Uk government pays wind farms £111 million to stop producing electricity for the grid.

wat an waist of money... to produce moore electricity than we can use…
better invest in electricity storage !

and tru ...the cheapest energy source is still electricity few SAVE nucluair powerplant is enough sigh the oil barons are still against it

and elec. storage is not populair couse in combination with solar panels you dont need to buy it from an company
no profits for them !

originally posted by: ressiv
and elec. storage is not populair couse in combination with solar panels you dont need to buy it from an company
no profits for them !

They pretend environmentalism at the high levels. They actually are hypocrites who want to burn the coal so the gov gets tax money and the UN can get their cut. I know this is happening in the countries who are pushing the UN spin to us because I have met the international environmental scientist at EPA meetings and they agree with being logical like we are wanting here. They too see the problem of people holding back the workable ideas that compete with fossil fuels that are happening at very high levels of gov.

There are cars that we could drive and put our bucket into the lake and wah~la energy but that won't tax too well for them. Greed is a powerful thing. Gold fever is real.

I have threads on the cars and people some think are ATS god's poo poo'd it IMO and one in particular lost my respect as a serious scientist on that issue.

They do the same thing here in the US. They also do it with farming. They dont want to flood the market with cheaper stuff so the market doesn't crash.

Makes no sense to me. Whatever money you save is going to go somewhere. Most people wont put that money in their mattress for all eternity.

Goes to show you the intelligence of government. They're only there to get paid for over complicating things. That's their job. They're the middle man between sense and stupidity and they always side with stupidity.

When supply exceeds demand it's quicker and cheaper to switch off wind turbines than conventional/nuclear power stations. Strange as it may seem.

That said, for wind to be viable, we need to develop better batteries to store energy.

(btw the Tories introduced "zero hour contracts" in the same way they introduced farming and pubs - and all the other businesses that have had "zero hour contracts" employees for centuries. The concept was ancient, the name invented by snowflakes.)

a reply to: sapien82

I believe we've discovered in the U.S., that Nuke plants and wind turbines only produce about a third or less of what we expected when constructed.

Resident's property values have plunged within sight of these facilities with Corp. admissions of their less-than-expected savings.

Not all, not everywhere, but evident in plant closings and reduction in turbine construction*.

*Conversely...wind turbines and solar panels still continue to be used and constructed to replace or compliment other forms of energy.

a reply to: Justoneman

WTF has that post got to do with the topic under discussion?

a reply to: AndyMayhew

Isn’t quicker to turn off coal fired power stations instead? Yes we still have them, or improve the grid so we can use the extra energy? I can’t believe you’ve read the article and can’t see any corruption going on here.

Also the concept of slavery is ancient, doesn’t mean it’s justified.

a reply to: sapien82

There's loads of cash to be made by energy providers and the government if people were on the grid instead of wind!

a reply to: TruthxIsxInxThexMist

that is exactly the reason they are doing this to make cash ,rather than just providing clean free energy for everyone because its renewable !

and we can stop using fossil fuels in scotland and the rest of UK and we can export our clean energy to other nations

Brexit doesnt look that bad if we are generating a surplus of energy which can be sold to our trading partners in the EU
at a cost because they dont have that clean energy to meet all their regulations imposed by the EU

we could be that energy provider if we just improved our systems of generation , storage and transmission!

a reply to: sapien82

Tory government, Tory investor's and major share holders in the Energy firm's making money off of the general public and our astronomical energy prices using tax payer money to keep those prices up by reducing available energy and so enabling them to charge more for the energy which is available, so they squander your money in the form of Tax money sent to pay off the wind farm's and make them produce less energy than they can while at the same time through there company's rip you off yet again by charging you more for the energy they then let you have.

Sadly if Labour had been in it would have been the same, the same behind the scene's crook's the only difference is that they prefer the Tory's in as it make's easier for them and less likely to be queried.

a reply to: sapien82

Wind generation produces variable outputs.

One day, an excess of energy country wide, the next, doldrums.

The next step is to fund regulated storage buffering sites, so that excess doesn't produce oversupply.

Large windfarms tend to be in remote places with no alternate energy production in near proximity. If the windfarm is on the end of a single transmission line, the maximum allowable output is likely to be considerably less than the line rating and the farm capability for system security reasons. This is because the worst credible event at high outputs would be the loss of the line so maximum production will be limited by the capability of the rest of the network to pick up that lost generation fast enough to keep the overall system frequency within 1Hz of nominal.

So ancillary service availability of the entire network system will determine what the maximum output can be at any time. System constraints are evaluated and applied automatically in real time by the management system and it can be cheaper to constrain the windfarm than to dispatch other generation on low load to cover the contigency event.

a reply to: Pandaram

It sucks that they've taken that ability ro generate extra income away from you, I knew people were getting paid for their excess electricity going into the grid but hadn't realised it had stopped.

I know there's a battery plant getting built somewhere near by, there was a piece about it in tbe local tag about a year ago I think, speaking of the hundreds of jobs it would create.

Was it under the Tory leadership that this was done? It wouldn't surprise me, they don't seem to like anyone capitilising on anything but themselves. "oh look, the peasants have started profiting again, better nip that in tbe bud quick smart!" the sooner we rid ourselves of this shower of #e the better.

If Scotland is producing so much energy, when we become independent after Brexit we can sell our electricity to the rUK, after all, they've just lost one power plant in tbe making and power consumption is only going up...

a reply to: sapien82

Definitely requires an upgrade, but that's worldwide and not just in the UK.

The reason being, just like our road and rail systems, our power grid, was never envisaged nor designed to accommodate the additional load.

They just never seen our information age on the horizon back then.

a reply to: eletheia

I am old enough to remember hospitals that were *hospitals* in as much as they treated the patient and had selected times for visitors. NOW hospitals are akin to business visitors 16 hours per day? Food/cafe franchises, shop/newspapers/books on sale, parking charges, A lot of business's and money making on the side of health issues???? Makes one wonder why the NHS is always needing more money the parking charges and therefor profits on that alone are mindblowing........

You have heard of PFI's

Instead of large windfarms maybe they should have started with small wind farms and gauged the output from there. Once again we have private companies sucking up taxpayers money for free.

Along with all other stupid contracts that the UK government has tied us into and didn't have the foresight to add a caveat into the contract that would stop the frittering away of our hard earned cash, we should, 1, rip them up, 2, tell those who object to # off and 3, offer them back out to tender at more sensible and favourable terms for the UK taxpayer. What are these companies going to do?

I've said it a million times, Those in power treat the UK taxpayers cash like it's their own.

a reply to: Soloprotocol

Good grief.....

Got to say, great link followed by a great post.

It all needs levelling to the ground and starting afresh.