Manly P Hall, The Elementals

a reply to: LoneCloudHopper2

Colin Wilson observed in his work into the supernatural.

as did John Keel in the Mothman
he described all manners of supernatural event and felt the beings were
from another dimension, the Mothman which was spotted the most does
look like a moth by all accounts... an elemental? well they do come in many
forms, maybe it was a demonic faerie haha

a reply to: ManyMasks

i have trees in my garden do you think elementals
could be contacted there even although i live in a town?

you also said you dont feel the electrical vibrations as much so cant
achieve the state of gnosis as much to be able to project, is this because
you dont live in nature anymore so to speak.

Most of my experiences with the buzzing occurred before I moved to the country, so that has no bearing on the matter. My sensitivity to nature has most definitely become more acute.

It may sound silly but you have to feel comfortable with talking to things. You may not think creatures or plants can understand you but it is your invisible aura, which is actually part of you, that they sense.


If I want to communicate with a group of animals or a single animal from any distance really, I visualise projecting my mind towards them. It isn't hard to do if you feel love for them and then just visualise cuddling them. They really, really love that.

They respond with trust and tangible affection and they will visit regularly.

There are elementals everywhere, most people control elementals daily everywhere on the planet. If you light a fire, you may have trouble starting it if you don't attend it during the early ignition stage. Fire is an elemental and those flames have a life. Fire much like clouds of vapour are very easily manipulated by using will power to get it burning strongly. We actually give it encouragement to burn.

You may have seen people manipulating clouds and cloud busting. Most people don't realise they are communicating with an elemental. The majority of lower elemental can be controlled, as they either have no mind of their own or they just want to help. Even Demons are elementals and are generally pretty easy to manipulate by strong willed people.

Demonic attacks are usually caused by people using Black Magic to control elementals. The poor Demon is just doing the bidding of a sick minded individual experiencing a strong emotion of hate or revenge.

The best exercise a person can do to improve his/her connection with nature is to talk to nature and be vigilant and watch for the answer or response.

I regularly get help when I am sweeping the deck which is pretty long.

That job can be easy or hard depending on the wind. If the wind is blowing my leaves back, I make a request and the wind will come from behind me and assist with the clean up. This is 100 percent reliable .. for me.

I live in the countryside and in summer the flies are merciless, that is unless you ask them to not pester you and then they leave immediatly. I can safely walk through a swarm of bee's or wasps and we have no issues with each other.

They appreciate it if you are polite and say excuse me. It won't be too long before they get to know you.

If you are kind to a fly or a bee or a tiny bug, it never goes unnoticed.

I hope you have fun discovering how connected you are to everything.

a reply to: ManyMasks

I did a double post so I thought I may as well use it for one last comment.

Humans are the only species on Earth thad does NOT have a collective mind and that is the function of your angel.

It is because we are disconnected that we are able to develop strong personalities and individualism. Those are the qualities me must develop before we become essential beings. We finally return to a group mind and without that human experience we would be washed away in a sea of minds and have no voice. As Humans thanks to the assistance of the Deva race, we can become full fledged individuals with the mind of the millions of souls who you become part of.

Collective consciousness is a real brain bend to imagine what that would be like.

a reply to: ManyMasks

Originally posted by ManyMasks
These Elemental spirits have been noted to come in all shapes and forms
including shapes and forms that could explain all Alien and UFO phenomenon
Elemental tricksters who could make you see whatever they wanted you to see.

It’s kind of funny…people today play games like "Elder Scrolls” and various other Rpg games… which all contain mythical creatures such as elementals, Harpies, Gargoyles, Banshees and Sprites etc…

And yet hardly anyone ever wonders where these ideas or forms originated from…is it really all just peoples wild imaginations…

It’s certainly possible to misinterpret something you think you’ve see...on a dark and cloudy night etc...but these mythical creatures have been drawn (carved in some cases) in detail...with varying accounts from witnesses stretching back through the centuries…

- JC

a reply to: ManyMasks
"have often seen machine elf-type beings"

The elf type beings are clueless dumbass idiots with suicide stamped on their foreheads. They believe they can avoid the final battle with Jesus via multiple alternate realities. However, every single reality leads back to the final ultimate battle in the valley of Megiddo.

Ever wondered why the Great Industrial Revolution occurred during the days of Manly P Hall ?
It was thanks to the fallen watchers (pointy ear Spock geniuses) that gave certain human intellectuals, the "ideas" to lead the world into high-tech technology (UFO). Thus this technology will allow humans to somehow stand a chance in defeating Jesus upon His return.

3 fallen (elfy) watchers have turned back to Jesus Christ hence Operation Iraqi Freedom, where those 3 out of the original 200 saw that they were destined to lose the coming battle on the battle planes of Magiddo (Armageddon). They rebelled from OLD IRAQ - Babylon. Azazel simply had to acknowledge the treachery (rebellion) hence FREEDOM.

"Paracelsus says: "Salamanders have been seen in the shapes of fiery balls, or tongues of fire, running over the fields or peering in houses." (Philosophia Occulta, translated by Franz Hartmann.)"

Oh how easy it is to summon those little fiery luzers in a crystal covered in copper wire.

The fiery lake has 2 types of elementals down there. They are the fire and air elementals hence why it always burns in the lake. In Islam they are the Shaitan Djinn. Many Shaitan names are written on the middle circle of a Djinn tapestry (speculation) LOL.

a reply to: Rapha

Is Jesus good or bad in this?

Have you had contact with elementals?

This thread has sure gave me much pause for thought and will be bringing back my thoughts on some things I've learned.

Interesting times

a reply to: ManyMasks

I wouldn't really know.

At times I think that alot of lore or mythical creatures are inspired by the paranormal and are attempts at identifing them. Thing is, is how much actual revelance do these personifications ( or archetypes) to it.

The number four is a very a common number number especially in religion. Four beasts( Biblical and Chinese), four majestic creatures/animals, Horsemen of the Apocalypse, Four Winds to even the Buddhist Four Noble Truths.

As for Baphomet, not necessarily given that it not associated with any element or form of matter like water or rock. I think it more of psychological reason as to why the elites would be using esoterics that are taboo for Christianity.

a reply to: ManyMasks

Cool thread.

Guess you have Muse of your own.

originally posted by: kennyb72
a reply to: ManyMasks

When you say pass through to Maya, can you do that while alive

Yes, there are many people on these boards who astral travel on a regular basis. People who meditate regularly are training their minds to access those other dimensions.

Do you know how to? I have done it every time I have tried (which is not many) but only for a second or two since I always reach the same point that no matter how much I prepare my mind, once I get so high off the ground (well, the bed) I have the overwhelming fear I am going to fall (and I am terrified of heights in real life if that matters) and it actually causes me TO FALL...Right back into myself. And even when I then coach myself and remind myself just to ignore the fear, I lie back down, start going upward then my body feels like it is really high up and the terror comes again and I wake up with a flailing and jerking as if catching myself. Anyone ever have or hear of this problem?

a reply to: AlexandrosTheGreat
I don't know but from what I've read you can travel anywhere so back to the ground would be a good thought. Then take off from the ground...
Little steps

But essentially there is no ground a suppose

Jesus commanded the elementals. Water, winds, storms, plants, boulders, and so forth. King Solomon also apparently attained similar power through his humility and devotion to the Most High (who has power over all the elementals). To get the capstone on Solomon's temples, he apparently was commanding an elemental to raise the stone to the top of the temple. Further evidenced by the fact that the temple was built with "perfect stone, without any tools" (1 Kings 6:7).

These elementals are apparently controlled with faith or certainty. Peter even walked on water until he doubted that he could. A humble loving respect to the creation would also likely put you on good ground with these spirits, but as said before, a primary devotion to the Prime Creator supersedes all sorts of subordinate spirit/elemental worship/admiration.

The Essenes were very in-tuned with these elementals (book of the essenes). They lived according to John the Baptist, who avoided all processed food - including cooked food. A raw food diet imbues you with the power of these spirits of nature. Cooking kills these spirits, just like heat denatures proteins.

I love this subject and could go on and on, looking forward to further conversation.

Secret teaching sounds like hey check it out; I sold out to some "higher being" and now for the correspondence course here is the rest for a nice fee... a sucker is born more than every minute; is a dependent origination that P.T. Barnum is personally responsible for.

Free is best as no slaves of any sort are involved... the koan "Who is dragging that corpse along?" The slave to selling information, is after riches fame or notoriety... of course then as contact? The so called force the submitted too? Gets to keep or rule their form... then back into the lowest slave chain ignorant as a form of life as a corpse that does not stop dreaming or awaken to serve the next being and or person that recalls them to mind etc.

The so called powers that be? Do not like FREE of course those already FREE know how difficult such a journey is; and volunteer their time as in also freely given, sometimes it comes as a mara or someone that sold you out and is begging you to let them then serve you or learn and study under you just the same...

Making friends with them... well no that's what the various hell's and rounds of birth and death are. A simple point lets them turn, a wave of the hand wraps them back up to where they came from.

Slave to words; one becomes bound as a hearer... that once called runs or is dragged along like a slave... clear seeing knows all is void even when that seeing is full... the other senses the same.

So instead of subscribing... here's the key; life is life discriminate against any part of life with name by it's form and that means "you are in bondage" and not free.

Manly P Hall is not free, however having heard his rhetoric before? No matter how eloquent he may seem, guided by those voices or not? No thanks. Namaste... I am the god in me and he is the god in him and if not? LOL go home, go home, go home... and if you do not have one? Join an Abbey or Monastery.

a reply to: cooperton

All "Jesus"(Really James I and James II) twins did, was run scams on people... James one come let me teach you to be fishers of men, while James two stole their boat.

Once the scam was figured out? The jig was up... They planned to usurp the throne; nothing more and nothing less. All the conspirators etc and followers were afterwards were culled, to bring peace and rule back after the fiasco.

Time to just let that nonsense go... the bible is the son of man; there is no light in it, it is a preach nonsense picking any scripture you want to make it say what you want it to say, like a singer or poet writing lyrics... it exalts you and only you, for however long that scheme lasts and frees really no one.

Sure there is some truth to it; the Psalms stolen from the puranas... proverbs are good advice no matter who or where someone lives, and the other books? Only were meant for those people directly... the Corinthians, where the people that sculpted the pillars for temples public buildings etc..

So hey pass the plate, often means just pass the buck to feel good... when one knows they are not; an excuse to keep on keeping on and not really caring about anyone else, deep down.

That's why modern psychology is that one on one that is needed to help relive what others or the masses heap on... of course that really is just conversation, sometimes it is one sided and being able to hear and have the patience to do so? Is a very difficult skill to learn or master where ego or other distraction dwells.

a reply to: Gravelbone

That they will only show themselves to those who believe in them doesn't help their cause.

That's okay, it doesn't seem to matter to others anyway.. They also have a deity who only answers to those who believe in him.

a reply to: cooperton

Hello Cooperton, great fan of your threads, I love reading your well researched work and sticking it on the foreheads of silly evolutionists.

I don’t know what it is, but in this life, I think God has banned me from reading the bible. it is the only text I have difficulty reading and understanding. It leaves my head spinning, I feel as though I am dyslexic. That hasn’t stopped the scriptures and their lessons from filtering through to me though and I did have a Christian upbringing.

My discovery of certain esoteric knowledge, allows me to dovetail the knowledge I have gleaned from the Bible, and It is plane to me, that The Holy Bible, explains the gnosis, the very knowledge the Gnostics where keeping secret.

Everything was symbols and hidden meaning, because the full truth could never be revealed to the masses.

It was presented in a way that the average intellect at the time could absorb the societal lessons without letting the cat out of the bag.

The Gnosis was Pythagorean Hylozoics and has been kept secret for several hundred of years before Christ. Scriptures explain most everything in Metaphors, Allegory and parables, excluding any reference to reincarnation and replacing it with resurrection.

Plato, Aristotle, Socrates and many Greek philosophers where all Pythagorean followers.

The church does not want you to know that we are ALL divine and eternal beings, and that we all complete the journey regardless of our mistakes. It just takes longer, but you WILL have a full understanding of the consequences of your actions and evolve from the experience.

I believe you are quite correct in terms of 'qualifying for favour' with the elementals, and there is nothing ambiguous about the elementals understanding of creation. Everyone and everything loves the Creator. Every creature is devoted to the task of serving life. In fact everything beyond the Human mind is devoted to service.

Our separation from our divinity, is what will make us whole eventually.

I enjoyed how you have highlighted the references to the ancient knowledge that didn’t get removed from Bible .. That powerful knowledge has always been reserved for the high cast.

Jesus did Earth magic, he was a divine being, a master of life, a master esoterician who understands the reality of life and our abilities to manipulate energies through the power of the will.

The knowledge of magic has been hidden from us but that doesn’t mean it is not being used against us or used to enrich the lives of the privileged few.

Knowledge truly is power

To paraphrase .. Jesus stated, we can all do what he did. He showed the way. He was displaying white magic available to us through devotion to our creator and his creations. I wonder why anybody would play that down.

Stories of Tibetan monks sitting in a circle around a huge boulder chanting and using horns have been witnessed moving a huge boulder up the side of a mountain to close a cave entrance. These things have been witnessed in our own age but the knowledge is still suppressed.

Awareness is the key, and everyone becomes aware eventually.

originally posted by: kennyb72
a reply to: cooperton

Hello Cooperton, great fan of your threads, I love reading your well researched work and sticking it on the foreheads of silly evolutionists.

I don’t know what it is, but in this life, I think God has banned me from reading the bible. it is the only text I have difficulty reading and understanding. It leaves my head spinning, I feel as though I am dyslexic. That hasn’t stopped the scriptures and their lessons from filtering through to me though and I did have a Christian upbringing.

My discovery of certain esoteric knowledge, allows me to dovetail the knowledge I have gleaned from the Bible, and It is plane to me, that The Holy Bible, explains the gnosis, the very knowledge the Gnostics where keeping secret.

Thank you, that means a lot that the research trail I have been led to is helping others realize our true history! We all have different ways of absorbing the Truth, but nevertheless we all end up at the same mountain peak. The work of Christ surpasses the other prophets because he re-opened the gate to the mountain top. Many are content at base camp, but the Spirit urges everyone to make the ascent. The hidden knowledge of the truth of our being has been incidentally hidden by the self-proclaimed experts, as it was during Jesus's time Luke 11:52

Everything was symbols and hidden meaning, because the full truth could never be revealed to the masses.

It was presented in a way that the average intellect at the time could absorb the societal lessons without letting the cat out of the bag.

The Gnosis was Pythagorean Hylozoics and has been kept secret for several hundred of years before Christ. Scriptures explain most everything in Metaphors, Allegory and parables, excluding any reference to reincarnation and replacing it with resurrection.

Christians that lean towards the legalist end tend to forget that John the Baptist was the reincarnation of the spirit of Elijah. But, I am concerned for those who wait idly for the resurrection, rather than actively pursuing Life while they live (John 11:25-26).

Plato, Aristotle, Socrates and many Greek philosophers where all Pythagorean followers.

Plato and the Greek philosophers surmised the coming of Jesus purely through philosophical insight. It is amazing, and a pure example of how Jesus was the embodiment of the Logos, which means both 'Word' and 'Reason/logic', and was pre-conceived not just by Jewish prophets, but seers and philosophers of all sorts.

SOCRATES: And if they can get hold of this person who takes it in hand to free them from their chains and to lead them up out of the cave, and if they could kill him, will they not actually kill him?
GLAUCON: They certainly will.

The church does not want you to know that we are ALL divine and eternal beings, and that we all complete the journey regardless of our mistakes. It just takes longer, but you WILL have a full understanding of the consequences of your actions and evolve from the experience.

It makes me sad the abundance of preachers leading people and especially kids into the very trap that they should be seeking freedom from.

Our separation from our divinity, is what will make us whole eventually.

Exactly. The only point of separation is so that one day we get to enjoy the gift of Unity. Without momentary suffering, eternal bliss and freedom would have no context.

I enjoyed how you have highlighted the references to the ancient knowledge that didn’t get removed from Bible .. That powerful knowledge has always been reserved for the high cast.

Jesus did Earth magic, he was a divine being, a master of life, a master esoterician who understands the reality of life and our abilities to manipulate energies through the power of the will.

The knowledge of magic has been hidden from us but that doesn’t mean it is not being used against us or used to enrich the lives of the privileged few.

Knowledge truly is power

To paraphrase .. Jesus stated, we can all do what he did. He showed the way. He was displaying white magic available to us through devotion to our creator and his creations. I wonder why anybody would play that down. Stories of Tibetan monks sitting in a circle around a huge boulder chanting and using horns have been witnessed moving a huge boulder up the side of a mountain to close a cave entrance. These things have been witnessed in our own age but the knowledge is still suppressed.

Yeah it's still partially preserved in the text, but Jesus's miracles often get dismissed as something only Jesus could have done. Even though he explicitly says that anyone can follow his footsteps and be like him. Therefore we all have the potential to work with the elementals. That is the goal after all, for the student to become like the teacher.

"anyone with faith the size of a mustard seed can say to this mountain 'move from here to there' and it will listen, this kind only goes about in prayer and fasting"

This is a reference to the fasting of John, and the power granted to those purified through such a process to have command over the earthly elements. It is no doubt that the Tibetan monks are foregoing the same process. Though they may not have the Biblical texts to read it, the words of Truth are emerging in their hearts and they know intuitively how to follow the Christ path.

Awareness is the key, and everyone becomes aware eventually.

It is inevitable for those that the Creator has chosen to come to fruition. The Creation waits in eager expectation for the children of God to be revealed. I think the Baptism of John preceded Christ for a reason. The Baptism of John was water fasts, cold baths, and raw vegetarian food, preparing our body to clearly see and hear the Spirit arising within our being. The archetypal human that is married to the Most High Spirit has therefore inherited dominion over all spirits - elementals, demons, angels, etc... Demons perceived the Most High's presence upon Jesus, and they begged to not be thrown into oblivion. If the elementals and angels work with us, and the demons serve us, how is there anything that we could ever be lacking??? For these reasons it is futile to serve or put our primary faith in anything lesser than the Most High.

a reply to: cooperton

It is inevitable for those that the Creator has chosen to come to fruition. The Creation waits in eager expectation for the children of God to be revealed. I think the Baptism of John preceded Christ for a reason. The Baptism of John was water fasts, cold baths, and raw vegetarian food, preparing our body to clearly see and hear the Spirit arising within our being. The archetypal human that is married to the Most High Spirit has therefore inherited dominion over all spirits - elementals, demons, angels, etc... Demons perceived the Most High's presence upon Jesus, and they begged to not be thrown into oblivion. If the elementals and angels work with us, and the demons serve us, how is there anything that we could ever be lacking??? For these reasons it is futile to serve or put our primary faith in anything lesser than the Most High.

From a recent experience, I believe he allows us to speak in righteous anger with support from elementals. That is their choice and nothing I would command or claim dominion over. I feel as though I am just now being introduced and routinely experiencing totally bizarre occurrences, riddles I am still trying to solve.

My faith in the creator is absolute. For some reason I find myself alone, at least in this hemisphere but I feel as though I am surrounded by love.

I don't know what will happen tomorrow, I never make plans now.

Life comes to me regardless of if I want a day off.

Plato and the Greek philosophers surmised the coming of Jesus purely through philosophical insight. It is amazing, and a pure example of how Jesus was the embodiment of the Logos, which means both 'Word' and 'Reason/logic', and was pre-conceived not just by Jewish prophets, but seers and philosophers of all sorts.

Yes the coming of Jesus was well expected, but it wasn't so much philosophical insite but messages received from their seers, Causal minds knew that Jesus was coming, precognition has always been part of the human condition. They where all waiting for the signs from the elementals and the Angels.

a reply to: kennyb72

Originally posted by kennyb72

I don’t know what it is, but in this life, I think God has banned me from reading the bible. it is the only text I have difficulty reading and understanding. It leaves my head spinning, I feel as though I am dyslexic. That hasn’t stopped the scriptures and their lessons from filtering through to me though and I did have a Christian upbringing.

My discovery of certain esoteric knowledge, allows me to dovetail the knowledge I have gleaned from the Bible, and It is plane to me, that The Holy Bible, explains the gnosis, the very knowledge the Gnostics where keeping secret.

I feel where you’re coming from…the Bible can be tuff too wade through at times… for most people, it’s like a maze without a guide map lol…

Speaking of the guide map; All Understanding comes from the Spirit of God…The key is in the spiritual metaphors depicted…the Spirit teaches in symbolism and pictures. Contemplating the deeper meaning of things, will lead to many epiphanies, but it won’t happen overnight.

The Gnosis is encoded in the Exodus, Psalm's, Proverbs, Job, and in Jesus parables…

The Bible was my sole path to Gnosis…although since then I’ve branched out to other material, like the Gnostic texts, Hermeticism and Rosicrucianism etc…

Originally posted by kennyb72

Everything was symbols and hidden meaning, because the full truth could never be revealed to the masses.

It was presented in a way that the average intellect at the time could absorb the societal lessons without letting the cat out of the bag.

The Gnosis was Pythagorean Hylozoics and has been kept secret for several hundred of years before Christ. Scriptures explain most everything in Metaphors, Allegory and parables, excluding any reference to reincarnation and replacing it with resurrection.

This is true… the Gnostics had a totally different meaning for the word “resurrection”, which from their perspective was largely to do with spiritual awakening, rather than being about physically rising from the dead.

Originally posted by kennyb72
Plato, Aristotle, Socrates and many Greek philosophers where all Pythagorean followers.

The church does not want you to know that we are ALL divine and eternal beings, and that we all complete the journey regardless of our mistakes. It just takes longer, but you WILL have a full understanding of the consequences of your actions and evolve from the experience.

It’s also the nature of the knowledge itself imo… God doesn’t want to force his way in; it has to be the seeker who initiates…in most cases.

Waking up to the fact that you are an eternal being overnight, might be tricky to handle for most people. Where as going through small baby steps and being guided slowly and gently…is the way of the Spirit. Each individual must seek and have their heart tested…

- JC

a reply to: Joecroft

I feel where you’re coming from…the Bible can be tuff too wade through at times… for most people, it’s like a maze without a guide map lol…

I have an inner voice telling me that, that is how it was designed for me, I think my purpose and the purpose of many is to go out into life free from preconceptions and discover God for themselves Sans the bible, because HE can't fail to show himself constantly in their lives through syncronicities ~ Coincidences are Gods way of remaining anonymous ~ Albert Einstein

The Bible was my sole path to Gnosis…although since then I’ve branched out to other material, like the Gnostic texts, Hermeticism and Rosicrucianism etc…

At least two of those ism's have foundation in Hylozoics, but I think that Hermeticism was part inspiration for Pythagorus.

Pythagorus was a causal self closing in on his last experiences on Earth, he had divine knowledge at his disposal. In a different timeline he could have been declared a prophet himself. His entire inspiration for constructing his Hylozoic framework of understanding, was as a template for science going forward, with the full knowledge of our spiritual reality.



I would add that all those experiences inspire people to search out what God actually is and who Jesus was and why Jesus and his mastery of life really is the way.

To cooperton

These elementals are apparently controlled with faith or certainty.

It is extraordinary how the last two words of that sentence can almost go unnoticed and yet it is the power of God.

Without them material fire cannot exist; a match cannot be struck nor will flint and steel give off their spark without the assistance of a salamander, who immediately appears (so the mediaeval mystics believed), evoked by friction.

Something best left off of a resume.