Beyond Bigelow & BAASS, After AATIP and on To the Stars...

originally posted by: Sublant

originally posted by: moebius
a reply to: Crusher

What I see are party balloons, use of known fake footage, willful misinterpretation of flir videos, opinion articles in media, "documentary" series, and, to top it all off, the whole thing is run by intel guys.

Oh, but they've got really incredibly credible witnesses with an incredible story.

Is it good enough for you to believe? Then I guess it can be disclosure for you.

I don't know if this is disclosure or something else. But the people involved have said from the beginning this is a process which will run for a number of years. It is also something which has gotten serious mainstream people like Harry Reid and Chris Mellon talk about craft operated by "others", with a straight face and openly.

I mean for fracks sake, former Senate majority leader.

This is another talking point that I see being spammed all over a different forum. A publicist promoting their company cannot be used to support an argument for credibility. Employees of a company have monetary incentive for success. can you name comparable people that are showing support who have absolutely no involvement with the organization?

Zondo tonight actually made a decent statement criticizing the religious zealots in the Defense Department who wanted to stay away from the “satanic aliens.” He likened them to the ignorant religious bigots in the ME.

I must mention, though, not a particularly great episode.


I hope they can do better but I just don't see how they can other than just creating another series of semi-documentaries detailing second and third person experiences of the past.


I really don't know how they can get any real knowledge when the phenomenon is just too elusive

a reply to: KansasGirl

I understand your frustrations KansasGirl....

Your patiences will be rewarded

a reply to: KansasGirl

I can't give anymore details. This thread is attracting alot of attention.
David Beaty the director of the Nimtz Encounter is over on the other thread with TFT.
Alot of big names in the Ufology field browse this thread and I would rather stay Unidentified

a reply to: celltypespecific

We are mostly anonymous on ATS except those who don't wish to be . So unless you spout it out you will be just fine.

originally posted by: celltypespecific
a reply to: Guest101

Hi GUEST 101,

The author of the video has given me permission to respond to your comment with the below:

"According to Commander Fravor the plane was in autopilot mode only making small adjustments to keep the plane level and flying straight. And it seems to be almost completely level from the time the FLIR was looking 2 degrees L until the end, or certainly from 4 degrees left till it breaks lock at the end. It’s a great point, but I don’t think that such a slight banking would cause the object to move across the front of the aircraft and move 12 degrees so quickly if the object were stationary."

He does not have an account with ATS as of yet....maybe he will make an appearance to address the forum's concerns.

The jet is clearly banking a bit to the right, you can see the horizon tilting a bit to the left in most of the video.
But even if the jet is flying a straight line at the end, the object is to the left of it so the angle at which the jet sees the object will increase as the jet gets nearer. It doesn't even need to be banking for that to happen.

Venezuela is in South America, not Europe. And I wouldn’t trust ANYTHING from the Venezuela Government.a reply to: coursecatalog

a reply to: johnthejedi24

The European ally could be Australia who have been a part of Eurovision song contest for years now. Adolf Hitler wasn't actually a German but originally came from Australia.

I think CC was being sarcastic don't you?

But this whole dog and pony show is getting ridiculous now. Chuffed up fan boys polluting the internet with their ignorant cheer leading stinks of a marketing campaign. All they do is trawl social media all day rejecting anything anyone says negative about TTSA and ignoring ufology prior to 2017 unless Zondo mentions it. Then of course it's real and important.

Look around and what do we see? Iran being blamed for attacking oil tankers in the Persian Gulf. Does anyone seriously think Iran wants to be the new Iraq? When a new generation of weaponry is on the horizon then it's quite often a war is started to use up all the old toys and destabilise nations with lots of oil. Except Saudi Arabia of course. Who buy lots of weapons from the West.

However if people believe disclosure will come via a History Channel show on a Friday night then keep watching the spies!

a reply to: mirageman

I think you mean ‘Austria’ …

The European ally is Belgium I guess.

Back in 1990, the UFO’s there got far more serious attention on Belgian national TV than the Nimitz currently gets on US national TV.

An official press conference was called and shown on national TV in which an operational air force general showed the radar recordings made from an F16 and explained:
O The object was detected visually by police officers, by ground radar, and by airborne radar.
O It showed maneuverability characteristics far beyond the capabilities of conventional aircraft.
O It was seen by many witnesses, hovering completely silent at very low altitudes and different poses.

Something like that is yet to happen in the US..

Did the public see it as Disclosure? No.
Did it lead to panic? No. It basically did not change anything...

I think TTSA will not change anything either, unless they come with very solid proof in terms of multi-sensor data from trusted sources that show without any doubt that these objects are capable of things that are beyond our technological reach. The probability of that happening is close to zero.

You can see a snipped of the Belgian press conference in this video, at 1:48:

a reply to: Guest101

Thanks for sharing guest101

originally posted by: celltypespecific
a reply to: KansasGirl

I can't give anymore details. This thread is attracting alot of attention.
David Beaty the director of the Nimtz Encounter is over on the other thread with TFT.
Alot of big names in the Ufology field browse this thread and I would rather stay Unidentified

For a random scientist who writes like an over excited 12 year old you seem to "know" a lot about what TTSA is doing next and how much attention they are paying to this thread.

a reply to: mirageman

There are more players now, the nimitz thread is the same... They are insulting our intelligence and it does look like we are going to get a disclosure that I feel will involve new technological advancements and a common enemy from out of this world, they say aliens I say BS

Jack Parsons is credited with major advancements in rocket science, I wonder what help he had in these advancements because he was young when exploded himself.... Funny how people like Crowley, Dee and Parsons to name three of the top of the head all had parts to play in the advancements of certain agencies that deal in covert shennnanigans.

British secret service, Mi5, Mi6, CIA, NASA
All have links with Adept occultists


www.woe.edu.pl...
www.amazon.com... ent%20666&qid=1344123577&ref_=sr_1_1&s=books&sr=1-1
en.m.wikipedia.org...(rocket_engineer)

President Trump on UFOs [ABC News Interview]

President Donald Trump said he doesn't particularly believe in unidentified flying objects (UFOs), despite a rise in reports of unidentified aircraft by U.S. Navy pilots. In an exclusive interview with ABC News Chief Anchor George Stephanopoulos this week, the president was asked what he made of the increased [UFO]reports.

"I think it’s probably -- I want them to think whatever they think. They do say, and I've seen, and I’ve read, and I’ve heard. And I did have one very brief meeting on it. But people are saying they’re seeing UFOs. Do I believe it? Not particular," Trump said.

Asked if he thought he would know if there were a case of extraterrestrial life, the president replied, "Well, I think my great pilots would know. Our great pilots would know." "They see things a little bit different from the past. So we’re going to see. We’re watching, and you’ll be the first to know," he continued.

That clears thing up nicely.

a reply to: coursecatalog

DISCLOSURE PRESIDENT!!!!

TRUMP:

Well, I think my great pilots would know. Our great pilots would know." "They see things a little bit different from the past. So we’re going to see. We’re watching, and you’ll be the first to know."

a reply to: Guest101

Looks like it was Italy!!
From TDL:

"What if I was briefed by Italian Intelligence that a UFO shot a military helicopter out of the sky? And there are pics to see... and it’s all for you to see on our next 2 episodes of UNIDENTIFIED on HISTORY CHANNEL"

Ufo shoots down copter

originally posted by: ManyMasks

British secret service, Mi5, Mi6, CIA, NASA
All have links with Adept occultists

www.woe.edu.pl...
www.amazon.com... ent%20666&qid=1344123577&ref_=sr_1_1&s=books&sr=1-1
en.m.wikipedia.org...(rocket_engineer)

In my own research I kept/keep coming across information that demonstrates how saturated--maybe infiltrated is a good word as well--that our IC is with "occulted" players, philosophies, and programs.

At first it seems too bizarre to absorb. I tried to brush it off as an anomaly, a statistical aberration until I couldn't any longer. But it's there and ultimately the conclusion becomes--no matter what we personally make of it--that it's a significant and damn ubiquitous part of the puzzle.

If you dig around on the various "young guns" these subjects also keep popping up. Remote Viewing enthusiasts is one I'm seeing a lot which often, as most here know, suggests deeper connections to the esoteric and is full of IC players. I came to research UFOs and keep finding the occult instead.

a reply to: The GUT

Same here gut, more you look for "alienz" the less you find ! What you do find is even more bizzare in my book. Aliens, would be simpler!

Right I'm off to make a sigil or two....

a reply to: The GUT

Makes you wonder what we don't know doesn't it when you think of the things we know they "were" upto.

a reply to: celltypespecific

Oh boy....

For all those thinking Trump said anything of meaning.