Beyond Bigelow & BAASS, After AATIP and on To the Stars...

originally posted by: celltypespecific
a reply to: Baablacksheep

Here it is.....
a sneak preview of tonight's ground breaking episode!!!

twitter.com...

No joke here...I am beginning to think its TDL who is talking at us here.

Tom, is that you?

It would be good good to split all these major TTSA thread hangers on, into experiencers and the rest, be it non-experiencer... debunkers, pseudo scientists, long-term researchers, intel insiders and the like. There’s clearly a divide.

Yet if you are an experiencer of sightings, abductions, NDEs or OOBEs with craft or other life, then you - and only YOU know what to believe. What you believe in takes many forms but the key is that you have experience.

This hypothetical poll will never happen and would mean nothing to a lot if it did. The nature of forum based discussions will not allow meaningful and quantifiable evidence for obvious reasons. I’ve watched these threads for years now, the same people on all the UFO threads throwing the same rubbish all around, shutting down discussion and using parody to smear anything that resembles progression. Doesn’t matter who or what it is (calling out the greatest minds of the field like Vallee). It’s taken down. Did you set out to be that kind of person in this field?

So have you had an experience or not?

Why are you in this game if you expect someone other then the US and it’s officials to get the word, any word, out? The USAF has had a program for shuttling US and Russian scientists together to share info on meta-materials, space based military advancement, quantum behaviour and atmospheric communication techniques for decades here in the UK. I have first hand witness of it, and documentation. But it’s not going to be the UK that does it, believe me.

Go ahead, keep on Photoshopping black t-shirts and snarky commemts onto comic book styled photos you’ve stolen. Way to go.

Decently produced production. But not exceptional.

But still, it’s a fraud on the concept of disclosure

It seems it’s a propaganda attempt to convince people that UFOs are real.

Something everybody in this thread and many people already know one way or the other.

Now they’ll go into ufo history and go over well-known episodes and tell many of us what we already know.

Fine, maybe new folks into ufology will be educated

But this is NOT disclosure of any kind.

a reply to: Willtell

Very well-done documentary in particular the female pilot.
Only other breaking news was the meeting with senators.

originally posted by: celltypespecific
a reply to: zazzafrazz

I understand your point...However, I am not too interested in the Ufology gossip, drama, backbiting, and pettiness

What gossip are you referring to?
What pettiness?
be specific, don't come in here waving insults at people by belittling them implying we are nothing more than old village women gossiping because we don't cheer along with your glorification of TTSA.
Who is gossiping>? You are dismissing the decades of research people have done because it either doesn't support your narrative or because you can't be bothered to read up on it. The Shiny History Channel show and 130 character tweets are way easier huh?
You literally did a cheerleader pom pom chant implying TTSA are the saviors of disclosure and the only valid research point for UFOlogy.
TTSA is NOT the inception of this field, it may be yours, but not most others here.
Some of that group historically were involved in deliberate hoaxing of the topic.

Please analyze the DATA presented then make an assessment. I think we both agree that the UFO/UAP is a real phenomena...

Incredibly smart people here, smarter than you or I have been analyzing data for decades.
TTSA have presented nothing new, ok? Nimitz was posted here years before TDL ...

Research.

originally posted by: firesnake

Yet if you are an experiencer of sightings, abductions, NDEs or OOBEs with craft or other life, then you - and only YOU know what to believe. What you believe in takes many forms but the key is that you have experience.

The best 'experiencer' is someone who questions their own experience from every angle rather than immediately deciding what to believe. A non-experiencer will provide an objective balance, but that also doesn't mean that one party has greater merit than the other.

Go ahead, keep on Photoshopping black t-shirts and snarky comments onto comic book styled photos you’ve stolen. Way to go.

May it continue forever more. If any subject needs nay DEMANDS a healthy sense of humour, THIS is it.

a reply to: celltypespecific

I think it could be a good production of retelling UFO experiences and maybe they’ll spread the idea of UFO legitimacy something men like Jacques Vallee and other credible ufologists have been trying to do for a long time.

If this is just the beginning of the idea of government acceptance of it, that may be a good thing.

IF it’s a good thing to find out about UFOs, that is.

Actually, that hasn’t been established

Whether it’s a good thing

a reply to: firesnake

Firesnake, chill out. People here joke around but don’t think they are stupid.
It’s all in jest when that’s done, the mild mockery, no harm intended.
The serious criticism is legitimate and based on well researched and thought out information and critical analyses.
The interest here is to find the truth with competent and legitimate intent.

UFOs may be a force that’s basically NONE OF OUR GODDAM business


It’s been such a battle by great ufologists like Vallee and Hynek and, many others, Jenny Randals for instance. They have been battling to get the governments to take it seriously and that has sucked up all the oxygen of ufology and we haven’t even thought about whether it's wise to even bother.

Let me explain that.
I know it makes sense on the surface to examine such an intrusion. But let’s be real. No UFO has EVER really done any damage to the human race that I know of; even the supposed abductions are still controversial and not universally established as fact.

What we do know of this phenomenon is that it is probably way ahead of us in technology. And that no government has ever remotely penetrated the veil of this phenomenon.

In other words all our desire to know may be misplaced. It may be we don’t have the capacity to know

I’ve always thought it presumptuous of science-based ufologists like Vallee to presume that his vaunted scientific method has the capacity to know what this is.

Indeed it may be we don’t have the capacity, however great these scientists think they are.

In other words, the bottom line; we may not know what we're getting into to know the truth regarding this phenomenon.

So understanding the above, to know something from the standpoint of ignorance may be a perilous venture. It may not be, of course, but it might be a Pandora’s Box we don’t want to open up.

a reply to: zazzafrazz

I have done my research....it was posted by "the final theory" on ATS....
Interestingly enough when you google "The Final Theory" you would be very very surprised as to what comes up.
Additionally my background is in research.

Gossip and pettiness was not in reference to you or anyone on ATS.....please don't take offense it was not directed at anyone here. I respect you experience time and efforts into the subject.

When you make claims like

TTSA have presented nothing new, ok?

Thats when I get annoyed because it simple is not a true statement. You are being blined by your emotional bias agains TTSA which is fine....The truth is the truth facts are facts.....you will see...

originally posted by: Willtell
a reply to: celltypespecific



IF it’s a good thing to find out about UFOs, that is.

Actually, that hasn’t been established

Whether it’s a good thing

This is an interesting point....can you please expand...what do you mean whether its a good thing ...

a reply to: zazzafrazz

Why is the navy patenting unconventional spacecraft propulsion systems....

patents.google.com...

a reply to: celltypespecific

Thats when I get annoyed because it simple is not a true statement. You are being blined by your emotional bias agains TTSA which is fine....The truth is the truth facts are facts.....you will see...

What emotional bias are you referring to?

I'll wait for your reply.

I will say....Watching the show now, I previously had a fairly neutral attitude to seeing what they came up with but tbh your over the top promotional attempts in the last couple of days here have left me disliking it from the opening credits.
Sorry but you specifically have put me off this show more than I would have been had I not seen these "Ra ra ra We HEART YOU TTSA" kind of posts from you.

Focus on the message....not the messengers. Don't look a gift horse in the mouth... Don't cut off your nose to spite the face.... Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.....
Listen most of us don't care about their backgrounds. FACT...TTSA has moved the field of ufology forward more than any other ufologist group has done in the past 20 years.
THIS is the first time the NYT, WASH POST, Politico, etc are seriously covering UFO's GIVE TTSA CREDIT!!!! FACT....The Navy is changing there reporting guidelines in due part to TTSA...Give TTSA CREDIT!!! FACT.... Congressional members and higher officials in military are meeting with pilots ....Give TTSA CREDIT!! FACT.... Because of TTSA EVERYONE is talking about UFOs/UAPs....Give TTSA CREDIT!!

Hope you aren't their social media promoter, you are having a reverse effect lol.

a reply to: celltypespecific

What comes up that is surprising without wading through never ending info? I don't have time to waste as am sure many others may be feel the same here. Please get to the point of what is surprising. Thanks.

a reply to: zazzafrazz

Im not feeling warm and fuzzy either .

originally posted by: celltypespecific

originally posted by: Willtell
a reply to: celltypespecific



IF it’s a good thing to find out about UFOs, that is.

Actually, that hasn’t been established

Whether it’s a good thing

This is an interesting point....can you please expand...what do you mean whether its a good thing ...

Well, you could read the long post above.

I’ll say this. Since we haven’t as of yet remotely penetrated the phenomenon we just don’t know whether it’s wise to mess with it.

Very simple. Suppose we start messing with the phenomenon and it doesn’t like it. And retaliates.

I don’t advocate we do not seek it out but anything that one doesn’t know its nature is always a possibility of being overtaken with something beyond our ability to deal with

What’s behind the curtain of our ignorance? Maybe something we can’t deal with.
I’m not saying that’s the case, but the fact is we don’t know.

a reply to: zazzafrazz

I have no idea what I did to upset/offend you...once again I sincerely apologize seriously...
I did not mean to offend or upset you.
Have a wonderful night

And welcome to the new AD era!!

(After Disclosure)

I hear what you say zazzafrazz,

I’m kind of sensitive to this since years ago I had a horrible experience in a wild forum over a Buddhist sect being severely, abused by supposed mainstream Buddhists that turned so nasty, so ugly, It was one of the worst experiences I had in my life it got so bad! It was certainly the worst I’ve had on this internet, and I'm a tough guy, or at least I thought I was tough. It was the sectarians( a small Buddhist sect) WERE PILED ON BY THE MOB AND BOY IT WAS UGLY!

It was like seeing a mass murder! Or a gang rape and the victim got loose and retaliated. This forum had no guidelines, you could practically threaten murder and they didn't care.

Of course, I know that won't happen here but I am sensitive to a person being outnumbered by the majority because of that ugly experience.

I would let the newcomer have a little space. Let him have his religious type devotion as long as he understands to be civil, as we have here I think always been civil.

Of course, that's just a suggestion...

If he really bothers you then that's something that's none of my business and you get to deal with as you like.

a reply to: Willtell

You'll never see a gang up from most of the people here who aren't that precious that they need group think to exist here. Actually most are dedicated researchers, believers, de-bunkers... all valuable in their contributions, proven over a decade of posting here, please don't even allude to that Wit

I do however have the right of reply to comments like :
"FACT: TTSA has moved the field of ufology forward more than any other ufologist group has done in the past 20 years. "

Actually a repository like ATS has done more for UFOology imo.

a reply to: celltypespecific

You didn't upset me, I am replying to you that your TTSA cheer squad posts coincidentally starting just before the new show, is off putting and came off as antagonizing.

I am also replying to you that if you think TTSA and their Spook infested alumni are agenda free and going to deliver us disclosure, that is not true and only someone who has been researching this since that popular date of 2017 would possibly say something like that.

They have not done more than anyone else in this field. Who do you think kept this information from the public to start with? the very people and their predecessors who you claim are going to disclose it.