Federal Government Employees Working For Free is a Hyped-up LIE.

a reply to: jimmyx

that budget PASSED BOTH HOUSES OF CONGRESS last year when controlled by republicans....and what the F is so important about trips to Puerto Rico, who cares, both republicans and democrats take trips...trump is the one that vetoed it last year, that's why republicans are to blame, period

I think you got that one little part wrong. trump did not veto it... (as somebody quickly pointed out calling you a dufus without debunking the rest of your claim though lol)... You are right trump said he would sign the bill until fox news told him not too... then he followed his fox news advisers and said he would not sign it. I believe it was at that point that bitch mcconnell refused to call for a vote on it on in the Senate. Knowing that it would pass and that rump would veto it and then the senate would override his veto making his supreme overlord look bad...

Lol, yeah sure. One thing I can always count on when it comes to America hating right wingers. Their situation always fits the narrative they seek. a reply to: PokeyJoe

What I find ironic is that the right wing trump supporters think by insulting the American worker they will somehow
insulate trump from the backlash.

Even trumps own favorite poll is showing his declining popularity due to this debacle.

www.aol.com...

originally posted by: DoubleDNH

originally posted by: NightFlight
What ever happened to unemployment insurance? They can't receive that anymore?

Someones lying...

I believe you cannot collect unemployment insurance if you are working without pay. Might be incorrect on that one though.

Agreed but that would cause the Dems to stop the beach party and get to work.

a reply to: Speedtek

Whatever Happened to Diversity ? A Person has to do what they gotta do to Survive .....

originally posted by: olaru12
What I find ironic is that the right wing trump supporters think by insulting the American worker they will somehow
insulate trump from the backlash.

Even trumps own favorite poll is showing his declining popularity due to this debacle.

www.aol.com...

Yup polls are so meaningful to Trump and his supporters. The D’s refuse to even show up to negotiate. It’s all on them and people will remember.

www.washingtonpost.com... sition-to-border-wall/2019/01/15/2539482e-18d2-11e9-9ebf-c5fed1b7a081_story.html?utm_term=.16d0aaa19479

originally posted by: whywhynot

originally posted by: olaru12
What I find ironic is that the right wing trump supporters think by insulting the American worker they will somehow
insulate trump from the backlash.

Even trumps own favorite poll is showing his declining popularity due to this debacle.

www.aol.com...

Yup polls are so meaningful to Trump and his supporters. The D’s refuse to even show up to negotiate. It’s all on them and people will remember.

www.washingtonpost.com... sition-to-border-wall/2019/01/15/2539482e-18d2-11e9-9ebf-c5fed1b7a081_story.html?utm_term=.16d0aaa19479

your link is 404ed.

This is what they will remember...and the longer it goes on, the worse it will be for trump. It's not just affecting the workers but their families and the businesses that rely on their patronage.

www.foxnews.com...

the polls will continue to be bad for Pres Trump as the media will spin this as Trump is Evil.

both sides are playing to their bases. Trump is making the secure-borders crowd happy.
and Nancy is pleasing the San Fran millionaire$ who believe in the Federation and open borders, and the local dem operatives who see new voters coming in.

the wild card is the fed workers / unions. they don't vote Republican so Trump doesn't care about. He is hoping they will pressure Nancy to cave.

so all the pressure is on the dems as the union/government workers beg to get paid and the progressive super-rich say no. this could lead to some real infighting.
the actual merits of the wall are pretty irrelevant to the dems as far as I can tell.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: carewemust

Missing rent and mortgage payments can be problematic. As can running up credit card debt.

Allowing the waves of illegal immigrants lefties like you want in is even more problematic. It cost us billions of dollars and none of these people can be properly vetted.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: havok

Ok.

Not sure what that has to do with saying that the shutdown is no big deal though. For many it certainly is a big deal.

And so is allowing illegal immigrants that "lefties want" meanwhile depriving people who suffer political, or religious prosecution, and want to immigrate legally into the U.S. have been denied under the Obama, and Clinton administrations.

Lefties only care for "certain illegal immigrants." None of you care/d about the fact that Obama shut down "wet foot/dry foot" which allowed Cubans to seek asylum in the U.S. when many Cubans are still being persecuted by the "left-wing regime."

But then again, Cubans lived almost 60 years of communist lies under a socialist economy, and we know better than to believe "democrats/liberals." The majority of us, Cuban immigrants, vote Republican which is what "left-wingers" like yourself don't want. You only want "illegal immigrants" who still believe in "socialism and communism" even though they have been living it for a couple years, or a few more like the people of Venezuela.

I think it's far enough into the thread to veer slightly off-topic.

The below article contains a letter that provides very informative insight into Federal Government employee operations and processes. Lots of redundancy and waste.

Letter from Anonymous Trump Official: dailycaller.com...

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After the shut-down has lasted 30 days, a wholesale reduction in force can be legally authorized.

Source: www.americanthinker.com...

I look at it this way, I work in the private sector, my employment is at will. So at any time, for no reason at all, I can be let go of my job thus losing my income. I have contingencies in place to mitigate that risk, yet I know that every day even if I do an outstanding job I can lose it in an instant.

Government employees on the other hand do not have to face that particular situation. In deciding to work for the government, they have chosen a job that aside from popping positive on a piss test, it takes almost an act of congress to remove them from their position. They can be as lazy and incompetent at their job, with no fear of retribution, while being paid a higher than average salary. There are benefit packages in place that don't exist in a lot of private sector jobs that are available to them as well.

That's the trade-off. I see a total of 10 shut-downs, ever, that have led to government employees possibly being paid late. 10, in 39 years, 80 total days (and counting) that government employees had their pay held for a duration of time. I'm sorry, call me heartless on this one, but I can't seem to find the strength in me to get worked up on their behalf. I've known some incredible federal workers as well, but the ones that are shall I say less than stellar far exceed that number.

I do however feel much worse for those employees that are not federal, but part of private businesses that support federal, as they, depending on the length of the shut-down run a significantly higher risk of losing their income from that role on a more permanent basis. Yet I don't exactly see anyone talking about that fact, I wonder why that is?

a reply to: TinySickTears

They will be paid immediately upon reopening. I can think of many examples of this being done to the common worker out there. For example, if you're hurt on the job, does the worker compensation happen immediately? No it does not. If you go for social security income you have to wait sometimes years. Though they will BACKPAY from the original file date but where is you're outcry for all those people waiting for their money? Teachers in LA are on strike now too, what about their money? How long do you think the strike is going to last? Do you think 43kids a classroom is okay? Because it's only going to get worse with unchecked ILLEGAL immigration. 22000 kids in December 2018 were brought into the USA illegally across the southern border. Life is hard and I just bet this government shutdown is talked about in depth in legalese within the hire documents. You know all the documents that you sign and "bind" yourself to when hired especially for government workers...
Build the wall, nice and tall! Shutdown is on the Democrats hands, ball's in their court.... We're all just waiting for them to do the right thing here which is to protect our border.

Ill just leave this here too because of relevancy.

originally posted by: TinySickTears
right from his source

Eric Young is the president of the union that represents the approximately 30,000 employees of the Federal Bureau of Prisons who are working during the government shutdown.
Young’s members, scattered at 122 facilities located in largely rural areas across the country, aren’t being paid and don’t know when their next paycheck will come.

Like the leaders of virtually every federal-employee union during the past three weeks, he has condemned the shutdown and its toll on innocent workers as “unconscionable.”

“My personal opinion,” Young told me over the phone from his office in Arkansas, “is that it constitutes involuntary servitude.”

Faced with a potentially indefinite shutdown, the unions have turned to the courts for relief. The American Federation of Government Employees has filed a lawsuit against the Trump administration alleging that by requiring employees to work without pay, the government is in violation of the Fair Labor Standards Act, a 1938 law that mandates a minimum wage and overtime pay both to public- and private-sector workers.

yeah
no big deal

only a gang of unions suing the administration over it

i find it highly amusing they have a union rep talking up the issue. when the fact is that their union has not properly done it's job in the first place. why have they never set up a government shutdown fund so that their union members can at least receive partial pay (and considering they always get paid in the end, it would just have to be a loan), during shutdowns if needed. after all it's not like government shutdowns are unexpected, or have never happened before. in fact in recent years it seems government shutdowns are almost guaranteed. personally i think the courts should throw out any such suit since the unions have not done their due diligence towards the workers they represent. not to mention the fact that in a lawsuit you need to sue all involved parties, and i notice that the democrats in congress that are causing the shutdown are conspicuous in their absence. so where is their being held for their responsibility for the workers not recieving their pay on time?

OP has been intellectually dishonest this entire time.

They keep saying that the article and media are blowing it out of proportion because the workers aren't working for free, they will eventually be paid.

But as of right now that is not true.

Trump has not signed the bill approving back pay therefore they are working for free

Until he signs that bill the employees are technically not going to be paid ever

The OP loves playing the semantics game even though they are no good at it

What a failed government. All this government shutdown is over money to build a wall. Both you liberal idiots and right wing fanatics are responsible for this dumb crap. WE the Americans are lames for allowing these fools into our government and break it completely. I am utterLY Shocked America, Still exists right now. Thank god for the fear of nukes if not for those this system would have already been replaced. Ashamed of the State run media and these morons in DC.

a reply to: carewemust

Ya know, you and a few others have completely overtaken this website and turned it into your own conservative sh++ show. It’s a sad thing really. You fail to see that you are just as spiteful and manipulative as the liberal media. And you’ve come here to post your vitriol propaganda more times per day than any normal human being has the time for.

Now you’re attacking the livelihood and character of those most affected by this government shut down, the federal employees. 99% of whom are completely innocent in all this. Until my wife gets paid, she’s working for free. You can spin any way you want but that’s the fact of the matter.

You constantly defend trump but fail to see he and the conservatives are just as guilty in this circus as the rest of them. Not only do you fail to see it you are purposely refusing to look the other way with an open mind. This place is supposed to deny ignorance. You and your kind have become the face of ignorance. But your spamming of this website has pushed so many rationally minded people away that you’ve all made it your own little funhouse. Q would be so proud of you!

I know...I know...terms and conditions. Mods, at least let it sit for a bit so they can read it before you delete this post.

It doesn't matter so much if you get paid retroactively if you've lost your house or had to borrow so then need to pay interest, run up credit card bills with higher interest, have to change your job to keep afloat, lose a pension, lose healthcare until the new one comes in to play..... there are many reasons why not getting paid on time can cost you a great deal more than the money that was delayed.

a reply to: carewemust

Danger of the job. Sign a law into being that wages are paid despite budget disputes. The money printers are at work, issue pay the old way in freshly printed cash.

a reply to: Assassin82