Neo-Nazis Are Organizing Secretive Paramilitary Training Across America

originally posted by: sine.nomine
a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

Okay that's 62 pages, so I honestly don't have the time to go through it, but I already see it's focused on "right wing terrorism" and "Islamic terrorism". What about left wing terrorism then? That just doesn't seem to exist in any document or source you've provided.

I guess the only terrorism is right wing. Funny how that works.

If you can’t be bothered reading then that’s not my fault.

Left wing terrorism is most definitely a reality but it’s not as statistically significant as right wing and Islamic terrorism. It’s judt a fact.

Now you can ignore that, you can talk about Antifa or whatever you want but it does not change facts. I am not spinning anything I am just telling you that since 2001 62% of terrorist attacks in America have been perpetrated by right wing motivations.

a reply to: DBCowboy

When leftists attack, break things, harm people. . . it's called "free speech".

When anyone else hurts feelings, it's called an "attack".

Still mad about broken windows and grafitti?

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Far-Right Proud Boys Reeling After Arrests and Scrutiny

But two months later, as prosecutors move ahead with charges, the all-male Proud Boys group is in disarray. Ten members have been arrested in connection with the violence, charged with riot and attempted assault as part of an investigation into their activities.

The Proud Boys have been widely condemned as a hate group. Facebook and Instagram have banned the group. The Southern Poverty Law Center has labeled it a “hate group.” An organization called New York City Antifa, whose members describe themselves as “anti-fascists,” has named the Proud Boys who were involved in the violence and has posted details about their lives on Twitter.

Even the founder, Gavin McInnes, has distanced himself, announcing on YouTube in late November that he was quitting the group “in all capacities, forever.” His departure left the Proud Boys without a figurehead, though the group has since said in an online message that, “We’re not going anywhere.”

We all gots priorities I guess

originally posted by: olaru12

originally posted by: Breakthestreak

originally posted by: soundguy
You should really stop repeating that lie. Everyone knows it’s a lie, and the few people who are obsessed with repeating it here aren’t changing anyone’s mind. However, when you see some of your right wing nazi pals you should inform them how stupid they are to be worshiping a liberal leftest, lmao.

I have a former friend that’s a member of one of those groups. These people are not right in the head. Mix in some religion and they are about a crazy as you can get and still walk the street.





a reply to: Breakthestreak

How incorrect is your belief system?

Very.

Nazis were a left wing government.

Could you answer this for me if that true....


Why did the Nazis hate the Jews and the Far right wingers like the KKK, Aryan Nation, New Century foundation, Atomwaffen, etc. also hate Jews and people of color.

Probably for the same reason that Farrakhan and Linda Srasour and so many on the left are also anti-Semitic. Why don't you ask them? They haven't been disavowed last I checked, so it will be all right if you do.

originally posted by: ErrorErrorError

originally posted by: sine.nomine
a reply to: ErrorErrorError

I said some of us. Some. Yes, some of us are trying to have a discussion. You're only feeding into what you supposedly despise. You don't see that?

What are your thoughts on the topic? I didn't seem to catch that.

My thoughts?
I'm not surprised.
USA is a perfect breeding ground for neo nazi filth.
Everyone can spout hate, without consequences.
Everyone can buy a firearm.
They finally have a president they wished for.
Not all Trump supporters are neo nazis, but all neo nazis support Trump.
Why is it hard to believe that nazis have training camps in USA? They are protected by the constitution

And every antifa terrorist lowlife doesn't support Trump. What's your point? You're trying to imply it's somehow mutually exclusive to be a trump supporter and to be violent. I'm saying it's not. I'm saying incidents of "right wing terrorism" are played up while "left wing terrorism" is played down. I feel perfectly safe walking down the street.

Oh, and

You seem to be big on that.

originally posted by: Breakthestreak

originally posted by: olaru12

originally posted by: Breakthestreak

originally posted by: soundguy
You should really stop repeating that lie. Everyone knows it’s a lie, and the few people who are obsessed with repeating it here aren’t changing anyone’s mind. However, when you see some of your right wing nazi pals you should inform them how stupid they are to be worshiping a liberal leftest, lmao.

I have a former friend that’s a member of one of those groups. These people are not right in the head. Mix in some religion and they are about a crazy as you can get and still walk the street.





a reply to: Breakthestreak

How incorrect is your belief system?

Very.

Nazis were a left wing government.

Could you answer this for me if that true....


Why did the Nazis hated the Jews and the Far right wingers like the KKK, Aryan Resistance, New Century foundation, etc. also hate Jews and people of color.

Oh so because I don’t ‘hate gays’ then I’m a ‘leftist’?
Is that your argument?
Why did nazis take away gun rights?
Why did they enforce socialism?
Why did they pretty much follow Bernie Sanders’ doctrine to the letter?

I don't think Bernie was much of an influence on the Nazis...being a Jew and all.

a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

Would you consider the bike lock attack to be politically motivated? I guarantee you it's not considered that in your statistics.

originally posted by: sine.nomine
a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

Would you consider the bike lock attack to be politically motivated? I guarantee you it's not considered that in your statistics.

It doesn’t matter all that matters is if it lead to terrorist charges if it did then yes, it’s a terrorist attack.

originally posted by: olaru12

originally posted by: Breakthestreak

originally posted by: olaru12

originally posted by: Breakthestreak

originally posted by: soundguy
You should really stop repeating that lie. Everyone knows it’s a lie, and the few people who are obsessed with repeating it here aren’t changing anyone’s mind. However, when you see some of your right wing nazi pals you should inform them how stupid they are to be worshiping a liberal leftest, lmao.

I have a former friend that’s a member of one of those groups. These people are not right in the head. Mix in some religion and they are about a crazy as you can get and still walk the street.





a reply to: Breakthestreak

How incorrect is your belief system?

Very.

Nazis were a left wing government.

Could you answer this for me if that true....


Why did the Nazis hated the Jews and the Far right wingers like the KKK, Aryan Resistance, New Century foundation, etc. also hate Jews and people of color.

Oh so because I don’t ‘hate gays’ then I’m a ‘leftist’?
Is that your argument?
Why did nazis take away gun rights?
Why did they enforce socialism?
Why did they pretty much follow Bernie Sanders’ doctrine to the letter?

I don't think Bernie was much of an influence on the Nazis...being a Jew and all.

Pretty sure I said his doctrine.

But you go ahead and miss the point entirely.

originally posted by: sine.nomine

originally posted by: ErrorErrorError

originally posted by: sine.nomine
a reply to: ErrorErrorError

I said some of us. Some. Yes, some of us are trying to have a discussion. You're only feeding into what you supposedly despise. You don't see that?

What are your thoughts on the topic? I didn't seem to catch that.

My thoughts?
I'm not surprised.
USA is a perfect breeding ground for neo nazi filth.
Everyone can spout hate, without consequences.
Everyone can buy a firearm.
They finally have a president they wished for.
Not all Trump supporters are neo nazis, but all neo nazis support Trump.
Why is it hard to believe that nazis have training camps in USA? They are protected by the constitution

And every antifa terrorist lowlife doesn't support Trump. What's your point? You're trying to imply it's somehow mutually exclusive to be a trump supporter and to be violent. I'm saying it's not. I'm saying incidents of "right wing terrorism" are played up while "left wing terrorism" is played down. I feel perfectly safe walking down the street.

Oh, and

You seem to be big on that.

I never downplayed anything. You are downplaying neo nazi training camps in USA by bringing up antifa.
Your only response to neo nazi filth having training camps in USA is.... bbbbut Antifa.
And here's another one for ya

About the only ones I am familiar with who don't like jews are some of those new democrat representatives.

Aren't they the new darlings of the left?

a reply to: ErrorErrorError

I've literally said multiple times in this thread that if it's true, and it's a threat, then something should be done. Get glasses.

originally posted by: olaru12
a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

A large scale right wing attack is a matter of when not if.

Which makes me wonder if there are FBI or 3 letter types are monitoring ATS to catalog if there are any malcontents
threatening violence or supporting it.

Have you ever seen anyone on ATS advocate for violence? I haven’t. It would be a big waste of time.

originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin

originally posted by: sine.nomine
a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

Would you consider the bike lock attack to be politically motivated? I guarantee you it's not considered that in your statistics.

It doesn’t matter all that matters is if it lead to terrorist charges if it did then yes, it’s a terrorist attack.

So 9/11 wasn't terrorism? There were no terrorist charges... This is just getting silly. Let's agree to disagree on this. We're getting nowhere.

originally posted by: sine.nomine

originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin

originally posted by: sine.nomine
a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

Would you consider the bike lock attack to be politically motivated? I guarantee you it's not considered that in your statistics.

It doesn’t matter all that matters is if it lead to terrorist charges if it did then yes, it’s a terrorist attack.

So 9/11 wasn't terrorism? There were no terrorist charges... This is just getting silly. Let's agree to disagree on this. We're getting nowhere.

Am sorry what do you think KSM was charged with??

originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin

originally posted by: sine.nomine
a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

Would you consider the bike lock attack to be politically motivated? I guarantee you it's not considered that in your statistics.

It doesn’t matter all that matters is if it lead to terrorist charges if it did then yes, it’s a terrorist attack.

Would you consider the Ft. Hood shooting to be a terrorist attack?

originally posted by: Metallicus

originally posted by: olaru12
a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

A large scale right wing attack is a matter of when not if.

Which makes me wonder if there are FBI or 3 letter types are monitoring ATS to catalog if there are any malcontents
threatening violence or supporting it.

Have you ever seen anyone on ATS advocate for violence? I haven’t. It would be a big waste of time.

Yeah I have.

Even against me personally

It does happen av seem threads where it’s almost like some members want a civil war.

originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin

originally posted by: sine.nomine

originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin

originally posted by: sine.nomine
a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

Would you consider the bike lock attack to be politically motivated? I guarantee you it's not considered that in your statistics.

It doesn’t matter all that matters is if it lead to terrorist charges if it did then yes, it’s a terrorist attack.

So 9/11 wasn't terrorism? There were no terrorist charges... This is just getting silly. Let's agree to disagree on this. We're getting nowhere.

Am sorry what do you think KSM was charged with??

I'm sorry, but your reasoning is absurd and filled with shifting goalposts and bias. I tried, but I'm done here.

originally posted by: ketsuko

originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin

originally posted by: sine.nomine
a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

Would you consider the bike lock attack to be politically motivated? I guarantee you it's not considered that in your statistics.

It doesn’t matter all that matters is if it lead to terrorist charges if it did then yes, it’s a terrorist attack.

Would you consider the Ft. Hood shooting to be a terrorist attack?

Fort hood it a very complex case that’s got nothing really to do with this thread.

Me getting into it either way would totally derail the thread I think but it is a interesting example.

originally posted by: sine.nomine

originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin

originally posted by: sine.nomine

originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin

originally posted by: sine.nomine
a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

Would you consider the bike lock attack to be politically motivated? I guarantee you it's not considered that in your statistics.

It doesn’t matter all that matters is if it lead to terrorist charges if it did then yes, it’s a terrorist attack.

So 9/11 wasn't terrorism? There were no terrorist charges... This is just getting silly. Let's agree to disagree on this. We're getting nowhere.

Am sorry what do you think KSM was charged with??

I'm sorry, but your reasoning is absurd and filled with shifting goalposts and bias. I tried, but I'm done here.

No you just don’t like it when someone knows more than you do but ok.

Am not moving any goal posts.

You seem to by trying to say right wing terrorism isn’t a big threat but the numbers don’t support that

a reply to: sine.nomine

But in North America and Western Europe, the threat of right-wing terrorism is growing.

While the report's preliminary data suggests ISIL, another term for the radical jihadi group, will continue to weaken with a loss of territory and revenue into 2018, threats are taking on new forms across the world.

The threat of far-right political terrorism, for one, is a growing concern in North America and Western Europe, according to the findings. While the United Kingdom, Spain, Finland, Sweden, and Austria were the only countries to experience increases in deaths from terrorism in Western Europe, both Canada and the U.S. experienced increases in total deaths in North America.

In the United States, right-wing violence is on the rise

Over the past decade, attackers motivated by right-wing political ideologies have committed dozens of shootings, bombings and other acts of violence, far more than any other category of domestic extremist, according to a Washington Post analysis of data on global terrorism. While the data show a decades-long drop-off in violence by left-wing groups, violence by white supremacists and other far-right attackers has been on the rise since Barack Obama’s presidency — and has surged since President Trump took office.

In its annual Audit of Anti-Semitic Incidents, ADL found that the number of anti-Semitic incidents in the U.S. rose 57 percent in 2017 – the largest single-year increase on record and the second highest number reported since ADL started tracking such data in 1979. The sharp rise was in part due to a significant increase in incidents in schools and on college campuses, which nearly doubled for the second year in a row.