Can Someone Explain This? Idolatrus Worship And Lucifer Worship.

Hello,
There is widespread idolatrus and Lucifer worship in the catholic church, often disguised in latin. Don't know if anyone on here understands latin and can interpret for the rest of us. The following video show the disturbing patterns.

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a reply to: Hyperboles

How is worshipping an idol different than worshipping god, or a toaster for that matter, other than social acceptability?

Answer.....it Isn't. It depends mostly on indoctrination.

Two things ... one, a crucified seraph isn't Lucifer...
and two, Mary's Assumption (which sounds presumptive rather than ascending) to heaven is a thing.

So, if an avowed atheist with agnostic leanings who knows little about theology can spot this in moments, then it's safe to say the video is not only in error but ignorant as heck.

But I will admit the pic of the pres and big wigs does show an unbelievable amount of pure evil.

originally posted by: Mach2
a reply to: Hyperboles

How is worshipping an idol different than worshipping god, or a toaster for that matter, other than social acceptability?

Answer.....it Isn't. It depends mostly on indoctrination.

G-D is not an idol. The G-D of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob forbids the worship of idols. In my house there are no idols, no pictures, et c. YHWH is not represented by any idol. You tell a lie about my G-D. My G-D is Spirit. His Son on the cross is a SYMBOL not an idol. I do not worship it or pray to it. I wear my crucifix to remind me of Jesus constantly, like a chain around my neck, which is kinda what He said to do.

You are being totally ignorant with a comment like that. You are trying to make the world fit into your prejudivce against religion. Nearly all humanity believe in something. Very few are hollow of spirit, thank goodness.

Don't every accuse me of idol worship. I follow the Faithful 10 of Moses.

a reply to: Hyperboles

Lol, if they are abusing and murdering children then it is obvious they are the devil. I think the Catholic Church will be destroyed. People will not want to folow something as disgusting as that now they have the freedom and are informed about the criminality and widespread corruption the Roman Catholic Church has brought to all nations of the world. They are the true enemy of all the states. They take the money from the citizens and abuse their children in return. That is the worst "usury" I ever heard of, lol.The Vatican Bank will go bust eventually, victim of its own desperation and corruption. There is NOTHING wortth keeping of that institution.

Jerusalem is my Holy City. I went to the Wall on my pilgrimage, not to Rome.

They depend upon their flock for everything. The pope has made a deal with China to be the only state allowed form of a pretence of Christianity. He has capitulated with the Chinese state like the popes before him did with all the other political monsters of yesteryear.

I am a Christian and I have been told not to go anywhere near it. I am informed by Spirit that it is to go the way of Sodom. There is nothing good in that institution worth keeping other than Michelangelo's nice art, but its future too is in doubt if there is a nasty earthquakes that destroys all their idols in Rome as an example.

Boo to the Abusing Roman Catholic Church. The world would have been better off without those murderers. May be a few scattered "Rosies" will survive, but they will be a cult for rich people, that's all, at best. Nobody else will be interested and their funding will only be as big as their own pockets.

They are the enemy of every woman. They ban women from everything and say they are never allowed to have abortions and must not use birth control. They have burned women at the stake. As women rise from the ashes they will condemn that institution.

a reply to: Malak777

You do realize you just proved my point about indoctrination, right? Probably not.

The heavens gate followers, the followers of Jim jones, or any other cult all thought they were absolutely correct, and infallible.

If you want an echo chamber, that's fine. If you want a real exchange of views, and ideas, however, you can't be offended by those that see things differently.

originally posted by: Mach2
a reply to: Malak777

You do realize you just proved my point about indoctrination, right? Probably not.

The heavens gate followers, the followers of Jim jones, or any other cult all thought they were absolutely correct, and infallible.

If you want an echo chamber, that's fine. If you want a real exchange of views, and ideas, however, you can't be offended by those that see things differently.

Only a fool would say such a thing about a stranger they never met before.

It is your own prejudice you are arguing from. I do not even go to a Church. I do not follow any of them as they are all too corrupt. All I do is listen to the Spirit in me and read the Bible.

Of course I ADMIT fully to being indoctrinated by G-D, the Prophets, Christ and the Saints. Yep, full on heavy indoctrination stamped on me by my own will. I encourage it and force it every day. It is beautiful and has made me very strong. Jesus is my Master. I am His property. Yes, He has very successfully indoctrinated me. The Physician DOCTOR has indeed DOCTRINATED me like an anti vaccine to all the crap of the world.

I full accept Jesus' DOCTRINE. Don't accuse me of any church indoctrination though. I will not have anything to do with any of them.

Does that clear it up for you?

a reply to: Malak777

My apologies if i have offended you. That was not my intent. I respect your opinions. Apparently that is not mutual.

I am not anti religion. Billions of ppl take comfort in their beliefs, and the ten commandments are an excellent framework to live by,

My issue is with those who think their way is the only way.

You will never convince me an infinate number of ppl are going to be barred from heaven simply because their beliefs differ from yours. It makes no sense. My gods mind is an open one, and so is his "heart".

a reply to: Mach2

I could get behind Toasterfarianism.

Well there two or three things that have different meaning or use behind the use of the word Lucifer.

One, is synonymous with Venus, the morning star and is Latin for light bear supposedly or maybe even Shining One. Jesus on Revealations even call himself Lucifer.

One an half, Moses could be called a Shining one regarding the fact of him coming down from Sinai with the commandments with horns, or a halo of light shining from his before the 40 year trek.

Two, it was used to describe one of the Kings of Babylon, I can't remember to spell his name(don't have time and that how far he fell, so who cares) who enslaved the Hebrews, and may have gone or called himself by that title, as well as Prince of Air. His fall by the hand of Cyrus the second is symbolic of the fall of Lucifer at the hands of God.

The word Serpent in Hebrew could be also translated to Shining supposedly.


Three, Satan and Lucifer may be two entire figures entirely judging by the context used in different parts of the bible. Satan could of a been a literary use of saying enemy, opponent or even rivals to evil spirits since it mean Adversary. Jacob wrestling with an angel is an example of this, since the angel is called an Adversary of Jacob. So it can be loosely synonymous with Lucifer, or even Serpent for that matter even though it most likely doesn't.

Four, this is imo anyway, it might have something to do with UFO's being sighted.

a reply to: Hyperboles


The cross is not a crucifix, it is the good shepherd with sheep. Not wings; sheep, you can see the Shepherd even carrying one over his shoulders.

Another Christian symbol is the descending dove, symbolic of the Holy Spirit.

The Christian symbol of the cross forms the frame for the other symbols.

Someone else has explained the Lucifer reference.

It may sound like sun worship but it probably has to do with Mary, mother of the Christ. So if you take Greco-Roman Aphrodite/Venus veneration and transfer that veneration to Mary, then you have the cult of Mary, which is a Roman Catholic thing since the 1800s.
I could be wrong about the 1800s part. See: Veneration of Mary in the Catholic Church. Seems to have a somewhat longer history than I thought.

As for the "scary mark of the Beast" stuff see:
The Great Controversy (book)

The book begins with a historical overview, which begins with the destruction of Jerusalem in AD 70, covers the Reformation and Advent movement in detail, and culminates with a lengthy description of the end times. It also outlines several key Seventh-day Adventist doctrines, including the heavenly sanctuary, the investigative judgment and the state of the dead.

Much of the first half of the book is devoted to the historical conflict between Roman Catholicism and Protestantism. White writes that the Papacy propagated a corrupt form of Christianity from the time of Constantine I onwards and during the Middle Ages was opposed only by the Waldensians and other small groups, who preserved an authentic form of Christianity. Beginning with John Wycliffe and Jan Huss and continuing with Martin Luther, Huldrych Zwingli, and others, the Reformation led to a partial recovery of biblical truth. In the early 19th century William Miller began to preach that Jesus was about to return to earth; his movement eventually resulted in the formation of the Adventist church.

The second half of the book is prophetic, looking to a resurgence in papal supremacy. The civil government of the United States will form a union with the Roman Catholic church as well as with apostate Protestantism, leading to enforcement of a universal Sunday law (the mark of the beast) and a great persecution of Sabbath-keepers immediately prior to the second coming of Jesus. And these will be part of the end time remnant of believers who are faithful to God, which will be sealed and manifested just prior to the second coming of Jesus.

The Online version can be found here: EGW writings

a reply to: Hyperboles

Lucifer is more fun. Lighten up.

a reply to: KellyKill


That sounds like a pun to me.

a reply to: pthena

See, some folks can get it...

a reply to: Malak777

You tell a lie about my G-D.

NO

try reading what they said

Don't every accuse me of idol worship. I follow the Faithful 10 of Moses.

No one has


you are speaking in tongues

maybe you need to see a priest, you may be possessed and having hallucinations brought upon by evil

I wear my crucifix to remind me of Jesus constantly, like a chain around my neck, which is kinda what He said to do.

YEP run to exorcist, you need a cleansing.

Only a fool would say such a thing about a stranger they never met before.

Yes

look at the things I have quoted

you have lied

is that a Christian thing to do, deception I do not think is the way of Christ.

Don't accuse me of any church indoctrination though.

NO one has.

you have made all that up.


very short thread yet you have made up so much crap about what was said.

Seriously, you should speak to someone about this issue.

I hope you get better and see more clearly so as to not be so deceived, so in future you maybe wont so badly misinterpret another opinion as an attack on you or your faith.

Read the post you replied to over and over, its so simple yet you made out as being so complex.

originally posted by: KellyKill
a reply to: Hyperboles

Lucifer is more fun. Lighten up.

Sure...just ask the diseased and addicted Crowley who was left to beg alms from what remained of his supporters. Or the diseased and addicted LaVey. Pretty much always ends up badly for those such deceived. Have fun though. While you can.

originally posted by: KellyKill
a reply to: Hyperboles

Lucifer is more fun. Lighten up.

Lol good one.
Tho Lucifer / Satan might have been the light bearer while in heaven, but after he was cast out by God, he is no longer the light bearer but the bearer of darkness

a reply to: Hyperboles

Show me a verse in Genesis that calls the Serpent, Satan, the Enemy. Where as I can show you a verse in Gnostics saying Jesus, the Son of(Morning, Man, or God) is the Serpent.

Prove me the Serpent the enemy of the kingdom of man, and I'll quit this site, go to church so I can get molested and baptized and pray to be clean again.

originally posted by: watchitburn
I could get behind Toasterfarianism.

Something tells me that ATS is utterly worthless in the eyes of Yahushua.

The OP raises a major issue that will decide where a sinful soul ends up for eternity; yet making a cheesy joke gets several stars. This shows Yahushua how many sinful souls are not interested in being saved by His Everlasting Grace.

Sad; really sad.

@OP: Anything other than acceptance that Jesus Christ died on the Cross for our sins, is worthless.

"Latin"

. Try arguing with one of the Rephaim (Giants, eternally dead) in Latin and watch their response when they reply with the words, "Oh everything is going according to plan".

They only speak Latin because that is what the fallen giants (Europe) still speak in.

a reply to: Specimenyes the serpent was satan disguised to tempt eve to disobey God