu) March 21, 2019

Due to a congetical heart defect I need a pacemaker to live. In the US the cost for the device and surgery is usually between 20 000 and 70 00 dollars. I paid 60€. I’ve had to have 5 now so in the US that could be over 350 000. I owe my life to Finnish healthcare.— just Mari (@balderdashred) March 21, 2019

😂 the system is great. If you get injured, you are treated in a world-class hospital. Cancer treatment results rank among the best in the world and won’t drive you bankruptcy. And by the way, I’m an MD PhD and paid 0€ for my university studies. Thanks for asking, we’re fine.— Taija Lahtinen (@TaijaLahtinen) March 21, 2019

And some random American had to interject with our clearly superior capitalist system for those simple Finlandians...

I took my wife to the ER for severe abdominal pain and vomiting. We were there for 4 hours during the day, most of it waiting around. The bill was $11,600.— Marc Meyers (@marc_meyers) March 21, 2019

Seems the stench of ignorance stays with you even when you leave the Swamp!

Our healthcare system is definitely too expensive.

But Finland isn't paying free healthcare for 30 some million illegals either.

a reply to: ErEhWoN

You are correct that the US healthcare system is rife with cost corruption and abuse. This is due to many factors as we have talked about before. For one, insurance collusion and price fixing with hospitals and pharmacuitical companies, the AMA artificially limiting doctors, and 3rd and most important insurance collusion with government price fixing for medicare and medicade.

Do you know how much some many places charge for an ultrasound or catscan? Thousands, sometimes up to 9K because they have "arrangements" with insurance companies, etc.

Do you know how much it is if you pay cash at many imaging places across the US? Let me show you.

www.covenanthealth.com...


I found an Open MRI business near me with almost identical prices that also took my insurance. Ultrasound cost me $16 bucks where the hospital the doctor referred me to wanted $500 bucks plus whatever they were going to charge my insurance company.

Thieves.

Here is the deal, Medicare for all will not work because the government administrators and regulators are corrupt. They will simply pay stupid high charges for services negotiated with the healthcare lobby.


www.abovetopsecret.com...

a reply to: watchitburn

Exactly. This is a blind conversation between two extreme idiots... God forbid we have rational debates anymore. (That used to be a thing, kids)

a reply to: infolurker

They will simply pay stupid high charges for services negotiated with the healthcare lobby.

And what do conservatives in congress think of attempts at lobby reform....?

thehill.com...

The wide-ranging bill, H.R. 1, which also includes proposals for electoral reforms and more transparency over campaign finance in addition to the tougher rules for lobbyists, is a major priority for Democrats.

K Street is also finding support from outside conservative groups who oppose the bill. Heritage Action on Tuesday said they would also key-vote it, and Americans for Prosperity urged lawmakers to vote against it.

We are not on opposing sides in this, the conflict is vertical, not horizontal.

a reply to: ErEhWoN
Finns have to pay out of pocket for childbirth? That sucks.

a reply to: ErEhWoN

scandinavianinterlude.blogspot.com...

Up to 53% marginal tax rate plus a 24% Vat Tax (13% on foods) VAT (Value added Tax) similar to a state sales tax on crap you buy.

Want to fill up your gas tank on your car, it is about $8.50 per gallon in Finland.


tradingeconomics.com...

The Personal Income Tax Rate in Finland stands at 51.60 percent. Personal Income Tax Rate in Finland averaged 52.96 percent from 1995 until 2016, reaching an all time high of 62.20 percent in 1995 and a record low of 49.00 percent in 2010.



Just think about paying 52% income tax plus a 24% sales tax and $8.50 a gallon for gasoline!

Of course healthcare has to be next to nothing, nobody has money left in their pockets!

www.numbeo.com...

a reply to: ErEhWoN

I have always been lucky and healthy so I was not all that smart when it came to the American health industry.. Then my wife got cancer which she died from within two years. Every test, every treatment they could come up with, and the final bill among many was $265,000... I had great insurance which told them to stick it and ended up settling for $90,000.. That was one reason I moved out of the states.. I now get my teeth cleaned for $20, pay $6 for a Doctor visit and even stayed 5 days at hospital (private room I.V.s and everything) for around $400.. I could have stayed at the government hospital for about 10% of that cost.. X-rays ($20), Cat scans ($250), MRIs less than that... all first class at a for profit hospital..

I have friends who have had hip replacements and Pacemakers for less than 25% of what it would have cost in the states..

America is the absolute last place I would ever go for anything health related unless I had no choice.

originally posted by: JohnnyCanuck
a reply to: ErEhWoN
Finns have to pay out of pocket for childbirth? That sucks.

Bet they dont have to pay for everyone's though

You get what you pay for and I would rather not take risks with my health. While there is room to improve the costs for healthcare in the United States, i am not eager to have government in charge of anything because they suck at managing everything and I don’t want them in charge of my healthcare choices.

a reply to: Metallicus

They think that if we elect “the socialists” then the government will decide if you get healthcare or not. They think if they get old and get sick, the government will be judge and jury on if they’re sick enough to get treatment. They don’t understand that everyone gets health care under this system no matter what. They honestly, truly believe that private health is better for them due to a 3rd party deciding what you need. I am not joking.

From one of the posts in the article...

We pay the most, get the least in return. I dont want some company whose main purpose is PROFIT to be in charge of ANYTHING. Let alone my health choices.

You can vote out a politician. Not an insurance company.

originally posted by: watchitburn
Our healthcare system is definitely too expensive.

But Finland isn't paying free healthcare for 30 some million illegals either.

So the ridiculous corrupt system was created due to illegals?

The wide-ranging bill, H.R. 1, which also includes proposals for electoral reforms and more transparency over campaign finance in addition to the tougher rules for lobbyists, is a major priority for Democrats.

This bill is about the electoral college. The words "rules for lobbyists" are just the add-on verbiage dems threw in to give them a talking point that doesn't make people want to hit them in the face with a shovel.

I learned a long time ago to ask how much a procedure costs before I tell them about my insurance. If they refuse to give me a price without knowing who my insurance carrier is with I tell them I don't have any. Its often cheaper than using my insurance, which is a great policy by most standards.

a reply to: infolurker

A friend of mine had something removed from her hand last week, and it had to be done by a surgeon. Before the surgery, she got the pre-bill and it was over $7,000. (That's what she would owe AFTER her health insurance paid what they would pay) She did some detective work and got the bill itemized (it wasnt), and discovered that almost all of that cost was the fee of the "surgery center" where the procedure would be done.

So she called the surgeon and asked why it had to be done at the surgery center, and not in his office, since it was a minor procedure? He replied "Oh, I guess it could be done in my office, sure!"

So they did that, and it dropped her cost to $200.

How much does that type of thing go on??? I'm gonna guess the vast majority of us are getting screwed because we just assume that the cost they tell us is the last word. I find it disgusting that her bill wasn't itemized and she had to make a ton of phone calls to get the bill broken down so she could see what exactly she was going to be paying for. I think that's intentional. I also find it disgusting that the surgeon didn't offer her the option of doing it in his office to begin with. 😡

a reply to: KansasGirl

You are correct. I have learned my lesson. Unless it is an emergency and I have no choice I will shop around and ask those questions.

If you just follow their instructions you will lose lots of money.

The cost of having a baby is outrageous here in America. But the mother and father do get a nice steak dinner from the hospital after the baby is born, the steak is not very good according to the daughter and her husband, but it is better than no steak. Now the bill here for the whole shemole, including the appointments after came to about eleven grand for the granddaughter, but of course, the insurance got it reduced and paid about seven grand. I could see about two grand, they can keep the steak dinner too. Hospital food is not very good at all.

My father´s cancer care cost nothing, as he lives smaller town in rural area he was given a choice to stay in University hospital´s apartments free of charge about 160km from his home or having a taxi to hospital and back to his home in those days he got treatment. My old father chose taxi which cost him 5 euros to one direction. His treatment took 3 months.

Swedish hospital in Uppsala sends their risk pregnancy cases to Finland, deliveries takes place in Åbo ( Turku) universital hospital.

My kid has Diabetes type 1, he has free insulin and free insulin pump, his pump is medtronic 670g ( full full retail price in US is approximately $8,000). He also has glucose sensoring system free of charge also all other stuff he needs to when taking care of his diabetes all free.

Nikki Haley has no idea how good finnish system is. Maybe she is among those ignorants who do not even know where Finland is.

a reply to: ErEhWoN

It's awesome thanks for asking! Expecting my third child and once again enjoying free prenatal care. Looking forward to giving birth. I can get a natural birth in a tub, epidural, c-section or anything else for the same 30-60€.— Emilia Huttunen (@IidaJosefina) March 21, 2019


I got news for you underachievers...Those Finnish doctors and nurses don't work for free...Somebody's payin' them some pretty good wages for delivering your kids... And it's a far site more than 60 Finnish dollars...

a reply to: infolurker

You need to think personal tax and VAT apart from each other. What those taxes you say are VAT based. You also have VAT and it raises your overall taxrate.You know you don´t pay 52% from your salary VAT is in products.