UFO Time Anomaly Research.

Plenty of opinions out there when it comes to UFO origin involving extraterrestrials, metaterrestrials, ultraterrestrials, cryptoterrestrials etc. but this speculative 'woo' thread attempts to deal with the 'UFO/Time' subject and some of the more completely bizarre reports involving temporal distortion / manipulation anomalies - it also attempts to explore the connection between UFOs and time travel (if there is one).

Dr Hynek apparently once quipped to Jacques Vallee that 'UFOs may originate from a universe fifteen minutes into our future' and whilst it's thought he was only joking I did find it pretty surprising just how much research has already been conducted (and literature written) on the 'UFO/Time' subject - below are some relevant videos, interviews, articles and documents and also a really interesting quote from Norio that kicked off the idea for the thread in the first place.

"The UFO phenomenon appears to me as a temporary, paraphysical intrusion into our physical dimension by an unknown intelligence or unknown sentient entitities, paraphysically materializing themselves to a “pre-selected” observer (or a group of observers) and presenting to the observer as a physical extraterrestrial phenomenon and visitation."

Norio Hayakawa

Thought Tim Swartz's article below was a good intro and brought up a few very intriguing points about the subject - there's also further reading found at the link concerning the Oz factor and vehicle EM interference cases.

UFOs And Time Distortions

For most people, spotting a UFO would be considered extremely unusual, but for two Ohio women, seeing a UFO was the least surprising part of their experience.

In June 2001, two sisters, Angie Whitmeyer and Deborah Simmons, were returning from a day of shopping in Dayton, Ohio, when a strange light in the sky caught their attention.

“We were heading home to Kingman, Ohio, on State Road 73,” Deborah recalled. “It was a beautiful evening around 8:30 p.m., the air was warm and the sky crystal clear. Angie was driving and I was watching the scenery go by when I noticed a bright light in the western sky.”

Deborah watched in amazement as the light grew in intensity and flew towards the car at an incredible speed.

“Deborah asked me what that weird light was,” said Angie. “But we were close to Caesar Creek Lake and the road was pretty dark so I wasn’t paying a lot of attention to it. But then it flew right in front of us so I couldn’t miss it.”

The bright light soared past the car and hovered over the nearby treetops, casting an eerie glow over the entire area. Whitmeyer pulled the car over onto the side of the road so they could get a better look at the unusual object.

Deborah was shocked by how large and close the UFO was to them: “The light was so bright and white that you couldn’t see any shape behind it. But we could tell it was pretty big, at least as big as a house. The funny thing was that I couldn’t hear any sort of engine like you would normally hear with an airplane or helicopter. It was completely silent.”

Suddenly, another, identical bright light swooped down from the sky and hovered a short distance away. The two sisters decided the situation was becoming too strange and tried to drive away.

“That’s when I discovered that the car had stopped and I couldn’t restart it,” Angie said. “Nothing worked, the lights, the radio, it was completely dead.”

The two women also noticed an odd silence had descended over the area, accompanied by a strange feeling of isolation. Angie remembered that it seemed as if they were the only people in the world.

“I don’t remember seeing another car come by during the entire time we were there, which is really weird because at that time of an evening there’s always traffic on that road. And it was just dead silent outside, no birds, nothing. It was as if we were in another world.”

Uncertain what to do next, Angie and her sister continued to watch the strange pair of lights, when, unexpectedly, both objects shot straight up and disappeared into the night sky. The area was plunged into darkness, and oddly enough, the normal sounds of the night came back almost as if switched on.

“As soon as the lights flew away,” Deborah said, “the car started running again all by itself. The lights and radio were on just as they were before everything happened.”

According to their watches, the strange encounter had lasted more than 20 minutes. However, when they arrived home, Deborah’s husband seemed unconcerned about what they thought was a late arrival. That’s when they discovered that instead of being after 9:00 p.m., as their wristwatches indicated, it was only 8:35 p.m.

“It was as if the entire time we spent looking at those lights had never happened,” Angie said. “But it did happen, our watches both showed we had been stuck out there for over 20 minutes, but somehow we gained that time back with a few minutes to spare. Normally we should have been home at around ten to nine, but somehow, despite what had happened, we got there early.”


Distortions in Time and Space

One of the strangest aspects of some UFO encounters is the apparent distortion of time when a UFO is nearby. Researchers and writers have tried for years to understand and to interpret what happens before, during, and after a close contact with a UFO. But, many reports of time anomalies have been kept off some UFO databases because such events fall outside of the preconceived notions of what a UFO sighting should entail.

Like the two Ohio sisters, others who have experienced a close contact with a UFO have reported apparent time distortions like the failure of car engines, a strange feeling of isolation (to the point where it is observed that no other vehicles or people are seen during the sighting), unusual silence, spatial changes, altered states of consciousness, and distortions in the flow of time.

Generally, these anomalies disappear along with the UFO. Occasionally, however, the witnesses will suffer from unexpected relapses weeks, even years, after the initial experience.

These anomalous events have created more headaches than answers for researchers who have attempted to find scientific validation for unusual UFO encounters. On the surface, some of the reported anomalies seem to be explainable using modern science. However, upon closer analysis, strange things tend to become even stranger..

As Time Goes By

Sourced by Easynow this (rare) 'Sightings' clip about Michio Kaku's time travel theories also features the late Marc Davenport who makes some mighty interesting comments about the UFO subject taken from his book 'Visitors from time'.

See 2:30

My hypothesis is that these people who operate these ships - their technology is so advanced that actually figured out a way to artificially warp space-time, the way a black hole does naturally.

And, if that's true it could mean that they could be coming here not only from other planets but from other star systems, other galaxies, other dimensions that coexist with ours, parallel universes, even our own future or our own past.

We have the occupants of these craft are continually telling people - they ask them questions like what time is it, what is time, what is your time, what is age, what is a year and they say 'You are caught in time and we're not - our time is different from yours'.

Time is distorted in the vicinity of these craft and inside these craft - a lot of time people's watches will stop, we have people who say that their voices are distorted when they're near these craft like when they breathe helium or something. So we have all sorts of indications that these things are in some kind of a field that warps space and time.

Not to be outdone tenured Professor of Anthropology Dr Michael P Masters also argues in his book 'Identified Flying Objects- An Academic Approach To The UFO Problem' that 'a time travel explanation is preferable to a space travel explanation' and makes some curious observations about topics as varied as time related UFO occupant bipedalism and UFO colour change right through to rotating UFOs bending light cones.

See 1:11:11

Dr. Michael P. Masters is a professor of biological anthropology at Montana Tech in Butte, Montana. He received a Ph.D. in Anthropology from The Ohio State University in 2009, where he specialized in hominin evolutionary anatomy, archaeology, and bio-medicine. Over the years, Dr. Masters has developed a broad academic background, which began studying physics and astronomy at Ohio University in Athens, Ohio, with further undergraduate and graduate coursework in astrobiology, astronomy and physics, along with a perennial review of developments in classical and quantum physics regarding our ever-evolving understanding of time and time travel. In his forthcoming book Identified Flying Objects, Dr. Masters cautiously examines the premise that “UFOs” and “Aliens,” are possibly us... but, from where???

Related Articles:

But what of the real world? Are time-travelers really among us? Is there a direct connection between the world of time-travel and that of UFOs?

Why is it that our “aliens” conveniently speak our languages? How is it that, with no trouble at all, they can they breathe our atmosphere? Why do they abduct us and use us in bizarre genetic experiments? Surely we are not physically and genetically compatible with creatures from faraway solar-systems? They assure us that we are indeed compatible. It all sounds far too convenient and carefully stage-managed. Maybe that’s because they are not from faraway worlds, after all. Perhaps, they are from right here, on Earth. Not our Earth (so to speak), but the Earth of the future; the distant future. An Earth that is in ruins and at a time when the Human Race is perilously close to extinction...

Aliens: Us From A Future Time?

Humanoid extraterrestrial visitation can seem even more far-fetched than chrononaut theories involving the stretch of time travel, especially after wrestling with the incomprehensible difficulty of the mingling of our genes with those of a genuinely unrelated extraterrestrial, as suggested in hybrid scenarios..

Chrononauts - An Evolutionary Angle by Jeff Barris

For the last eight years, I’ve tried to sift through all my knowledge on UFOs, and the minimal knowledge that I have of the physics of time travel, to support my hypothesis, and cast doubt on the extraterrestrial hypothesis.

And, over the years, I’ve come up with some interesting conclusions..

Humans... Among us! by Clayton Rumley

Our legends and folklore are filled with stories about UFO sightings and contacts with aliens from other worlds... is it possible that these stories are not about time travelers from a distant world... but instead... that they are time travelers from our own future!

In these alien sightings the creatures have many human characteristics... is it possible that they are time travelers from our own planet... visiting us from thousand of years in the future?!

History is filled with many stories and legends about visitors from time, and also of experiments in time.

Time Travelers from the Future by David Anderson, Ph.D.

As well as those already mentioned, think it's fair to say there's also been other consistent (and global) UFO characteristics reported over the years like appearing out of nowhere; changing shape; separating and merging together (link) and, although it sounds completely bonkers, Tim Swartz also engages in some interesting speculation below about internal time frames and artificial space-time.

UFOs and Time

Scientists brave (or foolhardy) enough to try and conduct proper research on the nature of UFOs have been unable to find satisfactory answers as to why UFOs seem to cause time distortions. Past interpretations of Einstein’s physics leave little room for localized time anomalies, unless influenced by a gravitationally massive object such as a black hole.

However, the new kids on the physics block, quantum and string theories, may show that time and space are easier to influence than was previously thought. Some physicists believe that it is possible to engineer space-time itself and to surround a spaceship with a local space-time in such a way that locally, the light barrier remains intact, while from the outside the ship is moving at faster-than-light velocity. UFOs that seem to rapidly accelerate, change direction, or even disappear are actually operating conservatively from the viewpoint of their own internal time rates.

If someone or something came close enough to a ship that was creating its own space-time, normal time and space, as they know it, would cease to exist for them, and they would come under the influence of the artificial space-time.

This could explain some of the stranger aspects of UFO encounters, such as environmental sounds disappearing, isolation, the freezing of motors and electronic devices, and the feeling of time slowing down, stretching out, and losing all meaning. The UFO is literally creating an alteration in the local state of space-time, thus generating a major distortion effect that is experienced by the witness. Within this time anomaly the perceived forward motion of time could even disappear, allowing for the past, present, and future to intrude upon one another..

Michio Kaku also pops up again in this Telegraph time travel article and describes Stephen Hawking's reversal of opinion on the subject - also relevant is Hawking's ''Cosmology Protection Conjecture' where he initially denied the possibility of time travel because 'We have not been invaded by hordes of tourists from the future' - bit of a stretch but considering all the many different UFO shapes (and occupant flavours) reported over the years couldn't he just be describing the UFO subject?

The embarrassing thing, however, was that no matter how hard physicists tried, they could not find a law to prevent time travel. Apparently, time travel seems to be consistent with the known laws of physics. Unable to find any physical law that makes time travel impossible, Hawking recently changed his mind. He made headlines when he said, 'Time travel may be possible, but it is not practical..'

Prof Michio Kaku on the science behind UFOs and time travel

Also an interesting footnote found in the article below where government documents state that famed theoretical physicist and time aficionado John Archibald Wheeler (coiner of the terms 'black hole' and 'worm hole') was actively petitioned by the CIA way back in 1953 to 'atrack the flying saucer problem'..

Video Link

How anybody can still deny the existence of UFOs when the world’s brightest minds have been actively studying the phenomenon and the evidence available for decades is a mystery. Indeed, intelligence agencies like the CIA are recruiting the world’s top scientists to do so.

For example, a declassified secret document discovered in the CIA’s own electronic reading room titled a “Telephone Conversation With Dr. John A. Wheeler” shows how the agency was trying to recruit him to look into a “CIA attack on the flying saucer problem.”


CIA Document Shows The Agency Recruited Legendary American Physicist, John Wheeler, To Study UFOs

Document:

CIA Reading Room

a reply to: karl 12

Well.. that was a nice and scary story.
Sounds like they have the ability to control time.
If they do.. no of our earthly defenses will be good enough if they turn evil.

a reply to: Spacespider

Wouldn't worry too much about it mate - am also pretty impressed you found the time to go through all the interviews and articles.

Does seem something incredibly strange is going on when it comes to UFOs and time though.. and am also pretty sure there are plenty of other case examples out there - there's a fair few on this thread involving policemen, rally car drivers and members of the public but if you (or anyone else) knows of any other examples then please post.

This case only involves one witness but did find it quite compelling as a retired 'UFO sceptic' Police Officer was fishing on a river in the UK and witnessed a daylight close range metallic, saucer shaped object sucking up water - some strange temporal goings on reported and apparently during the sighting his bait maggots pupated into casters (which should have taken 2 days) - after being questioned by the MOD he also started receiving threatening phone calls - see 2:50:00.

Former Police Officer John Hanson - lesser known historical British UFO reports.

"This is the first of a ground-breaking new series compiled by former Police Officer John Hanson and his partner Dawn Holloway, together with David Sankey, a veteran UFO researcher and artist. The multi-part series covers British UFO sightings from 1940 to the present day. This first volume deals with UFO reports from 1940-1959; nineteen tumultuous years during which Britain won a war, lost an empire, buried a king, crowned a queen, and saw a new breed of consumer prosperity rise from the ashes of post-war austerity. People who have followed the UFO subject in any depth will not be surpised to discover that the UFOs encountered during these two decades follow the socio-political changes of the people who witnessed them to a remarkable degree. Haunted Skies is the most ambitious series of books ever attempted in the history of ufology, and will - no doubt - provide a new benchmark in the quality of such publications."


link

Cheers.

EXCELLENT thread. I've always believed that the only way a highly advanced extraterrestrial civilization could travel throughout the universe, was by manipulating space and time. It's the only theory that makes sense. What's really intriguing, is the fact that the US Department of Defense funded a series of studies on advanced aerospace technologies, including warp drives and the manipulation of extra dimensions, back in 2010. The question is, did the DOD do this based on the desire to come up with ways for man to travel throughout our universe, or because of the many years of reverse engineering seized extraterrestrial craft?

INTERESTING READ:

Warp Drive, Dark Energy, and the Manipulation of Extra Dimensions Page Count: 34 pages Date: April 2, 2010 Restriction: For Official Use Only Originating Organization: Defense Intelligence Agency

info.publicintelligence.net...

Excellent thread. Time distortion is just a biproduct of their propulsion field. Its strongest at the extremities of the field.

a reply to: shawmanfromny

I've always believed that the only way a highly advanced extraterrestrial civilization could travel throughout the universe, was by manipulating space and time. It's the only theory that makes sense.

Then it shouldn't require a huge leap to believe in the possibility that highly evolved, engineered advanced humans from a distant future have not only developed the ability to travel to and colonize other worlds, but also to travel through time.

Exploring the galaxy and other worlds would be great, but imagine having virtually all of time within reach?

Especially if your origins are here on earth!

a reply to: karl 12

also relevant is Hawking's ''Cosmology Protection Conjecture' where he initially denied the possibility of time travel because 'We have not been invaded by hordes of tourists from the future' - bit of a stretch but considering all the many different UFO shapes (and occupant flavours) reported over the years couldn't he just be describing the UFO subject?

You also have to ask why they almost never walk out of a craft and reveal themselves, and why would our governments also work so hard to keep it a secret assuming UFO's are intelligently controlled. If this theory is true I think it helps explain both those problems and that's one of the main reasons I don't dismiss this idea as totally crazy. I assume you've seen my threads on the topic but if not check the 'Aliens' link in my signature. It's also interesting how often the subject of time manipulation and talk about the future comes up when you dig deep into abduction reports and UFO sightings.

For example the binary code from the famous Rendlesham Forest case contains text such as "exploration of humanity" and "origin year 8100". The message in the famous Crabwood crop circle said "much pain but still time" as if to imply the future is known. The Australien Skies 2 doco which came out last year contains footage of a regression session where the abductee recalls a conversation with the abductors who claimed to be from a future Earth. In my threads on this topic I cover many more examples, most of which I have found in books about abduction, you'd be surprised how often the patients bring up time/future subjects under regression.

a reply to: karl 12

"Time is distorted in the vicinity of these craft and inside these craft - a lot of time people's watches will stop,"

Lol.. Just think about that logic...Time stops, which effects the watch.. Yet the person, his/her cloths and everything else is fine LOL. Sounds like a poorly written script from a sci-fi movie.

a reply to: karl 12

Another very interesting thread.

I am much indebted to you for the Hanson interview which was new to me.

Very fascinating stuff, and the sheer volume of it boggles the mind.

I have answered a number of times about UFOs and aliens that my thoughts on the subject came down to aliens being far, far in advance of our technology. Especially faster than light travel.
But I am fast becoming enamoured of the parallel universes. I come to this to explain the disappearances like put forward by David Paulides, the happening of the Skinwalker Ranch, cattle and human mutilations. All of these lend them to being an instantaneous events, ie. a "portal" opening and closing. Therefore there needs to be no travelling to or from the Earth.
With the aliens having control of the mechanism for manipulating these portals.

IMHO...time travel is impossible --- at least I hope it is --- because it's just not the way of the Universe.

I prefer the interstellar space traveler analogy.... that is --- for any humanoid/dinosauroid biped ET alien races out there.

a reply to: shawmanfromny

There has been no back engineered alien, extra dimensional or time traveling craft...period. its all human.

Regarding Davies et al and the oft linked report he did for the military. Ever think they paid him to do a report since hes not in on it and is in the public sector, to see what the public sectors level of understanding or knowledge is regarding how these things work. That they then read the report and went oh good, the public still haven't got a clue and are grasping at straws and unfeasible concepts. Yay our technological secrets can enjoy the security of at least another decade of not being chanced upon by public institutions.

Ever considered that the ufo propulsion fields as a biproduct also effect the way brains function leading to discrepancies in the perception of time, cognitive thinking, potential motor function paralysis and even hallucinations to a degree. And that when coupled with strong time gradients (also a biproduct) you do experience a combo of the above along with mild time distortion. They arent traveling through time although time may be different inside the drive field.

Also, would be interesting if much of the above effects are nearly non existent in close range observers these days. As if what caused it, like say a component in the drive core, has been upgraded with newer technology that does the same function but doesn't have the side effects.

a reply to: karl 12

originally posted by: BASSPLYR
Excellent thread. Time distortion is just a biproduct of their propulsion field. Its strongest at the extremities of the field.

interesting theory, like interference patterns? ala the double slit experiment.


ETA: their field interacting with the natural surrounding amplifying the effects of the crafts distortion


as fas as the US or whoever else back engineering so called ET/IDT/UT craft i find very very dubious. if they are truly ET or interdimensionales i don't think they are flying around in what we would recognize as an air or space craft.

ill use that pascagoula abduction as an example, the 2 men were led into a light where everything was made of light(how they made it sound). the only solid objects were the creatures/robots they encountered.


i imagine if an ET race could get here than they are VERY far removed from us as far as understanding of the universe and the forces in it.

ships seem like a very clunky way of getting around, they would require such vast amounts of power it would be easier to just open a doorway and walk thru it or move the portal around like a camera to look around, maybe some of the orbs people see are such creations. there are reports of sighting at night where a UFO will disappear thru a portal and the observer will see on the other side, a sunny sky.

Karl 12, when did you begin planning to make this thread?

Just curious. Something may have caught my time.