Chicago PD Intend TO CHARGE JUSSIE SMOLLETT IF a false report was filed.

a reply to: UncleTomahawk

From the story in the OP:

CPD has subpoenaed Smollett’s phone records, per a friend on the force. t.co...

— Emily Zanotti (@emzanotti) February 5, 2019

If the Chicago Police Department have indeed secured a subpoena for Smollett's phone records, it means they have enough probable cause to go before a judge and that judge has agreed that there is sufficient cause to issue said subpoena.

originally posted by: carewemust
They will put him in the cage on Homan st. And sweat him good.

The name of the street is enough to cause mass panic 😎

a reply to: jadedANDcynical

Makes sense to me.

A question i have is what good would it do for them to have the phone if they are just looking for record of the call. The phone does not record the call as far as we know.


I very much doubt regardless of his guilt or innocence that he would tell them he made the call unless he did. So really the content of such call or text messages is what will likely prove the case either way.

a reply to: Krakatoa

Anything found outside the scope of that warrant is inadmissible in a court of law and would like result in the case being thrown out on that technicality due to "fruit of the poisoned tree".

Yea that's what trump is hoping to. I do not buy into that thought much anymore since they often charge folks for subsequent findings.

I do agree that it is supposed to work the way you laid it out but......

a reply to: UncleTomahawk

Well, his phone records will show a lot more than whether or not he was on the phone at the time of the alleged assault. It will show who he was on the phone with, for how long, who else he may have called/texted, where he was when each of the prior activities were performed.

The police, with the FBI's help, are also in the process of tracking down exactly where the rope came from. Once they manage that, they can then perhaps get video surveillance from the store from whence it was purchased showing precisely who it was that purchased the rope.

If this turns out to have been a hoax and there was more than one person involved in this, we have a...wait for it...conspiracy.

originally posted by: UncleTomahawk
a reply to: jadedANDcynical

Makes sense to me.

A question i have is what good would it do for them to have the phone if they are just looking for record of the call. The phone does not record the call as far as we know.


I very much doubt regardless of his guilt or innocence that he would tell them he made the call unless he did. So really the content of such call or text messages is what will likely prove the case either way.

The content of the call would not be stored on the phone. However, what is stored are call records of when/where/how long each conversation happens. In addition, those same items (in addition to the IMSI and cell tower to which he was connected at the time) would be stored in the Telcom logs. Those logs require a search warrant to access as well.

If, as he says, he was on the phone at the EXACT time and PLACE while he was attacked, that data is imperative to isolate the exact location and time of the attack. Using that data they can limit the video search to that area, and also question local residents.

However, it could also show that he was NOT in the area he claims, and would prove that his account is false.

nvm Krakatoa pretty much said exactly what I had been typing. Location data saves gobs of taxpayer money looking at unnecessary video feeds as well as precisely narrowing who, where, etc they need to talk to as potential witnesses.

a reply to: Halfswede

Yea from what i hear it would be faster to just ask google about the events. Apparently they track folks very much. There may even be some way to view his tracks via a third party that has bought the info. Maybe not but these days it would not surprise me.


Unless he has some text that prove something i would not get too excited about what location data shows. Surveillance video already shows him in that area and if he did do it himself the data would only show if he spent any time in one area and in either case he would have to have stopped and took time to create the evidence and that would look the same as an altercation likely would.

Short of damning text i see no breaks coming in the case unless he totally was not even talking to his manager or whoever the other person was.

gaytupac

originally posted by: UncleTomahawk
a reply to: Halfswede

Yea from what i hear it would be faster to just ask google about the events. Apparently they track folks very much. There may even be some way to view his tracks via a third party that has bought the info. Maybe not but these days it would not surprise me.

If it's an iPhone, then Google is not involved as much. However, Apple would be in that case. But, that is irrlevant since the Telcom WILL have all the info needed to prove this was a hoax. If, that is, the "victim" wishes to provide the info to the police.


As I have heard numerous times here regarding firearms background checks, "If you have nothing to hide, why not just comply?".


See, it works both ways folks.

Didn't the media already state that the police had several videos from security cameras in the area he claimed the incident took place?
I would hazard a guess that they saw something, or maybe nothing, that gave them cause to be suspicious of something in his story.

I really don't understand, if people WERE to make up a story about being attacked somewhere, how in this day and age, they "forget" that there are cameras damn near everywhere, in an urban setting.

a reply to: chiefsmom

From what's been reported so far, the two 'persons of interest' left the area Smollett was in about 30 minutes prior to when the attack is said to have taken place. That is on top of them not even being seen on the same side of the street as Smollett can be seen on in the videos that the police already have reviewed.

Also, there is a 60 second or less period of time wherein Smollett is not on any video at the time of the alleged assault and it is this brief window of time in which is the only period that the attack could have taken place.

Now, I wonder what will happen if it turns out that Smollett and any others have indeed perpetrated a hoax.

Will Smollett and any other responsible party be held accountable?

Perhaps by the legal system. But if that happens, how then will the media report such consequences?

Will it be said that Smollett, and any other accomplices, received what is due to them for having perpetrated a hoax or will it be played as if Smollett is still a victim and only being prosecuted because of his skin color and sexual orientation?

I would not be surprised at all to see the latter take place rather than the former.

originally posted by: chiefsmom
Didn't the media already state that the police had several videos from security cameras in the area he claimed the incident took place?
I would hazard a guess that they saw something, or maybe nothing, that gave them cause to be suspicious of something in his story.

I really don't understand, if people WERE to make up a story about being attacked somewhere, how in this day and age, they "forget" that there are cameras damn near everywhere, in an urban setting.

Forgetting isn't the only reason. See, being stupid, feeling "special", or depending upon calling anyone questioning them a "racist" could also play into their decisions too.

a reply to: jadedANDcynical

I'm going with option 3....
Not hearing a peep about it in the media, if he does get charged with filing a false claim.

a reply to: jadedANDcynical

This has obviously been a hoax from the get go. I'm very proud of this community for pointing it out right away. ATS has been my number #1 source for news for over 10 years and stories like this are the reason why.

But to reply as to what they are going to do with him if they have sufficient evidence against him. There is obviously filling a false police report. But I believe in this country you can be charged with the actual crime/crimes you have falsely reported. I'm not %100 percent on that though. I will look into it

What is really sad is when they charge him, and I'm sure they will, it will only probably be reported on Fox. CNN will never run it at all. And what really upsets me about that is all these people (Dems) will never know the truth and truly believe that this was some Trump racist/homophobe attack.

I honestly fell like this country is headed for some type of civil war, and unfortunately we are going to have to bear arms. These Democrats are completely delusional and it has become very sad they will not understand/accept the truth even by logic and facts.

I see all these political threads on ATS and the main thought that comes to my head is how weak the USA must look to other countries. We really need to stop all this BS, but I don't see it happening.

Anyway it's Saturday night, cheers. 🍺

Update

CHICAGO (WLS) --
An empty bottle that smells like bleach was found near the location where "Empire" actor Jussie Smollett said he was attacked by two men in late January, Chicago police said Monday.

The bottle, which was found by New York Post reporters who retraced Smollett's path through Streeterville the night of the attack, was sent to a lab for analysis.

...

However, CPD spokesman Anthony Guglielmi said: "It's unclear if that is related to the incident as it was not discovered during any of the earlier canvasses but we took it for analysis. The FBI is providing CPD with technical assistance on this case at our request. I'm not sure if the bottle went to their lab or one of ours."

So New York Post reporters find a bottle of hot sauce that has a clear bleach smelling liquid inside and now that bottle is being analyzed by either CPD or the FBI.

Additionally:

Monday afternoon, Smollett also submitted "limited and redacted phone records" from within an hour of the alleged incident, Chicago police confirmed. However, police may seek more phone records.

"We are very appreciative of the victims cooperation however the records provided do not meet the burden for a criminal investigation as they were limited and heavily redacted. Detectives may be following up with him to request additional data to corroborate the investigative timeline," Guglielmi said.

Jussie Smollett attack: Bottle with bleach odor found near attack location; 'Empire' actor submits phone records

Why would he redact his phone records if he has nothing to hide?

a reply to: jadedANDcynical

Gps record?
How many victims don't cooperate with the police?

originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: jadedANDcynical

Gps record?
How many victims don't cooperate with the police?

Those actions should be enough for a judge to agree to a search warrant for all phone records. If he or the Telco refuses, then they will be in contempt of court.

a reply to: jadedANDcynical

A HOT SAUCE bottle?

a reply to: shooterbrody

How many victims don't cooperate with the police?

Ones that have something to hide

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: jadedANDcynical

A HOT SAUCE bottle?

Yeah, I got a kick out of that too. It's almost like this entire story was set up to troll both sides.

An interesting take here:

The current public stance of the Chicago police is that earlier this month, at 2 a.m. on a very cold Chicago night, Smollett was the victim of what appears to be a heinous hate crime where he was physically attacked by two men, and humiliated due to his race, homosexuality, and possibly his opposition to President Donald Trump. The Chicago media, in official reports, has largely treated that narrative as legitimate, while chronicling the complete lack of suspects and corroborating evidence as more of a frustration than any indication that something else might be going on here.

Behind the scenes, however, based on conversations I have had with multiple people covering the story, there is a radically different take on what really did happen to Smollett. In short, there is near unanimity among police sources that Smollett’s story is very likely not true. And that even the media outlets still regurgitating the current “party line” don’t really believe it.

Behind the Scenes, It’s Clear Chicago Media and Police Doubt Jussie Smollett’s Story

Smollett represented the perfect persona from which to launch an attack against Trump supporters; he's a gay black man. Anyone doubting his story could easily be depicted as a racist homophobe and thus could then be dismissed by the talking heads of the media.

Smollett's actions after the event do not match up with what one would expect from someone who had actually endured what has been reported as having happened to him.

It's not passing the smell test and there are others who can detect the aromatic stink as well.

Ooops
Looks like the jig is up!
Local chicago news is interesting tonight.