Christchurch Al Noor Imam radicalised Westerners, does that matter

a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

Well please accept my sincere apologies, this place is mostly hostile as far as I am concerned
It breaks my heart what happened but when muslims preach hate, or Christians, atheists, who ever, you kind of expect it, well I do

Thanks for clarifying, written words are never as clear as spoken 🦄🌈

originally posted by: ManBehindTheMask
No, it doesnt changed that he should not have walked in and gunned down people including children........

Not a bit?
I am not sure his reasoning but, and I am not justifying what I say because it’s wrong, though, I understand better why he did what he did and why
If he did in fact know that some people were being radicalised

It’s war or he sees it as war

But

I am not sure the real motivation and truth, I believe there is a whole lot more.
A crazy conspiracy I don’t wish tomshare

Oops do

a reply to: Raggedyman

Sounds like you are desperately trying to justify the shooters actions at worst, playing devil's advocate at best.

If the mosque radicalized those two men does that justify going in there and killing all? Don't you see that is the eye for an eye mentality that has existed since the dawn of time.

Atrocities from all sides must be vilified not justified by all.

a reply to: Raggedyman

You "understanding better" why he did what he did is probably how an imam "helps" a mosque goer "understand" why a terrorist does what he does. SMH stop w the eye for an eye crap.

originally posted by: conspiracy nut
a reply to: Raggedyman

Sounds like you are desperately trying to justify the shooters actions at worst, playing devil's advocate at best.

If the mosque radicalized those two men does that justify going in there and killing all? Don't you see that is the eye for an eye mentality that has existed since the dawn of time.

Atrocities from all sides must be vilified not justified by all.

Where did I justify the actions of the gunman

Maybe you are trying to corner me into justifying the actions because you are a radical killer like him and want my support

In fact I think you are a socialist green supporter who wants to kill all Muslims, kill them anywhere you find them, you want to blow up all mosques everywhere don’t you crazy conspiracy nut?

Conspiracy nut, I think psychopath nut, trying to get me to support you on your muderous campaign, pretending to be what you are not

Illicied, your reverse psychology is glorifying him isn’t it conspiracy nut
Your type disgust me, human monsters who breed hate and death

I see you, see deep into your words

originally posted by: Dr UAE
a reply to: Raggedyman

you only have to look at this

and you will realise that he radicalised himself

When I see this I see a person who has been deeply submerged into some serious indoctrination

There is a lot more to this story than we are being told
Some real obscure references on that weapon, real obscure

originally posted by: conspiracy nut
a reply to: Raggedyman

You "understanding better" why he did what he did is probably how an imam "helps" a mosque goer "understand" why a terrorist does what he does. SMH stop w the eye for an eye crap.

Oh no, dear me

I understand why Hitler invaded Poland after WW1, why he attacked France, wanted to rebuild Germany, worse I understand Churchill, why he retaliated against Hitler for invading Poland. I also understand Stalin and why he initially supported nazi Germany and also understand why Stalin fought Hitler after the invasion. I understand Hirohito trying to grow Japan and it’s economy and why the US retaliated
I understand the need for a nuke, even two of them
Oh poor me, understanding better means I support Hitler, Churchill, Stalin, Hirohito, Eisenhower, and whoever else I understand, hell nuking people I must support because I understand it

No wait, what am I saying, clearly I am being stupid, stupid because though I understand why something happened doesn’t mean I agree and think it is a good thing


Wow, how stupid am I thinking that if I understand someone it means i agreee with them

Silly me

originally posted by: Raggedyman

originally posted by: ManBehindTheMask
No, it doesnt changed that he should not have walked in and gunned down people including children........

Not a bit?
I am not sure his reasoning but, and I am not justifying what I say because it’s wrong, though, I understand better why he did what he did and why
If he did in fact know that some people were being radicalised

It’s war or he sees it as war

But

I am not sure the real motivation and truth, I believe there is a whole lot more.
A crazy conspiracy I don’t wish tomshare

Nope not a bit......

Gacey, Dahmer, bundy..... All jsutified their actions too....

I spent years over seas fighting radicals..... And in no way would I ever try and justify walking into a bunch of worshipers and mowing them down in cold blood.....

And there's the rub.... The OP asks does it matter if that's what they were doing... . Noper not one smidge

a reply to: ManBehindTheMask
Please don’t make the mistake of thinking I am endorsing anything that happened

Just saying my perspective after finding out that the mosque was encouraging radicals has changed the whole narrative that I have been reading

If someone is encouraging violence, I am not shocked that at some stage someone retaliates to that violence
When it initially happened I was shocked, not so much anymore in light of the revelations

And my opinion, not surprised that it got shot up and people killed, sad but to be expected.
Let’s call it a type of karma if you want to.
Violence begets violence
Hate preaching gets hate preaching

a reply to: Raggedyman

your source was Milo Yiannopolous w no corroborating links. Milo likes to troll and start drama. He is a self described provocateur and fabulous super villain, yet you took his post and ran with it without any proof of it's authenticity and then ask us if it changes our opinion.

Senseless violence is never justified in my opinion, this eye for an eye vigilantism is what has gotten us here to begin with.

originally posted by: ManBehindTheMask

originally posted by: oloufo
a reply to: JinMI

it is believed his. no, i didn't read the whole thing. i didn't read hitlers 'mein kampf' too. you can google both.

Ive read both, because I wanted to know how , and what both mad men thought.........

ignoring things like that only puts you at a disadvantage to crazies like that , and unable to see the warning signs.....

You know, kind of like drinking the Koolaid spouting he was right wing, because you choose to remain ignorant of what his views actually were..........

Womp womp

I so wish more people could think..

We are not so different, hey...

Here is a last skoll for welcomed thought, brother..

slainte.

originally posted by: conspiracy nut
He is a self described provocateur and fabulous super villain

aHHAHA what a brilliant sentiment.

Milo is a needed example.. He can shut down an agenda in mere words. I love him for that.

There are subtle hints at every mosque that do this.

I went on a college field trip to a mosque and the Iman was taking about the black and white difference in beliefs muslims and Americans have and now Americans will slowly learn...blah blah


Nobody understood at the time, but in class the next day a girl quoted the guy and confronted the teacher.

Teacher didint know what to say and tried to do big time damage control

Whatever the case these muslims are not here to integrate, are extremely passionate about their history, and hold completely different beliefs then ameicans on many topics such as gay rights, womens rights, and religous freedom.

You really have to be very naive or completely look the other way to not see their goals

originally posted by: conspiracy nut
a reply to: Raggedyman

You "understanding better" why he did what he did is probably how an imam "helps" a mosque goer "understand" why a terrorist does what he does. SMH stop w the eye for an eye crap.

They failed as a civilization and need to be hosted by more successful ones.

You.would think a greater appreciation and assimilation into the country that helped them. But no.
They want to change what they dont like.

This mosque now has 2 members that went to fight in jihad.?

a reply to: Raggedyman

Just saying my perspective after finding out that the mosque was encouraging radicals has changed the whole narrative that I have been reading

what you are not trying to understand is what it says in the article you quoted in your OP

“A visiting speaker from Indonesia talked about violent jihad and plenty shared his views.”

What is violent Jihad?

What was talked about that plenty shared the visiting Imam's views?

Most see Jihad and are convinced it means Muslims killing non Muslims,

If someone is encouraging violence, I am not shocked that at some stage someone retaliates to that violence When it initially happened I was shocked, not so much anymore in light of the revelations

with what you said you could argue you have a foot to stand on if the sick F*** tracked down the Indonesian Imam and killed him.

Shooting kids in the face with a shot gun?

Your not so shocked anymore?

Let’s call it a type of karma if you want to.

NO

you can call it whatever you want

Violence begets violence

God forbid in future some sick F*** kills your family then one reads these words you posted

Its no big deal

lets call it a type of Karma



Believers in God yet are so conflicted inside that its not so shocking kids are being murdered because maybe someone standing in the same room as them in the past spoke of violence.

originally posted by: Bloodworth
There are subtle hints at every mosque that do this.

I went on a college field trip to a mosque and the Iman was taking about the black and white difference in beliefs muslims and Americans have and now Americans will slowly learn...blah blah


Nobody understood at the time, but in class the next day a girl quoted the guy and confronted the teacher.

Teacher didint know what to say and tried to do big time damage control

Whatever the case these muslims are not here to integrate, are extremely passionate about their history, and hold completely different beliefs then ameicans on many topics such as gay rights, womens rights, and religous freedom.

You really have to be very naive or completely look the other way to not see their goals

What are talking about?

are you seriously that deranged?

Muslims in America and your school trip you mention in every thread?


In a thread about an article.

what more BS hate and ignorance can you spew

Oh here we go

They failed as a civilization and need to be hosted by more successful ones.

Who?

what are you talking about, the mosque victims?

WTF are you on about?

This mosque now has 2 members that went to fight in jihad.?

NO

not now.

IGNORANCE at the highest level spurred on by your hate and indoctrination

radicals from any mindset would be proud to have humans walking this earth such as yourself

originally posted by: InhaleExhale

originally posted by: Bloodworth
There are subtle hints at every mosque that do this.

I went on a college field trip to a mosque and the Iman was taking about the black and white difference in beliefs muslims and Americans have and now Americans will slowly learn...blah blah


Nobody understood at the time, but in class the next day a girl quoted the guy and confronted the teacher.

Teacher didint know what to say and tried to do big time damage control

Whatever the case these muslims are not here to integrate, are extremely passionate about their history, and hold completely different beliefs then ameicans on many topics such as gay rights, womens rights, and religous freedom.

You really have to be very naive or completely look the other way to not see their goals

What are talking about?

are you seriously that deranged?

Muslims in America and your school trip you mention in every thread?


In a thread about an article.

what more BS hate and ignorance can you spew

Oh here we go

They failed as a civilization and need to be hosted by more successful ones.

Who?

what are you talking about, the mosque victims?

WTF are you on about?

This mosque now has 2 members that went to fight in jihad.?

NO

not now.

IGNORANCE at the highest level spurred on by your hate and indoctrination

radicals from any mindset would be proud to have humans walking this earth such as yourself

Stalking much, you remember my olds posts. I'm flattered..

Yes the reason why they are ditching their home countries because its inhabitable. They have showed little progress as a civilization the last 500 years. And you dont know who is leaving their countires in droves?

Their polices on womens rights, gay rights, religious freedom and multiple wives have produced exactly what you see and it's not successful.

And yes its important that my one experience in a mosque showed what was really going on

Very subtly ways they show assimilation is not their motto. Instead the u.s. should take on some of their failed civilization policies.

Hell no

There is no comparison so dont even try

originally posted by: InhaleExhale
a reply to: Raggedyman

Just saying my perspective after finding out that the mosque was encouraging radicals has changed the whole narrative that I have been reading

what you are not trying to understand is what it says in the article you quoted in your OP

“A visiting speaker from Indonesia talked about violent jihad and plenty shared his views.”

What is violent Jihad?

What was talked about that plenty shared the visiting Imam's views?

Most see Jihad and are convinced it means Muslims killing non Muslims,

If someone is encouraging violence, I am not shocked that at some stage someone retaliates to that violence When it initially happened I was shocked, not so much anymore in light of the revelations

with what you said you could argue you have a foot to stand on if the sick F*** tracked down the Indonesian Imam and killed him.

Shooting kids in the face with a shot gun?

Your not so shocked anymore?

Let’s call it a type of karma if you want to.

NO

you can call it whatever you want

Violence begets violence

God forbid in future some sick F*** kills your family then one reads these words you posted

Its no big deal

lets call it a type of Karma

Believers in God yet are so conflicted inside that its not so shocking kids are being murdered because maybe someone standing in the same room as them in the past spoke of violence.

Funny isn’t it, you are right, not so shocked
Guess I have seen this happen globally for decades, based on religion and non religion

Port Arthur, kill NGOs in US schools by other children, Bali bombings the list is endless
No I am not shocked, what does that tell you about the world we live in

Seriously, it happened in NZed, that shocked me if it happened in Africa, the US or Europe, hardly would have noticed

You seem to like to over react in my opinion, these shootings happen all to regularly and I am not surprised it happened after reading about people being radicalised

So,e one could kill my family, it’s life, it’s cheap to others

originally posted by: conspiracy nut
a reply to: Raggedyman

your source was Milo Yiannopolous w no corroborating links. Milo likes to troll and start drama. He is a self described provocateur and fabulous super villain, yet you took his post and ran with it without any proof of it's authenticity and then ask us if it changes our opinion.

Senseless violence is never justified in my opinion, this eye for an eye vigilantism is what has gotten us here to begin with.

So senseless violence is never justified, that’s brilliant, you sir are a genuine genius, a scholar, a philosopher worthy of Socrates, an intellect unmatched, we all live in your shadow, no, we stand on your giant shoulders and look upon the world anew, afresh.

I quoted milo because he doesn’t get it wrong and commented he had proof. Some people I trust and they don’t need to make stupidly obvious statements to glorify themselves. Well milo does that as well but he isn’t trying to win stars on ats at least