Australian PM denounces Erdogan for 'reckless' NZ attack comments

Erdogan is seemingly pushing to allocate and elicit a fight with Anglo Saxons of Australia and New Zealand for the wreckless crime of one of few Men for the shooting that happened recently killing 50 Muslims, by charging them with, being anti Muslims.

This is not only reckless of Erdogan but it's highly hypocritical of him as well. This Man wants a war, and he might just get it if he keeps attacking this head on.

Australian Prime Minister Scott Morrison on Wednesday condemned "reckless" and "highly offensive" comments made by Turkey's President Recep Tayyip Erdogan in the wake of the Christchurch massacre. Erdogan, while campaigning for local elections, presented the attack as part of an assault on Turkey and Islam and warned anti-Muslim Australians would be "sent back in coffins" like their grandfathers at Gallipoli - a blood-drenched WWI battle.

More than 8 000 Australians died fighting Turkish forces at Gallipoli, which has a prominent place in Australia's collective memory. "Remarks have been made by the Turkish President Erdogan that I consider highly offensive to Australians, and highly reckless in this very sensitive environment," Morrison said after summoning the Turkish ambassador and dismissing the "excuses" offered.

a reply to: Artemis12

Apparently; there was a practice drill going on the same time, thats how the calvary arrived so quick so what does that tell us?

a reply to: Artemis12

Erdogan, while campaigning for local elections, presented the attack as part of an assault on Turkey and Islam and warned anti-Muslim Australians would be "sent back in coffins" like their grandfathers at Gallipoli - a blood-drenched WWI battle.

Disgusting! This new "Us First" set of authoritarian wanna be global dictators have no shame!

originally posted by: Azureblue
a reply to: Artemis12

Apparently; there was a practice drill going on the same time, thats how the calvary arrived so quick so what does that tell us?

That New Zealand police aren't complacent and don't sit around idly, but work to stay sharp even when they aren't anticipating mass murders....

a reply to: Azureblue

Apparently; there was a practice drill going on the same time, thats how the calvary arrived so quick so what does that tell us?

Any chance of a credible link to confirm this . Just asking .

originally posted by: hutch622
a reply to: Azureblue

Apparently; there was a practice drill going on the same time, thats how the calvary arrived so quick so what does that tell us?

Any chance of a credible link to confirm this . Just asking .

I think I got from Veterans Today

a reply to: Sookiechacha

It's becoming more surreal by the day every time I read about another terror driven incident somewhere in the world. And while the PM of NZ was refusing to name to murderer, Erdogan was blasting the video all over his Country, creating a new found hatred for white people who he thinks are anti Muslim.

If he keeps attacking other people he deems anti muslim, people will not stand down, and will become what he says they are, anti Muslim due to Erdogan and others like him. This is a manufactured incident. We've come a long way since 9-11 haven't we? They blew up the WTC and now they want to force everyone to embrace Islam with love and adornment. I don't think we're headed in the right direction with this, it's going to end badly.

a reply to: Artemis12

Erdogan is campaigning on this for March 31 local elections.

"Hundreds of New Zealanders and Australians travel to Canakkale each year for Anzac Day on April 25, to mark the start of the battle of Gallipoli and to commemorate the dead."'They returned in caskets': Turkey's ANZAC warning for Australians

Rather alarming timing. Local Turkish politicians showing the video, whipping up anger. I would be inclined to not go to Turkey for a while.

a reply to: pthena

This was calculated well, of course. It always seems that way doesn't it.

a reply to: hutch622

I don't have a link but the Western Australian police commissioner was on radio yesterday, he said that WA and 5 other Australian states/ territories had each a team off two officers helping NZ officers with a anti terrorist training drill just prior to the attack. He also claimed that Australian officers attended the mosques after the shooting to aid in first aid and other things.

Meanwhile back in NZ "Guns please".

In other news, I just took a Paul Bunyan crap. And that's about all the craps I give about this.

a reply to: BrianFlanders

In other news, I just took a Paul Bunyan crap. And that's about all the craps I give about this.

Moron is a word that springs to mind .

originally posted by: hutch622
a reply to: BrianFlanders

In other news, I just took a Paul Bunyan crap. And that's about all the craps I give about this.

Moron is a word that springs to mind .

I was just about to say that.

a reply to: BrianFlanders

Glad you can own it .

Je Suis Australia!

They're more of an ally than Turkey.

And the object lesson is?

a reply to: Artemis12

This is a manufactured incident.

Your opinion is it is manufactured. Saying "it is" is disingenuous as you're proclaiming it as fact.

We've come a long way since 9-11 haven't we? They blew up the WTC and now they want to force everyone to embrace Islam with love and adornment.

Who is "they"? No one is forcing Islam on you, I think that it is just an unspoken code of humanity not to snip on a large group of people after they just went through a tragedy.

There are plenty of reasons to be critical of their religion, any religion, and every ideology. I'm just shocked at how many people are acting like they're the victims after that horrific massacre.

You're not a victim, you just have thin skin, so thin it hurts when no one even attacked you.

originally posted by: hutch622
a reply to: BrianFlanders

Glad you can own it .

I own a memory which contains the correct spelling of the word "you're".

a reply to: Artemis12

He's just sad they lost the war and their glorious ottoman empire finally ended. He is basically a nationalist wanting to bring back the ottoman empire.

It's always somebody else's fault eh 😎

a reply to: Artemis12

This was calculated well, of course. It always seems that way doesn't it.

Opportunism is the conscious policy and practice of taking advantage of circumstances – with little regard for principles or with what the consequences are for others. Opportunist actions are expedient actions guided primarily by self-interested motives. The term can be applied to individual humans and living organisms, groups, organizations, styles, behaviours, and trends.

I don't entertain the notion that the killer in New Zealand was somehow working as an agent of Erdogan. Erdogan has seized upon this as an opportunity to further his own goals.

Erdogan has been the leader of Turkey since 2003; first as Prime Minister, then as President since 2014. That's 16 years. The longer one person retains power the more they become corrupted by that power and the more they would seek to keep that power.

See Erdoğanism

With support significantly derived from charismatic authority, Erdoğanism has been described as the "strongest phenomenon in Turkey since Kemalism" and enjoys broad support throughout the country.[1] Its ideological roots originate from Turkish conservatism and its most predominant political adherent is the governing Justice and Development Party (AKP), a party that Erdoğan founded in 2001.
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As a personified version of conservative democracy, key ideals of Erdoğanism include a religious inspired strong centralised leadership based primarily on electoral consent and less so on the separation of powers and institutional checks and balances.[2] Critics have often referred to Erdoğan's political outlook as authoritarian and as an elective dictatorship.
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The term 'Erdoğanism' first emerged shortly after Erdoğan's 2011 general election victory, where it was predominantly described as the AKP's liberal economic and conservative democratic ideals fused with Erdoğan demagoguery and cult of personality. The usage of the term increased in conjunction with a greater recognition of Erdoğan on the global stage, mostly due to his proactive foreign policy ideals based on Neo-Ottomanism, a core factor that Erdoğanism encompasses.

Erdogan, in my opinion, is using the NZ terror attack in order to present himself as Caliph (The political leader of the Muslim world, successor of Muhammad's political authority, not religious or spiritual). That would put him in a position to command worldwide … (allegiance perhaps?)

Turkey is a member of NATO. Crying out loud!!!

Even though I may be a heathen now, I was raised with strong Protestant Christian ideals that no living person should be elevated to a position of authority close to or equal to God; especially when Worldwide authority is the aim of that scope.

I hope most Muslims also see the value of this ideal.

Disclaimer: I am not a Muslim, but I have read the Qur'an once. I have not read the Hadiths. I don't know much about Islam really; but it should be obvious that Erdogan is not Allah; and neither is he the Prophet.

ETA:

Historian Reinhard Luthin defined demagogue thus: "What is a demagogue? He is a politician skilled in oratory, flattery and invective; evasive in discussing vital issues; promising everything to everybody; appealing to the passions rather than the reason of the public; and arousing racial, religious, and class prejudices—a man whose lust for power without recourse to principle leads him to seek to become a master of the masses. He has for centuries practiced his profession of 'man of the people'. He is a product of a political tradition nearly as old as western civilization itself."[6]

Demagogues have appeared in democracies since ancient Athens. They exploit a fundamental weakness in democracy: because ultimate power is held by the people, it is possible for the people to give that power to someone who appeals to the lowest common denominator of a large segment of the population. Demagogues usually advocate immediate, forceful action to address a national crisis while accusing moderate and thoughtful opponents of weakness or disloyalty.