FBI Arrests Roger Stone

a reply to: Grambler

If mueller can provide proof someone in trumps team worked with russia to steal an election, I will want the person charged.

However, it seems very unlikely.

Changing the tone from speaking in absolutes earlier?

Yes the investigation is a corrupt witch hunt from the get go.

yes, they havent been able to find any crimes that were committed (except russian trolls on facebook that use the same tactics as Democrats did in the alabama and 2018 elections)

The whole thing was setup to try to get people on dumb process crimes so that they could get them to flip and find something, anything on trump, because they knew the whole russia collusion thing was garbage from the get go.

I point it out for constructive criticism.

There is a difference between a biased commentator and a pundit.

Between me and you, a biased commentator is a better look for you.

Just remember facts matter. And the fact is, we don't know yet.

a reply to: carewemust

Stone is wondering what took Mueller so long.

Like the Ruth Ginsburg obituary. The "Roger Stone Indicted" material has been ready to go ever since Stone said he expected Mueller to indict him. That was last October.

Even before then. It seemed very likely based on who was testifying before the grand jury way back in August. See my thread from then: Mueller Team Sure Seems to be Looking to Indict Roger Stone

originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: Grambler

You don’t hear me chanting lock her up

Nah but you probably have it embroidered on a sofa pillow.

I do not.

In fact I think she should be held accountable for the crimes she committed like lying to the fbi or her team destroying subpoenaed evidence, but I am not that concerned about her being charged at all.

I think my post history backs that up.

I am concerned with the investigators that knew of those crimes and covered for her and her team, and then went after trump as hard as possible and charged people connected to him with the same crimes

Hiallrys gone, trump will be someday as well.

That corrupt intel agencies will be there forever until something is done about it.

Remember the 22 trillion dollars or whatever it was that went missing..... MSM was told to shut up about it obviously.It is nuts..

Another strike in the fishing expedition. 12 angry Dems must be really angry.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: CriticalStinker
I thought you were voting for Justin Beiber so you can have someone from your neighborhood better represent you.

I may or may not have egged his house (twice) so I don't think he would want me anywhere near him.

He played you man.... You acted like all the girls who hurl their eggs at him too. Bwahahaha

a reply to: CriticalStinker

We dont know yet if mueller raped that woman.

SO are you for an investigation into that as well, with trumps team sending spies into mueller team, wiretapping his phones, etc?

The point is that we would have mostly likely seen leaks of this evidence of trumps tram working to steal the election with russians if it came out, and we havent.

And the chances are very low of that.

But yes, there is always the chance that it could occur.

That doesnt mean that we should ignore evidence of corruption and bias.

I have read through the Indictment, and it seems likely he will be found guilty on all counts...pretty hard to dispute what you have said on the record to Congress, versus what you have written down in emails and text messages. Having said that, I think people should be concerned that this is yet another example of people being charged with a crime committed during the course of an investigation - of no crime committed.

Roger Stone's problem is that he has made his living for a long time as someone who can provide information to political campaigns, because he is supposedly "well connected" and can travel on the underground information railroad. In this case he was really not very well connected to Wikileaks - but he had to try to keep up the charade that he was, so that he could keep getting paid to appear as a "source" during the period of time that the DNC leaks were being published.

What is quite shocking, really, is that Stone would have left such a long and obvious trail of communications that inevitably show that he had lied under oath. And, for him to use text messages and email to try to get a witness to commit purjury...and then to type out and transmit threats when "Person 2" refused to do so...would almost indicate that he still thinks he is practicing the political dark arts in the 1960s or something.

Not smart Roger.

a reply to: Grambler

That doesnt mean that we should ignore evidence of corruption and bias.

Evidence of corruption and bias doesn't mean we shouldn't ignore crimes.

I think you keep mistaking me for someone who has a dog in this fight other than the truth.

I have acknowledged some of your points and even agreed with some of them.

But simply put, I don't have as much bias so it's easier for me to navigate through this and say "that is what it is" and "this is what it is" without caring about one more than the other. That's not to say I don't care, I just try not to put a value on one more than the other.

originally posted by: Grambler

originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: Grambler

But instead of actng like stones lies shouldnt be charged, I think we should say he should be charged, and as should all of the other people that lied.

Has anyone here posted that he should not have been charged?
I find it interesting they did not charge him with perjury and instead lying to the fbi.
I also find it interesting how the "investigation" has caused caused criminals rather than actually finding them.
I wonder if he will plea or take this to open court?

Yes the investigation is a corrupt witch hunt from the get go.

yes, they havent been able to find any crimes that were committed (except russian trolls on facebook that use the same tactics as Democrats did in the alabama and 2018 elections)

The whole thing was setup to try to get people on dumb process crimes so that they could get them to flip and find something, anything on trump, because they knew the whole russia collusion thing was garbage from the get go.

Nonetheless, no sympathy for stone from me if he knowingly lied to investigators.

Given that Mueller is supposed to be looking for evidence of collusion with Russia, it is absolutely appropriate to question why he's mostly charging people with process crimes, and in Manafort's case old crimes that could have/should have been handled years ago. So far the only charges that actually relate to his mandate are the Russian Twitter bots, who everybody knows will never actually be arrested or tried.

And because we do not live in a vacuum, it is absolutely appropriate to discuss the context of these arrests. We know the Democrats have done all this same stuff, and worse. There is a solid paper trail implicating the DNC in colluding with British intelligence to manufacture the Steele Dossier, for the express purpose of influencing the 2016 election. When are we going to see a similar investigation over that? Why was Podesta allowed to skate for not registering as a foreign agent, but Mananfort wasn't? As for Hillary's e-mail server, people in her position absolutely have gone to prison for leaks that were much more trivial, and even completely accidental. She and her husband have engaged in blatant influence peddling, tax evasion, and money laundering via the Clinton Foundation. This isn't "what-aboutism," it's pointing out the double standard that exists. And that double standard is evidence of tyranny, in which "justice" is little more than an excuse to punish political opponents and protect cronies.

If it doesn't change, and soon, we are going to have a civil war.

a reply to: Agit8dChop
because its all part of a big con job man. NDAA 2017, partnerships with media to influence public opinion yada yada. Eh I don' know why I bother explaining it all everytime. They have it all in legal writing.They were pretty damn close when a certain Florida school shooting happened as well. Im getting tired of CNN committing terrorism and #ty screen plays in my state.

And Julian Assange is dead. I have been saying it since last year.

originally posted by: JBurns
a reply to: Grambler

It is quite evident that the corruption at the intel community continues to this very day, and so I dont think these firings had any impact on stopping that.

I at least take some solace in the fact those pro liars/pro drug dealers/pro killers aren't getting paid. In a way, they're being starved out. Shame worthwhile/actual people are also affected by this, however. Attrition alone should ensure quite a few simply walk off the job. Must be demoralizing working without pay

What they should really worry about is the fact that most of us are getting along just fine without the government.

a reply to: CriticalStinker

But I as well have not suggested ignoring crimes

In fcat I am all over this thread saying just the opposite.

The point is we should all want all crimes to be prosecuted by these people, buyt I feel we should see that the biggest crime is the corrupt intel agencies.

a reply to: AndyFromMichigan


all this civil war nonsense is getting old.

I know it's what putin wants but it ain't happening.

originally posted by: CriticalStinker
a reply to: theantediluvian

Let me bounce this one off of you Ante.

Look at #6, this is the most interesting to me as it has implications for someone else within the campaign.

We could all throw some guesses and anyone could be right, but I'll give it a whirl.

Trump Jr. and Assange email correspondants.

The indictment mentions "senior officials" and I wouldn't be at all surprised if Don Jr was one of them. In fact, I would say that it's likely he was. Look at what he was doing during the campaign, during the transition and on through into the Trump administration — acting as liaison between Team Trump and a host of sketchy characters from Veselnitskaya to Joel Zamel (Psy-Group) and George Nader (the pederast errand boy of MBZ)/Elliott Broidy.

Stone is being released on a $250,000 signature bond.
How dare they let this evil genius out of jail to continue all of his colluding?
Lol

a reply to: shooterbrody

CNN was there? Well, that’s telling.

originally posted by: Grambler
a reply to: CriticalStinker


The point is that we would have mostly likely seen leaks of this evidence of trumps tram working to steal the election with russians if it came out, and we havent.

And the chances are very low of that.

But yes, there is always the chance that it could occur.

As I've pointed out, both the Trump Tower meeting and Stone asking Wikileaks for the e-mails are evidence that there wasn't any collusion. If Trump was working with Russia to steal the election, why would either of these events have occurred? At this point, Occam's Razor suggests that the reason we haven't heard any leaks of this damning evidence (when everything else has leaked within days) is because Mueller doesn't have any such evidence, and that in fact that kind of evidence would run completely counter to what we've learned.

originally posted by: Scepticaldem
Stone is being released on a $250,000 signature bond.
How dare they let this evil genius out of jail to continue all of his colluding?
Lol

wait what?

they apprehend him with swat teams and guns drawn and he gets bond?
WTF???

a reply to: Bluntone22

I also wonder how CNN just happened to be there with a TV crew

They filed the indictment yesterday... In public court.
Then everyone was watching Stone.
I saw your illustrious leader asked this same question...peas in a pod.