Andrew Yang 2020 candidate on Joe Rogan

a reply to: projectvxn

I don't see profit sharing with people who had no direct contact with production being a popular idea. EDIT: Especially with decentralized manufacturing on the rise.

ahhhh yes exactly, a transnational profit share. honestly I can't believe business owners aren't offering profit sharing to their consumers already, imagine if Uber allowed you to contribute to a profit sharing account with every transaction?

I thought of this like 10 seconds ago figured you would bring it up but I agree crypto is perfect for this

a reply to: toysforadults

Why are Chinese people so smart? Whether or not you agree with Andrew Yang's policy positions, you have to admire how intelligent he is on the topics he talks about.

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originally posted by: dfnj2015

originally posted by: projectvxn
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I'm very familiar with how it works.

Read the sources that I used in that essay. This isn't new to me.

My problem with your way of thinking is it will most likely result in the return of communism for reasons I stated in my post.

I propose an ownership society that respects private property.

You have no idea what you're talking about.

I completely agree with you here, if you are buying the products you are technically and owner not just a consumer isn't that right????

originally posted by: dfnj2015

originally posted by: projectvxn
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I'm very familiar with how it works.

Read the sources that I used in that essay. This isn't new to me.

My problem with your way of thinking is it will most likely result in the return of communism for reasons I stated in my post.

I can't agree with you on the abolishment of private property

a reply to: toysforadults

YES. Thank you.

Ownership should automatically transfer to the person who buys it. And any PROFIT that can be made from that device belongs to the person who bought it in the first place.

There is no reason this can't be an automated process. If we automate production we MUST automate the means of communicating value. It wouldn't be just one ledger, but an interledger protocol already being built.

The UBI is communism.

That is government taking from one part of the economy and giving to the other while charging a hefty-ass fee to be the middle man.

Most of that fee is paid in liberty.

a reply to: projectvxn

oh I totally get where you are coming from and yes it can be automate

as someone who spends time automating themselves out of the degree I am getting financial transactions are probably the easiest thing to script/ automate (same damn thing)

a reply to: toysforadults

What I describe in my essay is exactly this. As we spread out into our own solar system, the need for decentralized economics will become even greater.

Unfortunately I know how this game works. I'm not on Joe Rogans podcast talking about this vision. We will get a UBI and with it we will get the poverty it promises to bring us while the elite really do rob us to death.

a reply to: toysforadults

I'm half way through the video. It's very interesting. Thank you for posting this thread.

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originally posted by: dfnj2015

originally posted by: projectvxn
a reply to: dfnj2015

I'm very familiar with how it works.

Read the sources that I used in that essay. This isn't new to me.

My problem with your way of thinking is it will most likely result in the return of communism for reasons I stated in my post.

I can't agree with you on the abolishment of private property

If you watched the video, Marx's criticisms of laissez faire capitalism is spot on. It has NOTHING to do with getting rid of private property. Contrary to the propaganda on TV, laissez faire capitalism is not perfect.

a reply to: toysforadults

I agree with Andrew Yang on everything he says so far. Retail jobs and truck driving jobs are going to go away. And his commentary on if 50% to 80% of those jobs going away in the next 5 years we are going to have massive riots and extremist governments come into power. And he's right we have to get ahead of this curve before it becomes the 1930s all over again.

a reply to: projectvxn

yeah there's going to be a very dark period before the light shines through

originally posted by: dfnj2015
a reply to: toysforadults

I agree with Andrew Yang on everything he says so far. Retail jobs and truck driving jobs are going to go away. And his commentary on if 50% to 80% of those jobs going away in the next 5 years we are going to have massive riots and extremist governments come into power. And he's right we have to get ahead of this curve before it becomes the 1930s all over again.

yup, his social commentary is really important

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originally posted by: toysforadults

originally posted by: dfnj2015

originally posted by: projectvxn
a reply to: dfnj2015

I'm very familiar with how it works.

Read the sources that I used in that essay. This isn't new to me.

My problem with your way of thinking is it will most likely result in the return of communism for reasons I stated in my post.

I can't agree with you on the abolishment of private property

If you watched the video, Marx's criticisms of laissez faire capitalism is spot on. It has NOTHING to do with getting rid of private property. Contrary to the propaganda on TV, laissez faire capitalism is not perfect.

I agree. I think the real problem is centralized power/ authority weather it be government, banking, economic is all bad news for the little peeps

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I think you're confusing me for someone who wants to drag old economics forward another century.

I'm trying to make a transition smooth because I understand the technology and the implications involved here. I don't want to be owned by a global government because THEY pay me a wage.

Nothing in my proposal would change the right to private property. In fact, my proposal strengthens GREATLY the concept of ownership of self and ones own property by making the transfer of property non-cohercible. A system that emphasizes the rights individuals have to themselves is the furthest thing away from communism.

What I propose does not remove people from economic participation it STRENGTHENS their stake in the economy as others work to simply pay people off while the elite abscond with prosperity.

Marx is the product of an antiquated economic paradigm that long ago died with him.

originally posted by: toysforadults

originally posted by: dfnj2015

originally posted by: toysforadults

originally posted by: dfnj2015

originally posted by: projectvxn
a reply to: dfnj2015

I'm very familiar with how it works.

Read the sources that I used in that essay. This isn't new to me.

My problem with your way of thinking is it will most likely result in the return of communism for reasons I stated in my post.

I can't agree with you on the abolishment of private property

If you watched the video, Marx's criticisms of laissez faire capitalism is spot on. It has NOTHING to do with getting rid of private property. Contrary to the propaganda on TV, laissez faire capitalism is not perfect.

I agree. I think the real problem is centralized power/ authority weather it be government, banking, economic is all bad news for the little peeps

What irritates me is when people criticize left wing governments as being evil or corrupt. It doesn't matter what type of government you have. Corruption in government occurs in both left-wing and right-wing governments. Corruption is bad. Power corrupts. Power corrupting people is a psychological problem.

Regardless, Andrew Yang's analysis is absolutely spot on. He's a modern day Alvin Toffler!

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You seem like a smart guy. If you watched the video and listened to Andrew Yangs arguments, the problem is not someone like you who has lots of brains. The problem is all the displaced workers who no longer have retail jobs or truck driving jobs. Automation productivity is about to go through the roof. It's being called the 4th Industrial Revolution. We have 320 million people living in this country. With AI you may need 20 million workers to do ALL the work because of robots and productivity gains. Do you think the displaced 150 million workers are just going to sit around broke, hungry, no work, no opportunity, and just allow themselves to starve to death so the problem goes away? I don't think so.

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exactly, his argument is very valid... it's not going to be pretty

a reply to: dfnj2015

You seem like a smart guy.

Oh You

If you watched the video and listened to Andrew Yangs arguments, the problem is not someone like you who has lots of brain.

I am very familiar with Andrew Yang. I respect him greatly but we disagree fundamentally. When he says with regard to automation is 100% spot on. His proposals to somehow "fight back" against it by gouging a state stake on behalf of "the people" is not the answer. I propose working with the system, not against it.

The problem is all the displaced workers who no longer have retail jobs or truck driving jobs.

Not the smart guys like me, but all the dummies? Do you not see how this isn't a proposal for a payoff? Those dummy truck drivers and retail workers are smart enough to know they are being replaced, and they are also smart enough to know when they are being talked down to.

Automation will take my job too.

What if I said a guy could buy an automated rig and make money from his freight haul while he sits at home with his wife and kids? That's what I'm proposing. Ownership NOT payoff.

By the way OP, thank you for this thread. This is definitely a discussion that needs to be had.

Imo, a UBI which replaces all current federal social/welfare will work fine. For the same cost as all current federal social/welfare programs, each U.S. citizen who is over 18 and who doesn't receive a pension, can receive a UBI of @ $1,700 per month, regardless if they have a job or not. A UBI wnich replaces all current federal social/welfare programs can be implemented without raising taxes or touching military spending. People can use their UBI money in the free market on basic needs like housing, food, health insurance and higher education. Criteria can be established to receive consecutive years UBI like a requirement to have health insurance. A UBI can make the federal govemnemt smaller while supporting the free market as long as it replaces all current federal social/welfare programs.