Beyond Bigelow & BAASS, After AATIP and on To the Stars...

a reply to: pigsy2400

Very well said.

originally posted by: pigsy2400

Sorry they didn't release it, oh they did, wait; wasn't that the navy, No it was Lue he got permission didn't he, oh wait no he didn't, Naughty Big Beautiful Lue!!!!

I'm also officially confused Pigsy - is John Schuessler's statement about gun camera footage still then officially correct or have officials officially released any?

"Military aircraft gun cameras have filmed thousands of UFOs, according to pilot reports; however, not one frame of gun camera film has ever been released."

John Schuessler

link

Cheers.

Curiouser and curiouser.

Zondo long time ago (but obviously not his salad days) said the DoD released for

...exactly why the reason for the request was made. So it was completely on the up and up

So they were for an internal database about UAV's balloons and UAS.

.....He also said the 3 videos went through a foreign disclosure review.



Here we have the Deputy Chief of Naval Operations for Information Warfare nonetheless telling us Zondo has broken their rules.....

USE OF NON-PUBLIC INFORMATION:

Even though you have left Government service, you still may not use non-public information to further your own private interests, or those of another, including your subsequent employer.....

ogc.osd.mil...

Yet they don't seem to be bothered. He's obviously no Edward Snowden. But rules are rules and if we are to believe the hype Zondo and Tom have been doing the rounds in Washington briefing all sorts of politicians and top brass as well. All mixed in with the refusal of TTSA to answer for themselves instrad letting their army of social meme engineers carry the fight.

Clearly this is a high stakes game with powerful forces.

a reply to: pigsy2400

Hi Pigsy,
I am not sure how to respond...I took a major internet break for several months.... This is my first week back on this site.
I still believe that the TECH is ours. There will be no disclosure this year as I predicted several months ago. We all know that TTSA is a CIA front group...its pretty obvious. Just waiting for another video to drop.....

a reply to: Arbitrageur
Point well taken Arbitrageur.

a reply to: mirageman

Bound for moo moo land.. The land were the cow somes from. Sirius.

originally posted by: celltypespecific

I still believe that the TECH is ours.

So, I take it you are thanking Big Beautiful Lue for instigating a long-needed database for UAVs (the official classification for those videos - ie, drones, balloons, quadcopters etc)?

If so, I concur whole-heartedly. The fact that they haven't created such a database in the last two decades (especially with the global proliferation of drones) is what beggars belief.

We all know that TTSA is a CIA front group...

Hardly even a "front" - TTSA have publicly championed their merry band of ex-spooks, some of whom are well-versed in counter-intelligence (ie professional liars).

If Beautiful Lue told me the time of day, I'd probably have to check my watch.

a reply to: Arbitrageur

Hi Arby,
I'm still confused about the "aircraft/object" quote from Gradisher.

He's apparently only speaking about the 3 videos, Flir1, Go Fast & Gimbal.

So, which videos show an "aircraft" and which show an "object"?

And if it's been identified as an aircraft doesn't that mean that at least one video doesn't fit the new Navy description of UAP?

a reply to: mirageman

Here we have the Deputy Chief of Naval Operations for Information Warfare nonetheless telling us Zondo has broken their rules.....

Well. If we don't see any business-crippling lawsuits... this might just be part of the info war in form of a more elaborate deflection. It provides a certain leaker-nimbus, which you picked up already with the Snowden comment, and thus he is actually supporting Lue in his efforts to garner sympathy with public opinion.
It's not new news that the majority doesn't trust the gubment, and in this case we even have an info warrior coming forward to make the whole ordeal look as if something was leaked against their will.

Yet they don't seem to be bothered.

And why should they. Negative advertisement is still advertisement, innit? More water on the mills of TTSA, well played! I hate to feel played like a fiddle tho, can't we simply have a few general strikes and put them all into their place? Who's serving whom again?

originally posted by: pigsy2400
a reply to: zazzafrazz

Well the UFOJesus guy was talking about UFO Gun Camera Footage a whole 12 months before TTSA Released the footage of the blobs in the middle of a screen...

Sorry they didn't release it, oh they did, wait; wasn't that the navy, No it was Lue he got permission didn't he, oh wait no he didn't, Naughty Big Beautiful Lue!!!!

Its impossilbe Zazz, I try and use clear and succint language when communicating with loons, crooks, or worse, but the message still gets transformed through the distorted lens of twisted minds.

But thats ATS I guess...

I'm disagreeing with you a wee bit.
ATS seems to be one of the last bastions of sanity since this twitter mob became the PR army of darkness for TTSA... now that's saying something huh

Clearly this is a high stakes game with powerful forces.

Are you talking about 2 parties in the ic? fighting one another?

a reply to: zazzafrazz

NDAs.

originally posted by: IMSAM


Are you talking about 2 parties in the ic? fighting one another?

That would seem to form a part of it as others have alluded to previously. With maybe both sides using social/memetic engineering via third parties and social media to spread deliberate disinformation and perception management memes.

There are clear rules once people like Elizondo, Semivan and Mellon should follow after leaving government service.

According to the DoD's own rules for employees who have left government service....

REPRESENTATIONAL RESTRICTIONS AFTER LEAVING DOD (18 U.S.C. § 207)

A.Personal Participation: Lifetime Representational Ban

SIMPLIFIED RULE: After you leave Government service, you may not represent someone else to the Government regarding particular matters that you worked on while in Government service.

RULE: A former Government officer or employee may not knowingly, with the intent to influence, make any communication to or appearance before an employee of the Executive or Judicial branches of the U.S. Government, on behalf of another person or entity in connection with a particular matter involving a specific party or parties, in which the officer or employee participated personally and substantially while employed as a Government employee and in which the United States is a party or has a direct and substantial interest.
..........

Use of Nonpublic Information: Even though you have left Government service, you still may not use nonpublic information to further your own private interests, or those of another, including your subsequent employer.

Seems to me if you watched their TV show that TTSA have been lobbying people in the Pentagon and on Capitol Hill and quite clearly putting out non-public information via the 3 videos released.

Maybe these rules don't apply of course due to various exceptions. Or maybe investigations are in progress and we won't hear about them for a while?

But it looks like a game is being played and the ufo community with it.

a reply to: mirageman



Really interesting,Whats more interesting is that vallee has written a kinda similar story a few years ago in his fiction book "fastwalker" . Ill post some excerpts which might or might not be relevant.Really good book too. The tldr is some infighting in IC for the release or not of ufos,among things.Whats even more interesting is why a fiction book.When was the last time he wrote fiction?In any case im hypothesizing here and conspirating. In this book Theres a peter fellow who is a journalist and will break that ufos are real etc etc.wont write more just in case someone wants to read it

"Suppose you could make a lot of people believe that we were about to be invaded by extraterrestrials. It's a simple idea. Anybody can grasp it. You'd start with the elite, the intellectuals, the artists.

Gradually you'd have the media spreading the imagery ... People like you, Peter."

"It wouldn't work. The media doesn't have that much power. Basically, we're just entertainers. The scientists would always remain skeptical." The man shrugged, dismissing the notion. "Who cares about them? Scientists don't shape public opinion. They've contradicted themselves too many times, they confuse everybody. In a world of mutual assured destruction, where war has become impossible, something has to replace weapon development. Something has to keep the economy going, the people in line, the populace in its place.

They have to fear something, right? Otherwise you'll end up with ungovernable chaos. Look at Bosnia. Look at Africa. Look at what's left of the USSR, for heaven's sake!" "So you would engineer a whole new source of fear. Is that what you are saying? Fear of aliens from the end of the galaxy?" "Exactly. Our Gods always come and go in the sky, don't they? The dragons of China, the Pillar of Fire, the Virgin Mary. Even Jesus. In every culture.

Except that in this century the old gods have trouble impressing the techno-wizards. They're not very credible. They can't just send us the old dreams and visions. Burning bushes don't fool anybody any more. We need to build a whole new Pantheon. That's where E.T. comes in." "And those guys, the geniuses within the Intelligence community, you believe they thought of that back in 1953?

elsewhere in the book we got this too

"What if the UFOs really exist? Nuts-and-bolts machines? What if the government had actually captured some hardware?"

"There is no proof of any of that."

"What if they did?"

"Then it would be even more horrible than anything I have told you. My speculations would be mere ramblings, the babbling of a child."

"You would believe in conspiracies, then?"

"Hiding a real UFO would demand the ultimate conspiracy." "And the prize?" "The ultimate prize, Peter. Planetary control. But of course ... "

"Of course what?"

"To catch the prize, eventually they would have to produce the evidence. Or get somebody to produce it for them." It was a phrase Peter would ponder often in the next few days.

a reply to: IMSAM

its nice to see someone referring to Fastwalker...his previous work prior to this is just as interesting / intriguing

In reference to the excerpts that you posted, its almost like Vallee had the inside track many years ago on all of this, that or he is just a very insightful person. I would hazard a guess that its probably a little bit of both...

a reply to: pigsy2400



Indeed i believe that vallee has some privy knowledge that he acquired in his youth days. In the book he also totally discards cropcircles as the effects of microwave technology.Lately he is on the trail of apports from ufos or metamaterials as vogue dictates.

With that said he leaves breadcrumbs in his forbidden diaries series but im bamboozled as to the why or for whom.Like he wants to say stuff but cant.Ndas? maybe,threatened at some point?likely, chasing windmills? possible.

I agree with most of what he says and i hope this site calls him for an AmA. My beef with amas though is that not all questions are answered. In any case he does research on metamaterials and will post his findings soon.


Also i ll say it will be quite the plot twist if at some point in the future we learn that he works-worked for the IC in some way or another.Just a hunch thats nagging me


Ps tell me fastwalker isnt the second book,because i didnt know that alintel existed.IS alintel the first book in the series?

Removed.

a reply to: IMSAM

Alintel is practically the same book. Valle wrote the novel in French first.

When it he was putting the book out in English he worked with TV writer (and son of singer Mel Torme) Tracy Torme to do an English version and punch up the dialogue.

a reply to: coursecatalog

That's not quite correct, but not far off. There was an english version of Alintel in the early 80s. It has some key differences such as the radio packet network and the nature of the aliens is quite different.

a reply to: coursecatalog

I should add that it was never published in English, and I don't own the files pictured from Robert K. Weiss, but I've read enough, and the french version to know the differences with FastWalker. For instance, the slate black laptop computer with wireless ARPAnet access, voice activation, battery powered, with a camera that Alintel uses is to be found nowhere in Fastwalker or Stratagem.

AlIntel is a good book. I prefer it to the others.

The use of a Dolby theatre to simulate alien encounters is down right disturbing.

a reply to: IMSAM

Also i ll say it will be quite the plot twist if at some point in the future we learn that he works-worked for the IC in some way or another....

Wouldn't it just?

It is sometimes said that "You're known by the company you keep."

But maybe the 'company' keeps you?