Possible Houston Shooting Coverup

originally posted by: jadedANDcynical
The officers may have not been in uniform when they breached the door:

After the gunfire ended, SWAT officers using two robots to determine if the property was safe to enter found the two suspects dead.

Houston chief: 5 undercover officers injured in drug raid, 2 suspects killed

Just because someone has a pit bull does not make them a drug dealer. I have one and so do many other people I know and neither I, nor any of those whom I know are drug dealers. That's just more stereotyping of the kind the many people engage in to confirm a long held bias.

I don't know... if someone breaks into my house and shoots my dog, I don't care if they yell cops cops cops, I'm gonna shoot the prick.

I just don't care if they are or not, that's my family.

Dear ATS, can you please just disable the RSS feed or whatever it is that is making the site impossible for 5 minutes every hour from 27 past till 32? Please? forum members are the key, not RSS or whatever else has been alluded to by mods.

OT, the cops are complicit in covering this up. Anyone who doesn't see that, and accepts that in the line of duty things happen, is also complicit.

Time to stop allowing murder in the line of duty.

originally posted by: Boadicea

I won't blame the officers just following orders and trying to do their job to the best of their ability.

Many people just following orders, were executed for their crimes, at one point in history...

originally posted by: RadioRobert

Assuming ...........

and then

Because bad guys typically take that warning to grab a weapon and fight instead of surrendering? "I'm not going back to prison, pig!" * bang, bang, bang* Also gives the smart ones plenty of time to destroy evidence while the police are twiddling their thumbs outside.

Do you see what you just did there?

originally posted by: TonyS
a reply to: Boadicea

Thanks,
It has been something of a shock; didn't realize who the victim was until I saw her photo on the Youtube report.

I understand. I lost someone in a very public incident as well. It's very shocking, very frustrating, very surreal.

It's taken me back to a rather dark and troubling time in my life.

Funny how that works, eh? Oddly enough, I was asked just this morning to be interviewed for a book about this event, and it immediately brought back so many emotions and feelings. Like a ton of bricks. It surprised me. So many years later and it's all still quite surreal to me...

I wish I had some amazing words of wisdom but I really don't. Be strong. Be brave. Be grateful for what you can and mourn what you've lost.

Sad to say but East Houston is, (or was) home to many people like Nicky. They tried (try) every day to get by, ever falling short, but smiling through it all. Good people caught up in a bad place and in bad times.

Hopefully at least now, she's resting in peace.

I hope so. They've been in my prayers, and will continue to be.

a reply to: gallop

Many people just following orders, were executed for their crimes, at one point in history...

Good point. I would not rule that out in some, perhaps even many, cases.

However, when standard operating procedure is "blessed" by the Supreme Court, and is seemingly in accordance with the law and best recommended practices, then individual officers can be held liable for NOT following orders.

At some point, as the "employers" of these officers, the public has to take a stand with their city councils or whatever the appropriate governing agency would be, and demand necessary and appropriate reform. It's up to the people to make sure the men and women they hire to protect them are never put in that position to begin with. And that requires changing the system.

The president of Houston's police union just threatened the people... the citizens... the ones these officers are hired to protect. If the people are not willing and able to stand up for what is right and what is done in their name and with their tax dollars, holding individual LEOs won't fix systemic corruption or even incompetency... Rather, all the good officers will simply (and understandably) go elsewhere.

originally posted by: gallop

originally posted by: RadioRobert

Assuming ...........

and then

Because bad guys typically take that warning to grab a weapon and fight instead of surrendering? "I'm not going back to prison, pig!" * bang, bang, bang* Also gives the smart ones plenty of time to destroy evidence while the police are twiddling their thumbs outside.

Do you see what you just did there?

They were going to serve a warrant for trafficking signed by a judge. You think they should have assumed they were going after a couple good guys? Assumed it was the wrong address? Should they just have showed up unarmed and with a piece of paper and assumed they'd be safe in those circumstances? All that was more likely and a safer assumption than executing the house raid which when done properly is safer for everyone involved?

a reply to: gallop

I have to agree, even though this is one of those situations in which there is no winner and really neither party hold the high ground, but some things in life just demand retaliation and a pound of flesh.

a reply to: RadioRobert

They should have been in uniform or had those in uniform serve the warrant and had body cameras on and recording.

a reply to: Grimpachi

I would tend to agree with that in most cases. I don't know enough about what the circumstances were, however, to make a contrary statement. Again, I'm not saying they didn't hit the wrong house, or didn't make any bad decisions, or shouldn't be held accountable if they did. In fact, I think a LEO or any governmental employee breaking laws while in a position of power should be held to a higher standard and face stiffer punishments. I just really haven't seen enough that would tell me they did something criminal or even criminally negligent here. It all seems tragic at best. Horrific, if the worst.

a reply to: RadioRobert

There is not enough info available to make a conclusion and that is frustrating.

If they were Heroin dealers as the police claim I would expect they would show evidence of that like in so many other cases. They already said they didn't find any heroin, but what about the paraphernalia (scales, syringes, packaging)?
The chief said the house had security cameras if true then there should be video.

The neighbors said the husband walked his dog every day. That would be the time to detain him and the dog. It would only leave the wife at the house.

What worries me is that the police are investigating themselves.

a reply to: Grimpachi

What worries me is that the police are investigating themselves.

That is why they are always in the right. They have a good system.

There is zero zilch Zippo excuse for any government sanctioned mafia (aka "police" force) to even pull someone over and write a tickt in 2019 without it being filmed much less an armed raid being done cold without even the decency to corral the dog outsie somehow before overtaking the home. With cameras as small as a short btton forless than fifty bucs widely available to capture HD video of every second, thus making court proceedings in 50% of cases totally fool proof,how the hell is it NOT the law that it mst be done or no charge van stick and any death will beruld negligeceand homicide or voluntary manlaughter!?u

One more thing has come up.

There was no 9mm recovered from the house.

The reason that is important is that the search warrant it is stated that the CI had seen the seller with a 9mm semi auto pistol.

Remember the entire investigation up to the raid had lasted 2 weeks. It was reported that there was large quantities of heroin and paraphernalia which also wasn't found.
warrant

a reply to: Boadicea

You knew them then.

a reply to: Boadicea

President of the POlice Union........Gamaldi? He is a very young guy. But that name seems mighty familiar from the past. Thinking his father was a cop or an ADA. But cant quite pin it down.

Sounds like a narc bought some tar from someone in front of this house and the seller claimed to live in the house but they were from a few blocks away just covering the tracks.

originally posted by: StallionDuck
I feel that in this case, if there was nothing going on, none of those officers would have been shot. They would have been face down and in fear. No running away and shooting back.

Add a pit bull to the mix... That's kinda like paraphernalia for drug dealers lol

Just my thoughts.

Random individuals bust into your home, unannounced, do you defend your family or let whatever happens happen?

You choose to defend your family, you must be wrong regardless your reason...

a reply to: UncleTomahawk

This is just conjecture but I think the CI was sent out to make buys, but the cop didn't witness him go to the house and just met with him after to write up the report to get the warrant.

Did the CI go to 7815 Hardy ST or Harding ST? Only the police know who the CI is and they are investigating themselves.

Common tactic is street sellin to hide your stash location. I'm sure maybe the residents knew the seller and the seller just used their house as a cover story.