Censorship on this board has gotten out of hand........

People don't eat at resturants that serve food they don't like. The same holds true in forums. As William has pointed out before, if someone is not getting the attention they crave they will leave. The people who post here, all have the freedom choice. By using this choice wisely everyone here can and will guide the AST forum to it's intended nature.

Originally posted by Abraham Virtue
Sorry to be so harsh with the Nazi thing. But if you accept that this man who tried to reveal some so-called truth should be banned then you are a fascist. Maybe not a Nazi, but definately a fascist.

Did I say that?? Show me where...

You can't prove that this guy was wrong or right. Therefore you shouldn't go off saying that he was posting false information.

Again...DID I SAY THIS?? Show me where. YOU made the claim, now YOU back it up...

This IS a conspiracy site you know??? And on conspiracy sites there are things that wouldn't be accepted on other sites. However this place seems to be an exception.

Yes...this IS a Conspiracy Website...its certainly NOT some immature kindergarten playground where we're gonna put up with people abusing the hell out of eachother. THATS the reason the thread gets locked...

This place seems to punish conspiracies that are not in agreement with those that control the sites. That is wrong and you know it.

Over-reaction I think...again the assumption I'm acting against what you supposedly think I know to be best

And another thing. My demands for censorship were different from this situation and you know it.

No difference at all...censorship is censorship is censorhsip...AND YOU KNOW IT...

This censorship is about info, not insults.

Sorry...I censor due to insults...thought I'd already made that clear...

Unlike the situation I encountered. So burn me for caring about someone's feelings. Cause you already have, you might as well finish the job.

Please man...take yourself down of that cross...no one is trying to crucify you here...






Peace,
ALIEN

No, Abe, I can't see that..

It's not there to be seen. This is a forum to talk about things most people consider crazy in a way that makes them look NOT crazy. It's not a public area as much as it's like a journal or newpaper's 'letters' section. Just as journals have the right to pass over publishing materials that do not meet their standards, or which are non related to their general topics, so, too, do mods and admins have the right to delete off topic threads that are designed just to infuriate people.

Originally posted by dragonrider
Ahem...

One of the TOU states that members will not knowingly post known false information. The member in question was doing so.

Now as far as equating me with fascist Nazis, I have some personal experience there... At the age of 16 some young KKK members from Vidor Texas tried to lynch me from a tree branch with clothes line.

So, I know what the Nazis are about. There are no Nazis on this board.

AV, I suggest you go chill out before you bust a vein or something

Sorry to hear about that run in with those haters Dragon. I think that many people here have had experiences with REAL Nazis, and those were not good ones. I being just one of those people. So I will stop the Nazi thing if it hurts so many people. It was merely used for effect. I don't think that anyone is a Nazi here but I do think that many of you are being rash and unfair.

I understand that you can't knowingly post false info. Yet I know that the info posted was not knowingly known to be false. At least not yet. I have asked those who think it is to prove so, and they have not been able to do so as of yet. So please. Do so, or give up and admit that you are wrong.



Love,
Abe

The moral of this story is: Pick your fights wisely.

Originally posted by alien

Originally posted by Abraham Virtue
Sorry to be so harsh with the Nazi thing. But if you accept that this man who tried to reveal some so-called truth should be banned then you are a fascist. Maybe not a Nazi, but definately a fascist.

Did I say that?? Show me where...

You can't prove that this guy was wrong or right. Therefore you shouldn't go off saying that he was posting false information.

Again...DID I SAY THIS?? Show me where. YOU made the claim, now YOU back it up...

This IS a conspiracy site you know??? And on conspiracy sites there are things that wouldn't be accepted on other sites. However this place seems to be an exception.

Yes...this IS a Conspiracy Website...its certainly NOT some immature kindergarten playground where we're gonna put up with people abusing the hell out of eachother. THATS the reason the thread gets locked...

This place seems to punish conspiracies that are not in agreement with those that control the sites. That is wrong and you know it.

Over-reaction I think...again the assumption I'm acting against what you supposedly think I know to be best

And another thing. My demands for censorship were different from this situation and you know it.

No difference at all...censorship is censorship is censorhsip...AND YOU KNOW IT...

This censorship is about info, not insults.

Sorry...I censor due to insults...thought I'd already made that clear...

Unlike the situation I encountered. So burn me for caring about someone's feelings. Cause you already have, you might as well finish the job.

Please man...take yourself down of that cross...no one is trying to crucify you here...






Peace,
ALIEN

What ever. If you are going to say that you don't feel the way I may have implied that you felt than I will accept that as the truth you are trying to convey.

If you are going to insist on arguing with me over my intentions on censoring some ignorant about his abusive words then please just accept that I am not willing to go there. I have burned enough bridges for the sake of freedom. I don't need to burn one for the sake of my own pride. So you win. You are right, I am wrong. I am a jerk for telling a guy that he shouldn't insult a woman. I am also a fascist for telling the staff that they should take action over the so-called abuse that was given. Yes I am a hater and I want to make everyone suffer. Happy????


Love,
Abraham

Why is there language censorship? Our speech is limited on ATS? Where we can't say a bad word without it being changed to something different. This forum is a majority of just about all adults, or people who will soon be adults. So why can't we swear? We're talking about serious topics and no swearing? We shouldn't have our speech limited, specially not on ATS.....

Originally posted by onlyinmydreams
No, Abe, I can't see that..

It's not there to be seen. This is a forum to talk about things most people consider crazy in a way that makes them look NOT crazy. It's not a public area as much as it's like a journal or newpaper's 'letters' section. Just as journals have the right to pass over publishing materials that do not meet their standards, or which are non related to their general topics, so, too, do mods and admins have the right to delete off topic threads that are designed just to infuriate people.

I can accept that the topic that guy started was somewhat controversal and may have made a few people mad. Yet if they can't handle the heat then they should get out of the kitchen. No one is forcing them to believe anything. However someone is forcing others NOT to believe something. Well not really forcing them not to believe. But NOT allowing them the chance to believe. Now do you see where the freedoms are lost??? Now do you get it????

Love,
Abe

Originally posted by Abraham Virtue
If you are going to insist on arguing with me over my intentions on censoring some ignorant about his abusive words then please just accept that I am not willing to go there. I have burned enough bridges for the sake of freedom. I don't need to burn one for the sake of my own pride. So you win. You are right, I am wrong. I am a jerk for telling a guy that he shouldn't insult a woman. I am also a fascist for telling the staff that they should take action over the so-called abuse that was given. Yes I am a hater and I want to make everyone suffer. Happy????

Christ man...there you go again with the Martyr trip...no one called you a facist, no one called you a hater...no one thinks (well, I certainly don't) that you want people to suffer...why the insistence on taking anything and exploding it into Ungodly proportions in an attempt to make out that you are being persecuted...

...mate...I thought I was bad at that being a Catholic and all... By the way...thats humour...


Peace,
ALIEN

This sort of topic has come up before with simular intensity. And the result is always the same. Valid points are made, but to argue just for arguements sake is pointless. To review "Terms And Conditions Of Use" follow Link provided.

Conditions were violated, simple as that. To argue the point is what brings us to this...

Then it is settled?!?!?!?

We have no regrets and we have no problems with one another right???

That is my point. I am not trying to argue. I care not if you think my desire to censor that one issue was wrong, just as you care not if I think that your forms of censorship were wrong. (Maybe not your's but somebody's.)

So we are in agreement right???

Originally posted by Fury
bah, you just want to say #.

lol, see! Damn censorship!.....

# # ass

[Edited on 7-7-2003 by 10DeadInside10]

Originally posted by Abraham Virtue
Then it is settled?!?!?!?

We have no regrets and we have no problems with one another right???

That is my point. I am not trying to argue. I care not if you think my desire to censor that one issue was wrong, just as you care not if I think that your forms of censorship were wrong. (Maybe not your's but somebody's.)

So we are in agreement right???

Yeah...sweet as man...lets grab a beer, or an iced water or something...heck, I could get ya one from our kitchen tap (faucet) here, as its now a chilling 2 degrees Celcius outside and we're looking at -1 overnight


Peace,
ALIEN

aww,
I love it when a plan comes together...

Thats all AV, have a cold beer or a nice stiff drink, take a deep breath, and forget about it. There has to be some kind of moderating on ATS or it would be complete out-of-control chaos like alot of other discussion forums and thats one of the things that makes ATS so appealing, that its organized.

AV, how many "conspiracies" have we seen come and go since we've been on here and in the end they always turn out to be nothing. Deleting that user was a judgement call and you just have to trust that the admin/mod's have the best interests of the members in mind.

Originally posted by ProudAmerican
Thats all AV, have a cold beer or a nice stiff drink, take a deep breath, and forget about it. There has to be some kind of moderating on ATS or it would be complete out-of-control chaos like alot of other discussion forums and thats one of the things that makes ATS so appealing, that its organized.

AV, how many "conspiracies" have we seen come and go since we've been on here and in the end they always turn out to be nothing. Deleting that user was a judgement call and you just have to trust that the admin/mod's have the best interests of the members in mind.

Proud American:

Thanks for your calm remarks. I am chillin now. I don't trust the judgement made but that doesn't mean I can't live here in peace. I was just trying to make a point and back it up. Now that it seems to be over, well I am content. Thanks for your comments and your service to the boards.




Love,
Abraham

Originally posted by Abraham Virtue
William has told me that he has admitted that he was joking, but William also told me not to tell anyone this. I can only wonder why. Maybe because he is a liar. Want to try and prove me wrong??? Go ahead. See what happens.

THIS HAS GONE TOO FAR!


I have neither the time or desire to continue to coddle your twisted sense of persecution.

You are no longer allowed to post on this forum until I receive an intelligent, lucid U2U from you regarding your behavior and apologizing for going against a direct request of forum Administration.

I was able to determine Kowalski's AIM SN and had a brief chat with him. Not knowing who I was, he admitted the ruse on ATS was all a joke "he and his mates" were playing. I placed a posting ban on Kowalski, and sent a U2U asking him if he would like to stop the nonsense and become a regular adult member of ATS, if so, I would remove the ban.

But no, that private opportunity to save face and become a member is now lost thanks to Abraham Virtue. Not only is he incapable of not turning a simple event into a grand scheme of twisted censorship and conspiracy, he is not able to be trusted with a minor request.

and...

I TAKE EXTREME OFFENSE TO YOUR WORDS ABOUT FORUM STAFF!

This thread will not be locked or removed, it will remain for all to see.

This is dreadful, I have never known anything like it.

I'm normally not one to get involved, but everyone seems to be at each others throats. It's horrid.

Well, there goes all the paranoia.

What conspiracy?

Abraham Virtue, you're blowing a fuse.

The ATS staff is NOT nazi. The staff just do what he has to do to protect the site and his members.

You have a terrible maturity problem.

Try to cool down.