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Fox News: how an anti-Obama fringe set the stage for Trump

Shortly after Barack Obama was elected president, Roger Ailes, then the chairman and CEO of Fox News, moved into action.“I see this as the Alamo,” Ailes said, invoking the 1835 battle for Texas’ independence from Mexico.
Ailes, who died in 2017, was speaking to conservative host Glenn Beck, who once recounted the conversation as a prism through which Ailes viewed the role of the conservative movement in the Obama era.

“If I just had somebody who was willing to sit on the other side of the camera until the last shot is fired, we’d be fine,” Ailes told Beck.

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While Fox held an openly conservative bent since its inception – and was a chief attack dog of the Clintons in the 1990s – it was in the aftermath of Obama’s election that overtures to white identity politics grew from subtle to overt.
As the US weathered the aftermath of the 2008 economic recession and financial crisis, the network’s message to its viewers was clear: Obama, it was said, would bring “socialism” to the country’s doorstep.

“They created this sense of urgency among its viewers that whatever Barack Obama was doing was going to be damaging to the structure of America,” said Matt Gertz, a senior fellow at Media Matters for America, a progressive media watchdog.
“I see Trump as seizing on that sense of complete confrontation and using it to appeal to the very sorts of people that Fox appealed to for years.”

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The relationship between Trump and Fox News, Gertz said, was “more dangerous than ever and more powerful than ever”.​
“It’s not because Fox is doing something particularly different than it’s done in the past,” he said.​

“It’s because Donald Trump is in the White House and is working in this synergy with the network,” Gertz added. “The ears of the most powerful man in America are listening to what Fox has to say.”​

Bill Kristol, who worked as a Fox News contributor for a decade until 2013, said the network had undeniably escalated its “whipping up of ethnic resentments, racial resentments, and the deep state”.​

But the onus, he said, was ultimately on the individual who sits in the Oval Office.

Which is it to be ?

Fox is Trump's propaganda machine
or Trump is a Fox viewer, blindly parroting Fox's fear agenda
In either case, it's not good for the country

originally posted by: Cassi3l

Fox News: how an anti-Obama fringe set the stage for Trump

Shortly after Barack Obama was elected president, Roger Ailes, then the chairman and CEO of Fox News, moved into action.“I see this as the Alamo,” Ailes said, invoking the 1835 battle for Texas’ independence from Mexico.
Ailes, who died in 2017, was speaking to conservative host Glenn Beck, who once recounted the conversation as a prism through which Ailes viewed the role of the conservative movement in the Obama era.

“If I just had somebody who was willing to sit on the other side of the camera until the last shot is fired, we’d be fine,” Ailes told Beck.

... snip ...

While Fox held an openly conservative bent since its inception – and was a chief attack dog of the Clintons in the 1990s – it was in the aftermath of Obama’s election that overtures to white identity politics grew from subtle to overt.
As the US weathered the aftermath of the 2008 economic recession and financial crisis, the network’s message to its viewers was clear: Obama, it was said, would bring “socialism” to the country’s doorstep.

“They created this sense of urgency among its viewers that whatever Barack Obama was doing was going to be damaging to the structure of America,” said Matt Gertz, a senior fellow at Media Matters for America, a progressive media watchdog.
“I see Trump as seizing on that sense of complete confrontation and using it to appeal to the very sorts of people that Fox appealed to for years.”

... snip ...

The relationship between Trump and Fox News, Gertz said, was “more dangerous than ever and more powerful than ever”.​
“It’s not because Fox is doing something particularly different than it’s done in the past,” he said.​

“It’s because Donald Trump is in the White House and is working in this synergy with the network,” Gertz added. “The ears of the most powerful man in America are listening to what Fox has to say.”​

Bill Kristol, who worked as a Fox News contributor for a decade until 2013, said the network had undeniably escalated its “whipping up of ethnic resentments, racial resentments, and the deep state”.​

But the onus, he said, was ultimately on the individual who sits in the Oval Office.

Which is it to be ?

Fox is Trump's propaganda machine
or Trump is a Fox viewer, blindly parroting Fox's fear agenda
In either case, it's not good for the country

Do you think CNN or MSNBC are good or not good for the country?

Most people knew Fox would come under attack. People can post and debate there not something the left likes at all. Like this place has swung to the right so the lefties feel like their getting picked on when facts and such are required. This might swing to the left again but who knows.

She will be good for their ratings and will be welcomed into reality!!

How long before they start calling her racist names??

To OP title: No, I have never considered FNC a 'bastion'. What I thought (and continue to think) is that they generally lean more towards what people consider the right side of centrism on their morning shows and news shows (ignoring Shep) and strongly conservative on their pundit shows, while at the same time bringing leftists, statists, and the occasional genuine liberal on to state opposing views.

most democrats are basically right wing dems

be honest, the dems aren't actually progressives and the progressive wing of dems gets marganlized IE Bernies sanders 2016

face it, there's no real progressive party, there's really right wing and somewhat center right wing

oh and 3 libertarians

Exactly. This is what so many conservatives and yes, less informed American liberals don’t get.

Like it or not, according to political history and global politics, Democrats would be considered a center right wing party, centrist at best. In Europe they’d be a conservative party.

There are some people who identify as democrats who are actual leftists, however, but they are in the minority. Sanders and AOC are further left but even then are not all the way left and would be centrists in Europe, maybe AOC center left.
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a reply to: Quetzalcoatl14

I've been thinking recently that it might be prudent to actually move away from the thinking that this new social group correctly fits into the political spectrum as we know it.

I've been struggling to figure out the best way to articulate it.. but, the premise is that it is a social group best defined by behavior and a reduction, or elimination of individual identity. It "just so happens" to bleed over and infect the political sphere because it influences all interactions of adherents. Its corporate brand loyalty, mixed with religious zealotry, moved into general society and tied together with political trappings. One of the bigger giveaways is that conversion is more important than actually achieving stated goals. One needs to actively support not just the subject, but also the narrative surrounding that subject. Being "OK" with something, or having a slightly different view even if in agreement about everything else, is not acceptable.

For example, I may not agree that humans are going extinct in a dozen years. But, I'd love to see the technology and innovations that would solve that problem. I figure the vast majority of actual, real world progress towards efficiency, varied energy sources, and lessening environmental impact can be implemented like every technology and innovation before it. But, by turning it into an arena to be conquered, it polarizes something that would otherwise just be normal progress. Instead, the "how" is a footnote, at best; a trifle in comparison to the narrative. Hell, I feel integration of automation is one of the most pressing issues we face, but its not really a significant part of the narrative, so...

On top of it all, I think that many have become so habitual about doubling down on mistakes that they don't know how to do anything else.

Its a shame that any of these media outlets retain any legitimacy, since I feel they are a central cog in this machine. Especially when there are actually decent alternatives like Tim Pool's work. Honestly, I expect bias in anything us humans do, but openly deceiving others in order to propagate that bias is a problem.

All that said, I'd have to begrudgingly admit that Fox tends to do a better job than others, recently. Of course, being the least slow slug is probably not the proudest claim to fame.