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originally posted by: TheConstruKctionofLight
a reply to: suruptileous
Today, it is common practice for the dead in purgatory to obtain indulgence from God through the Catholic Church for remission of the temporal punishment due to sins whose guilt has already been forgiven (C.C.C., X. Indulgences). So, in other words, the Catholic Church intervenes for the individual by asking Father God, who stores up our good works, to apply some of them in lieu of punishment due to sins. But these indulgences are limited to those who die in the communion of saints. Although, falling short of the glory of Christ, this is a good example of atonement being made for the dead in the afterlife by offering up good works.
Sounds convoluted - doing good works to try to convince a sometimes forgiving god, to go easy on someone in purgatory ?
I may as well do some good works for random strangers and store some credit for them...
In conclusion, this, my friends, is the most loving thing you can do for these poor, lost souls.
How are they lost? Doesn't the god of all "knowingness" know whats in their hearts. How many times must someone be punished?
Catholic theology combined with your
What I say is true, it has been revealed to me by both Jesus Christ and Father God.
must makes it true?
originally posted by: TheConstruKctionofLight
a reply to: suruptileous
sigh - I've had these discussions with others before - ya know like Genesis ch 1.
Free will ....
and BTW you're advocating a type of "black magic" in interfering with whats going with other souls in a "non biblical" purgatory. But I doubt you'll see the bigger picture.
You're the one that said it: "So you are a fanatic, its my way or the high way?"
No, not my own interpretation.
I have the Holy Spirit guiding me, as well as I check my understanding against several sources.
I will certainly admit to not knowing God's full intention of meaning all of the time, especially when HIs meanings are deeper with the more knowledge that we gain as believers as a whole, as well as individually.
The Bible is an historical document, it is also the living word of God, it is our guide and it is current events and prophecy. It's not a dusty book of just ancient texts.
Then we can discuss this. Have a great day!
I'm still willing to discuss anything with you, but you're going to have to stop with the attacks, trying to twist my words, and with the negative slant.
Is this how you talk to family? I think we could get along really well if the attitude just eased up a bit.
Are you a believer?
Because maybe you just don't like Christians?
And if you're not a believer why are you even discussing this?
I never said I even believe in purgatory.
Today, it is common practice for the dead in purgatory toobtain indulgence from God through the Catholic Church for remission of the temporal punishment due to sins whose guilt has already been forgiven (C.C.C., X. Indulgences). So, in other words, the Catholic Church intervenes for the individual by asking Father God, who stores up our good works, to apply some of them in lieu of punishment due to sins. But these indulgences are limited to those who die in the communion of saints. Although, falling short of the glory of Christ, this is a good example of atonement being made for the dead in the afterlife by offering up good works.
originally posted by: TheConstruKctionofLight
a reply to: suruptileous
I never said I even believe in purgatory.
Well you sure made efforts to blend it into your story
you wrote
Today, it is common practice for the dead in purgatory toobtain indulgence from God through the Catholic Church for remission of the temporal punishment due to sins whose guilt has already been forgiven (C.C.C., X. Indulgences). So, in other words, the Catholic Church intervenes for the individual by asking Father God, who stores up our good works, to apply some of them in lieu of punishment due to sins. But these indulgences are limited to those who die in the communion of saints. Although, falling short of the glory of Christ, this is a good example of atonement being made for the dead in the afterlife by offering up good works.
It served as a good example.
originally posted by: TheConstruKctionofLight
a reply to: suruptileous
It served as a good example.
Or you're wasting our time trolling us with your "word salad" faux theology.
originally posted by: hiddeninsite
a reply to: suruptileous
Those are Old Testament books. Jesus did away with sin offerings. All one has to do is accept Jesus as their savior before they die and all is well.
There is nothing a human can do, otherwise the point of Jesus dying for every single human being after his death is of no point.
originally posted by: hiddeninsite
a reply to: suruptileous
This verse is referring to the Jewish high priest. They were still offering sacrifices as Jesus was still alive at that time. This high priest was chosen by the people to represent them and to atone for their sins. It is a comparison of how a human is posing as someone worthy to offer the sacrifice (of animal) to God to wash people of their sins.
This verse is explaining (again - you have to take the context of the prior and after sentences, the paragraph) (in order to understand the whole meaning) that Jesus was as tempted as any human, more so in fact and that he would be the perfect sacrifice when the time came.