Religion is dying; does it need replacing?

originally posted by: TerraLiga
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Many of those people in todays societies choose not to get involved in the constant bickering and choose not to choose religion as their faith. They look for something else else.

But again atheist beliefs/systems force people to give up religion/spirituality. To this day there are millions of Christians and other religious groups who are being oppressed by atheistic systems. As an example, China. China has increased once again their oppression on religious people.

In China, they’re closing churches, jailing pastors – and even rewriting scripture

And China is not the only "atheistic state" doing this.

a reply to: kennyb72
I agree with your first two paragraphs. I believe in your right to hold your opinions, even if they disagree with mine, so I respectfully will agree to disagree with the rest of your posting - but that doesn’t make it any more or less valid than my own opinion.

originally posted by: ElectricUniverse

originally posted by: TerraLiga
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Many of those people in todays societies choose not to get involved in the constant bickering and choose not to choose religion as their faith. They look for something else else.

But again atheist beliefs/systems force people to give up religion/spirituality. To this day there are millions of Christians and other religious groups who are being oppressed by atheistic systems. As an example, China. China has increased once again their oppression on religious people.

In China, they’re closing churches, jailing pastors – and even rewriting scripture

And China is not the only "atheistic state" doing this.

Yes, but that is a communist State (although slowly progressing) and communism doesn’t allow any other control than the State. You are allotting atheism to a political system, but it doesn’t necessarily fit. There are and have been communist States that tolerate religion, although begrudgingly. China just happens to have a highly censored control of information.

originally posted by: TerraLiga

Yes, but that is a communist State (although slowly progressing) and communism doesn’t allow any other control than the State. You are allotting atheism to a political system, but it doesn’t necessarily fit. There are and have been communist States that tolerate religion, although begrudgingly. China just happens to have a highly censored control of information.

Communism at it's core is an atheistic system. Even Karl Marx himself stated so.

And he isn't the only one who believes so.

Chapter 11: Communism and Religion
§ 89. Why religion and communism are incompatible

'Religion is the opium of the people,' said Karl Marx. It is the task of the Communist Party to make this truth comprehensible to the widest possible circles of the labouring masses. It is the task of the party to impress firmly upon the minds of the workers, even upon the most backward, that religion has been in the past and still is today one of the most powerful means at the disposal of the oppressors for the maintenance of inequality, exploitation, and slavish obedience on the part of the toilers.

Many weak-kneed communists reason as follows: 'Religion does not prevent my being a communist. I believe both in God and in communism. My faith in God does not hinder me from fighting for the cause of the proletarian revolution.'

This train of thought is radically false. Religion and communism are incompatible, both theoretically and practically.
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www.marxists.org...

There are people who say/are partly communist and also religious. But when communism is put to the test, it will ban religion down the line. in communism there is nothing more important than "the revolution itself." Communism has no place for religion, as it has no place for individuality and freedom.

a reply to: TerraLiga

I agree with your first two paragraphs. I believe in your right to hold your opinions, even if they disagree with mine, so I respectfully will agree to disagree with the rest of your posting - but that doesn’t make it any more or less valid than my own opinion.

Two out of five isn't too bad .. room for negotiation

a reply to: ElectricUniverse
Marx was more than what is currently communist. As you can see from your source, his philosophy is called Marxism. This goes further than communism in that it takes away your right to own property. Even communism allows that!

Let’s take North Korea as a communist example. Staunch far left politics, but also sympathetic to some religions. Some previous South American regimes also communist in ideology, but religious too.

The political system doesn’t necessarily dictate the religious participation of its populous, although in some cases it does I would have to agree. China just happens to have an iron grip on its people and most Western ideologies are actively discouraged - traditional Chinese religions or faiths are tolerated far better.

originally posted by: TerraLiga
a reply to: ElectricUniverse
Marx was more than what is currently communist. As you can see from your source, his philosophy is called Marxism. This goes further than communism in that it takes away your right to own property. Even communism allows that!

In socialism the state also owns and controls the means of production. Any property that can produce is owned and controlled by the state under both communism, and socialism.

originally posted by: TerraLiga
Let’s take North Korea as a communist example. Staunch far left politics, but also sympathetic to some religions. Some previous South American regimes also communist in ideology, but religious too.

Wow...

Teen's testimony of faith unstopped by death
Missionary into Kim Jong-il's kingdom of religious oppression martyred

From the Huff.

North Korea: The World’s Worst Religious Persecutor

originally posted by: TerraLiga
The political system doesn’t necessarily dictate the religious participation of its populous, although in some cases it does I would have to agree. China just happens to have an iron grip on its people and most Western ideologies are actively discouraged - traditional Chinese religions or faiths are tolerated far better.

Under a true communist regime, yes it does.
As for your claim that "traditional religions or faiths are tolerated," could you give evidence supporting your claim?

If you mean "confucianism," yes, the Chinese government has found that they can use Confucianism" to gather more support from the Chinese people on communism. But Christianity has existed in China since the 7th century. It's ideology was part of China centuries before the communists took over.

For the followers of confucianism that's great. The Constitution of China "supposedly" allows religious freedom, but in practice the opposite occurs. Catholicism is supposed to be one of the religions allowed in China, but...

China Reneges on Its Deals. The Vatican Is Learning That the Hard Way.

a reply to: KansasGirl

To a great many people today, Science is their religion.

The throes of a dying society (western societies). After-all, no one dies for scientific fact. See the whole transgender movement for exhibit A on how much people adhere to science and what they're willing to sacrifice for it. But people will die for God and for Christ and be at peace with it. That's why science loses to religion throughout history. science is not a worthy supplement for religion. It's a nice complement for it though.

a reply to: TerraLiga

Care to read Dr Days 1969 talk - "Everything Is In Place and No none Can Stop Us Now" then yes; as far as those who control the world are concerned religion is certainly dying; and yes it certainly doe need replacing.

Dr Day said there will be a one world religion and those in power in the worlds religion will actively participate in bringing their religions down to make way for it.

Ever wonder why the Bishops never fired any pedo priests? All they ever did was send them to some other unsuspecting community. The bishops, and therefore those above them,were and are actively participating in the destruction of the Catholic Church from the inside

Dont believe me, invest 20 minutes of your life in reading Dr Days talk and be surprised at what has come to pass which he said would happen.

Think about this;

The powers that should not be; want global control of people, power and resources. Logic then says it follows, that they would want:

a global economy
a global cashless monetary system
a single global language
a global religion
a global health system and standard (which could be very low for the masses)
a global engineering standards - think of the ISO (International Standards Organisation)
a global dress code (think of Muslims here, they all dress the same)

I think you get the idea.

a reply to: glend

The religious pharisee's of the day were the only ones who refused to believe what was staring them right in the face back then...

It was true then and the same is true today, religious spirits are nefariously nasty which is why they love to hide behind a religious facade.

You can either believe religion or you can believe God, but you can't do both because they ALWAYS contradict one another.

This gives us one huge clue as to who the author of religion actually is and why religions in general usually contradict one another.

The stealth agenda behind Religion is to discredit the truth, this the reason why religion has ALWAYS been opposed to God and His word...

Satan's most effective method of seducing men and women to yield to his control over them is via a religious system. Source

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

We need to take a step back for a moment and define what we mean by religion.

I define it as any faith-based discipline or philosophy. It seems you are only referring to Christ-based religions. That definition is too narrow for this discussion.

I don’t personally know of any Marxist, communist or socialist regime that has banned outright or actively upheld a ban on all faith-based religions or philosophies, which is what I have been referring to. To me, religion does not automatically equate to Christianity.

a reply to: InTheLight

And Christianity is an offshoot of the Egyptian god horus and virgin mother isis. Who also had 12 brothers/diciples and died was resurrected after 3 days etc etc. .

In relation to

Why is Islamic religion the "go to" moral religious pathway

Its within the goverments interest this happens. Not the people. Islam equals full control of the people. Speak out and get the harsh punishments. It's all about control which goverments have slowly lost over the years.

a reply to: Azureblue

Interesting, but I’m afraid I can’t personally believe in a conspiracy of this nature or scale. By their own doctrines all religions are incompatible with each other, which dilutes their combined message.

originally posted by: Murgatroid
a reply to: glend

The religious pharisee's of the day were the only ones who refused to believe what was staring them right in the face back then...

It was true then and the same is true today, religious spirits are nefariously nasty which is why they love to hide behind a religious facade.

You can either believe religion or you can believe God, but you can't do both because they ALWAYS contradict one another.

This gives us one huge clue as to who the author of religion actually is and why religions in general usually contradict one another.

The stealth agenda behind Religion is to discredit the truth, this the reason why religion has ALWAYS been opposed to God and His word...

The majority of my thinking is spent meditating and thinking about God and coming to more comprehensive realizations of Jesus. Despite this, when I walk into a church I get almost sick to my stomach. They give God 1 hour a week and mammon 40+... It is no surprise that so many are turned away from the church when they are raised in a compromised household. Compromised as in, "God is good, well, kind of... we mostly go to church 'just in case' "

originally posted by: lSkrewloosel
a reply to: InTheLight

And Christianity is an offshoot of the Egyptian god horus and virgin mother isis. Who also had 12 brothers/diciples and died was resurrected after 3 days etc etc. .

Ever wonder why those claims are rarely backed up with any evidence?

I did so I began to research and I quickly discovered that all of the "evidence" is an absolute complete joke.

Case in point: a poet named Gerald Massey claims to have gotten his ideas from an 'undisclosed' ancient text, I mean COME ON!

This whole copycat argument is not only completely unsupported by facts, there isn't even so much as a SHRED of evidence to even suggest plagiarism.

All of my research left me with another question: WHY are there are still people who actually take this stuff seriously?

Naturally, not a shred of etymological, linguistic, archaeological, literary, or historical evidence is given for these wild assertions.

www.tektonics.org...

Achayra's badly researched delusion ranks among other such nonsense as "The Davinci Code" or "Holy Blood, Holy Grail" any intelligent person who has taken a religion 101 course can shoot holes through her lies.

No serious scholar atheist or other wise has any real respect for this woman. She has been widely ignored even by the majority of anti christian atheists because her conspiracies can't possibly hold water. Achayra doesn't like Christianity so she borrows from a lot of other poor researchers to create fantasies that have no more basis in reality then Santa Claus. If you want anti christian reading pick up the Davinci code at least it was well written by some one with some thing resembling intelligence.

The Latest Lie Ever Sold

This review is from: "The Christ Conspiracy: The Greatest Story Ever Sold"

Follow her sources please. How did the comparison with the mystery religions start? Did it start by the Jewish scholars who lived at the same time and would have known about these religions and were themselves trying to discredit Jesus? No, it started with an Islamic writer named Yousuf Saleem Chishti, in his book, What is Christianity? ... Where did he get this information? No one knows, he listed no sources, and none have been found.

However that didn't stop a writer in the late 1800s and early 1900s named Gerald Massey from using Chishti as his source for the same information. Who is Acharya using as her source for most of her material? Massey, who used Chishti.

"The Christ Conspiracy: The Greatest Story Ever Sold"

A humorous irony is that many atheists (including Dorothy Murdock / Acharya S.) rely heavily upon Gerald Massey, whom they claim to be a great Egyptologist. Massy is the first known to make the claim that Jesus is a copy of Horus (an Egyptian god). He also makes the connection between Jesus and 2000 other pagan gods—a so-called fact often repeated by Massy followers. The humor of this claim is that Gerald Massey was not a studied Egyptologist; he was a poet who died in 1913 and has no credentials with anyone but the atheists who cite him thinking that he was a researcher.

Gerald Massey claims to have gotten his ideas from ancient text; however, he does not cite the text he supposedly translated from. Since he appears to be the only one who found these secret texts and it cannot and has not been verified by any credible source, it does not stand as evidence but only speculation at best. Many have searched the ancient texts he studied, but none have found any evidence to support his writings. Since Massey never cited any original text, his writings show to be more of a fictional story than an attempt at translation. Yet his claims are the foundation the Christ Conspiracy stands upon.

Book Review – The Christ Conspiracy

There are many good people buying into the Zeitgeist movement. I was one of them. I now realize that the NWO does not oppose it's enemies, but infiltrates them & corrupts them. This is what is happening here, either with the cooperation of Fresco & Joseph or with them being used as 'useful idiots' of the NWO. I don't believe either Joseph or Fresco are idiots. Liberty is the answer to tyranny. Not a better system of tyranny. Love to all people.

I am against governments & statism but by advocating Global Resource Management & a technocracy to oversee it, you are describing world fascism. What if me & my people don't need or want Global resource Management? Will you say that you know better than we do? Will we be? 'allowed' to exist outside of this framework? As long as we are, I wish the Zeitgeist movement well & if it so good, we will ask to join at a later stage as will all peoples. But if you wish to enforce it upon humanity, you are the same as the NWO.

The true face of Zeitgeist

The philosophy behind the Zeitgeist movement comes directly from the writings of H. P. Blavatsky

Blavatsky worshiped Satan, which exposes the REAL agenda behind the movement...


Zeitgeist was created to distort reality and lead people AWAY from the Truth.

"The philosophy behind the Zeitgeist movement comes from the writings of H. P. Blavatsky who declared that Lucifer / Satan is the God of this world & the one whom she worshiped."

"...the TARGET of the film is Christianity. This is what they are after. To usher in the NWO they have to discredit and get rid of Christianity in order for them to succeed. They are very subtle in the way they work now. They are very slick in mixing truth with fact, as the Father of Lies always has done.

Joe Schimmel's article is one of the best written about Zeitgeist:

"Zeitgeist presents a long debunked theory that claims early Christians created a “Christ myth” that is loosely based on an alleged amalgamation of ideas that were borrowed from various pagan religions. However, serious scholars, long ago, refuted the ideas promulgated in Zeitgeist. To its own detriment, Zeitgeist quotes plenty of biased occult sources and very few, if any, primary sources.

"the worst thing about the movie is that it mixes some truth with much “that is plainly and simply Bogus.” "In watching Zeitgeist, I personally had a hard time believing so many lies could be crammed into one film."

books.google.com...

a reply to: TerraLiga

No. Religion is a collection antiquated superstitions that have long past their useful life and mostly demonstrably false. It is an obvious con on the ignorant. Scumbags like Joel Osteen can sucker the simple minded into giving their life savings tax free.

originally posted by: Lumenari
a reply to: liejunkie01

For the record, perceived reality is reality.

No... not even close. There is a reason after all that eye witness testimony is viewed as unreliable after all. We all only capture and retain a small portion of our everyday environment, our brain fills in the rest when we try to recall past events. In a dangerous situation, our brain retains even less information because of numerous reasons. So yes to a point perceived reality is reality... for the one who perceived it, maybe not so much for everyone else.

a reply to: TerraLiga

The question being asked is ridiculous. Its essentially admitting that religion is a big bunch of hooey.

Otherwise, how do you "replace" a perpetual truth (as all religions like to fancy themselves)?

a reply to: cooperton

Do not lose hope, we are living in unprecedented times and America is about to witness an unparalleled miraculous awakening that will soon sweep the entire nation...

Read William Seymour's and Maurice Sklar's visions below for more insight on this:

"I will visit America again. A third Great Awakening will come. But, the days of America’s glory and beauty will never again be seen. My judgment shall come swiftly upon all those that have turned their backs to Me.”

A Vision of a Victorian Mansion

"William Seymour, the catalyst of that great revival, prophesied in 1913 that in roughly 100 years another revival far eclipsing Azusa would come. The fulfillment of Seymour’s word is overdue … or right on schedule."

Azusa Now: 75,000 Pack the L.A. Coliseum to Pray for Revival

In 1998 Grand Chief Lynda Prince of the Carrier Sekai Nations had a visitation in which the Lord told her that when 120 drums joined with 120 shofars there would be a great awakening!

This event has already taken place in 2016 at an event called 'Azusa Now' when 75,000 packed the L.A. coliseum to pray for revival...

"The Lord first confirmed to us that we were in a time of awakening during the weeks prior to the Azusa Now gathering in Los Angeles. On the morning of March 29th, 2016, evangelist Michael Koulianos contacted Lou with a dream he had the night before. In his dream, John Paul Jackson approached Michael from the cloud of witnesses and told him that the Third Great Awakening was beginning in America. Michael asked him directly, “Is it beginning at Azusa Now?” John Paul answered, “Yes, it is beginning at Azusa Now.”

Third Great Awakening Conceived at Azusa Now

"On the second day of the Portland gathering, one of the prophetic intercessors was taken up into heaven where she was told, “Today is the day history books will record as the birth of the Third Great Awakening.” She shared this privately with Pastor Trujillo. Just moments later, another leader got up on stage and prophesied, “This is the day and this is the moment that history will mark as the birth of the Third Great Awakening!”

The birth of the Third Great Awakening

"The fire that fell in Cane Ridge sparked a movement. Revival spread across the American frontier like wild fire driven by a stiff wind through the dry brush. I'm certain there are many who wonder if it is possible for God to move again in such a powerful way. They have concluded that America is too far gone to experience another great awakening. Cane Ridge shows otherwise. This revival that took place 215 years ago offers us great hope today. Look back at what God did and let it bring you to the revelation that He can and will do it again!

My friends, revival will always be God's remedy for an ailing land. Revival is the moment that the Lord Almighty invades a community, the slumbering saints are awakened and sinners are reborn. True revival offers total reformation for individuals, communities and even nations.

Yes, America is experiencing a spiritually dark time once again. The founding principles that brought us great freedom and prosperity have been forgotten. America is lost. But don't lose hope! Consider the works of the Lord. In times of great darkness or spiritual drought, these stories remind us that we've been here before, and when we finally turn back to God, He always revives. Look back at the times He has moved across our land. Remember and meditate on the times you've personally experienced the power of His presence. Let those stories fan the embers in your life back to flame. We need God to do it again, and do it like Cane Ridge!"

Why the Cane Ridge Revival Holds Prophetic Hope for America's Third Great Awakening

a reply to: InTheLight

Yea, it does get all fluffy and touchy feely like Christianity, then gets Old an Testy just like Christianity. Thing is in the Quran from what I gathered, Moses is mentioned more times then Jesus, and is probably only second to Mohammed in terms of reverence.

And there are alot of similarities between the O.t or the Torah that the Quran tries to emphasise although they do have their differences. Like the Torah doesn't believe in the afterlife while the Quran does like the N.T.

I'm pretty sure one can go to hell for not wearing clothing of the same colour...in all three.