The Real Evidence of The Mandela Effect.

a reply to: OneBigMonkeyToo

Maybe in YOUR native continuum but for many of us after what I assume was a quantum effect of some kind, perhaps even a merging of two reality's.

(Let me ask you this if the idea of all outcome's and states being equally true but existing in parallel reality's is correct then surely there must be a counter balance effect to that)

This change is extremely evident so some of us as are several other alteration's in the Bible - now remember how important the bible is to us we read it and believe in it and the god it portrays to us and whom to us is more real than this world SO when it changes and the vision it paint's of God is different then for us it is also a reality shattering event.

I actually DO remember it reading as "And the Lion Shall Lie Down with the Lamb" which meant that predation, violence and the dark side of creation would be banished by God whom would redeem his creation from the vandalism his enemy worked upon it but also that the Solder would live in peace with the Healer and both would live under God in peace and harmony - now of course that is merely my interpretation of it but I find it heartening that at least on this point I share the same recollection as so many other's.

Now you may not regard is as empirical evidence BUT to those whom have experienced these changes to there reality and there are a great many of us out here it is a problem since we know that our reality has changed.

While for those of you for whom there is NO change and in the case of when you are as old as many of us whom HAVE experienced this reality change this is for those with an enquiring mind just more information to be taken into account and I for one would assume it mean's that YOU are native to a reality which has either NOT changed or you have somehow changed with it so that for you the time line, the state of matter and that quantum cat in the box that old Schrodinger went on about remain in the form that you are familiar with, in other words we may not share the same origin point in the quantum universe and may actually be from former but now defunct reality's and currently sharing a merged reality which may actually be made up of a great many reality's.

For me I do wonder if this has something to do with black holes and quantum gravitational effect's, either the formation of black hole's zipping those reality's were they exist simultaneously back into a single reality once they form (not hawking's itchy ring stinging brown things but genuine quantum singularity's) or indeed if we at least in our local space are perhaps actually in the grip of a black hole and simply do not know it yet - now I will try to explain it to you.

In a TRUE black hole there is a region called an Event horizon, on the inside of the event horizon is the region of the black hole proper while on the outside of the event horizon is the region were the rest of the universe is.
Now let's say a super massive star collapses and formed a REAL black hole (like I say not one of those hawking oddity's that are by definition dense gravity well's but not actually black holes hence the term brown holes) then let's say that star existed in a universe that up unto that point had undergone multiple quantum outcomes of every potential state and each had then existed in it's own parallel reality BUT that black hole had formed in all of them well that mean's that at the event horizon a severe stress would be applied upon the separation of these side reality's and as you move to the inner terminus of the event horizon the differences in these reality's actually become none, so when the black hole formed a tidal quantum wave effect may have raced out either at the speed of light/gravity OR at even at quantum speed and these side reality's under it's influence AT LEAST in a certain radius around the event and possible weakening over distance from the singularity would have been forced to MERGE, this would have in it's way also created new parallel's but over all the majority of quantum states and there uncertainty would have been massively cancelled out by the wave and forced into a single quantum whole, a single new reality stranding many of the denizens' or at least PART of them in this new reality.

It can even be very severe on occasion.

Thunderbird photo.

This subject interests me. Ok, so those remembering Nelson Mandela dying earlier I ask this:

Nelson Mandela was President of South Africa from 1994 to 1999.

If he died before this time (as you remember), who was President of South Africa in his place?

a reply to: WSC2020

That is a question those that remember Mandela dying could not answer because it is the very fact they remember him dying then NOT that is there experience not the time line in which he was then dead just a hiccup in reality.

So you will forgive me for pointing out but that question suggest you have not really thought about the problem - these are not people whom have traveled to your universe from another one rather they are people whom remember the past differently.

I for instance remember Tommy Lee Jones dying during the making of men in black 3 and them then using composite computer generated images to replace him using old film stock but lo and behold he is still alive though all this really may mean is that WE whom experience these alteration's are actually experiencing a broader range or reality than you.

Let me explain that on more simple term's, there is a theory that there are a virtually infinite number of parallel reality's side by side, there is nothing actually between them and sometime's thing's can pass between these reality's such as may be suggested by the infamous Aperture slit test.
This test uses a light source which is then split into two light sources and sent down two path's, one of the path's has a board at it's end but the other is clear so that the light can pass through and hit a photographic plate.
The result is that this light creates what is called and interference pattern upon the plate however in theory as only half the light is hitting the plate you should in reality only get a half an interference pattern but in actuality time after time you get a full interference pattern produced on that plate.
The explanation is that light which is seemingly both a particle and a wave at the same time - (but behaves as a particle when observed and a wave when not observed - suggestive that the mind or perhaps the consciousness of the observer WARP's reality around itself or NAVIGATES reality at some subconscious level of it's existence) - is actually passing through two or more reality's simultaneously and therefore the light itself is a multiple reality medium of some kind and this explains why there is always a full interference pattern because in a near reality it is the other path that is blocked and yet somehow the light is able to skip this blockage in some way.
Another way of looking at it is Quantum theory.
Now Quantum theory is as close as Science get's to magic, look at this page and you will begin to understand.
ed.ted.com...
Or maybe you will just get all confused as how your reality is suddenly not the fixed and concrete reality you always thought it was?.

Some people may be more aware because at some level of whatever they are be it consciousness or soul (may actually be the same thing, a quantum soul?) they are existing in more than one reality simultaneously - actually if they then exist in MORE reality's than YOU DO then they are actually MORE real than YOU are and of course as spirit's or quantum being's therefore far more potentially powerful?.

originally posted by: LABTECH767
a reply to: WSC2020

That is a question those that remember Mandela dying could not answer because it is the very fact they remember him dying then NOT that is there experience not the time line in which he was then dead just a hiccup in reality.

So you will forgive me for pointing out but that question suggest you have not really thought about the problem - these are not people whom have traveled to your universe from another one rather they are people whom remember the past differently.

I for instance remember Tommy Lee Jones dying during the making of men in black 3 and them then using composite computer generated images to replace him using old film stock but lo and behold he is still alive though all this really may mean is that WE whom experience these alteration's are actually experiencing a broader range or reality than you.

Let me explain that on more simple term's, there is a theory that there are a virtually infinite number of parallel reality's side by side, there is nothing actually between them and sometime's thing's can pass between these reality's such as may be suggested by the infamous Aperture slit test.
This test uses a light source which is then split into two light sources and sent down two path's, one of the path's has a board at it's end but the other is clear so that the light can pass through and hit a photographic plate.
The result is that this light creates what is called and interference pattern upon the plate however in theory as only half the light is hitting the plate you should in reality only get a half an interference pattern but in actuality time after time you get a full interference pattern produced on that plate.
The explanation is that light which is seemingly both a particle and a wave at the same time - (but behaves as a particle when observed and a wave when not observed - suggestive that the mind or perhaps the consciousness of the observer WARP's reality around itself or NAVIGATES reality at some subconscious level of it's existence) - is actually passing through two or more reality's simultaneously and therefore the light itself is a multiple reality medium of some kind and this explains why there is always a full interference pattern because in a near reality it is the other path that is blocked and yet somehow the light is able to skip this blockage in some way.
Another way of looking at it is Quantum theory.
Now Quantum theory is as close as Science get's to magic, look at this page and you will begin to understand.
ed.ted.com...
Or maybe you will just get all confused as how your reality is suddenly not the fixed and concrete reality you always thought it was?.

Some people may be more aware because at some level of whatever they are be it consciousness or soul (may actually be the same thing, a quantum soul?) they are existing in more than one reality simultaneously - actually if they then exist in MORE reality's than YOU DO then they are actually MORE real than YOU are and of course as spirit's or quantum being's therefore far more potentially powerful?.

The question seems simple enough. Because if the answer is "I don't remember" it kind of muddies the issue.

I certainly don't want to offer too much of an opposing view because this is skunk works but I will say...

Re: Mandela Effect.

Fact: Memory is faulty.

Some things are more prone to be misremembered. Therefore many people will misremember them. Many people misremembering the same thing really means nothing significant.

I have memories of things happening in my childhood I swear were a certain way buy my mom tells me no, it wasn't like that.

Mandela effect?

I find it interesting that many of the Mandela Effects are phonetical. Or misspelling.

Or something like Sally Field. Use the possessive. Many times. Over years. It adds an S.

Sally Field's role. Sally Field's speech. Etc...

Or Tom Hanks saying "Life is like a box of chocolates." In speaking, especially with a southern drawl, is and was sound almost identical. Same with "Interview with a/the Vampire". Sounds identical in speaking. The "th" from "with" added to the "a" create a "the" sound. Sex in the City, Sex and the City. Sound almost identical in speaking. So you hear them, never seeing the writing, and the wrong word imprints to memory.

Back years ago there was no internet. Most people didn't read papers. So when you got information or were aware of something it was verbal. Very ripe for phonetic memory error as you're not seeing the written form.

But as you say you remember Tommy Lee Jones dying during MIB 3. So either someone else acted his roll in Lincoln in your "old" reality (or the movie was never made) or you "shifted" prior to seeing him in Lincoln and became aware of the Mandela Effect at that time? We're you aware of the effect in 2012 and that TLJ shouldn't be in Lincoln?

Same with Nelson Mandela. The people that remember him dying, they either heard of him as President in 1994 and thus "shifted" prior to then or in their previous timeline, who was President of South Africa in 1994 after Mandela died?

What I find very interesting concerning this subject is, given the fact human memory is so fallible... is it logical to jump to the conclusion that because you remember a thing to be, it's reality that is changed by whatever means and not simply a bad memory?

I'm not dismissing the concept outright or at face value.

However it would be much easier to get behind if the changes weren't so subtle.

Also, the "effect" runs into the problem of there being actual bad memories that do indeed exist. So there can be a flood of claims: this and that and that are examples!

Not everything can be a Mandela Effect. But it's impossible to disprove.

So it's also almost impossible to discuss rationally.

Time or dimension shift? maybe some thing else?

thier has been talk of a consciousness shift in humans.
maybe some of us have done this.
and we can see that Some Thing is mesing with human memory.

I remember Lion with the Sheep.

Wake up! the kidneys are low down. kidney punch Look it up.
link
Look up more on that.

but if you look it up they show it under the ribs???????
look up "kidney location" google it.

you can see from this, TWO thing at the same time!
Some one or thing IS mesing with us!

But this scares the hell out of people
so they block it out of thire minds.

a reply to: WSC2020

Great argument but in my opinion and that remember is all that it is?.

Most definitely not faulty memory, for some people yes but TOO MANY are noting there reality is NOT what they remember.
We change as we age, our taste bud's lose there ability to taste as well as we once could, our eye sight diminishes and if we have a neurological problem our memory may also diminish as we actually lose over half our neuron's as we approach our dotage.
But fact for you.
Elderly people tend to have increased sharpness of long term memory while they may lose some of there short term memory and become seemingly forgetful as a result (for some old folk it become's almost idetic and they can then relive even smell's, sight's and sound's, there mother hugging them and bandaging there cut knee's when they were three or four and even memory's they could never have recalled in there younger life).

Now this is NOT the same thing as remembering a blue sky and a yellow golden sun, or a change in the bible or indeed several which a faithful christian found jarring to the extreme having read those passages over and over sometimes trying to understand there meaning and sometimes because they resonated with that individual or indeed remembering a television interview with Eugene Terrablanche trying to explain away his white seperatist movement's use of a three armed swastika by pretending he was quoting from that part of the bible which now no longer exists except in the mind or mind's of those whom remember it.
OR any number of other factor's.

Let's look at one case made famous by the net.
www.ghosttheory.com...

Now there are any number of quantum event's that may precipitate this, it may actually be nothing more than a shift in information and if that is the case the same woman whom lived in this reality is still here but she now remembers the life of her counterpart - with whom I might add she is not a seperate entity but a part of a multiverse entity existing in multiple parallel reality's simultaneously with each one shielded from the other's at some sub conscious (not talking about the brain - quantum computer - subconscious but a different definition that would be hard to explain here), now this could have happened in a nearly infinite number of way's.

Now this in fact should comfort you, think on this.
Imagine that there are potentially a near infinite number of parallel reality's beside you right now, inside you, around you and even through you.
You or a version of you exists in some of these reality's and in some cases it is interlinked with other versions of you and perhaps even with you, at a level of consciousness beyond the quantum computer we call a brain - really regard it as a quantum interface for whatever this other pan reality you really is - there is a you that may not be conscious in the singular sense of the world of I am ME we are all aware of in our day to day lives but is more like a hive of inter dimensional interactions between these various version's of you that may exist linked to it - it get's even weirder as it itself may simply be part of another hive at an even higher level.
Now you drop dead in one reality but does that mean kaput, zilch, game over, end of the line - well actually NO! it does not, why well because that consciousness may have lost it's physical interface (what is physical anyway matter is mostly empty space and were it is not it is merely potential's tied in a kind of knot or wave form moving at right angles to the time space continuum along the path of what we perceive as the flow of linear time like ripples on a pond's surface) BUT it remain's aware, it may even remain fully there but no longer has it's link to it's former physicality however the pre-existing scaffold if inter reality interaction remain's and perhaps even reinforces this ex corporeal state making it ever more real but of course it is existing at a HIGHER pan reality state of being's and no longer focused and partitioned off in a singular quantum reality and in fact barring a black hole or some other event that may still erase it there is an odd's on chance it will then be virtually immortal.

originally posted by: LABTECH767
a reply to: WSC2020

Great argument but in my opinion and that remember is all that it is?.

Most definitely not faulty memory, for some people yes but TOO MANY are noting there reality is NOT what they remember.
We change as we age, our taste bud's lose there ability to taste as well as we once could, our eye sight diminishes and if we have a neurological problem our memory may also diminish as we actually lose over half our neuron's as we approach our dotage.
But fact for you.
Elderly people tend to have increased sharpness of long term memory while they may lose some of there short term memory and become seemingly forgetful as a result (for some old folk it become's almost idetic and they can then relive even smell's, sight's and sound's, there mother hugging them and bandaging there cut knee's when they were three or four and even memory's they could never have recalled in there younger life).

Now this is NOT the same thing as remembering a blue sky and a yellow golden sun, or a change in the bible or indeed several which a faithful christian found jarring to the extreme having read those passages over and over sometimes trying to understand there meaning and sometimes because they resonated with that individual or indeed remembering a television interview with Eugene Terrablanche trying to explain away his white seperatist movement's use of a three armed swastika by pretending he was quoting from that part of the bible which now no longer exists except in the mind or mind's of those whom remember it.
OR any number of other factor's.

Let's look at one case made famous by the net.
www.ghosttheory.com...

Now there are any number of quantum event's that may precipitate this, it may actually be nothing more than a shift in information and if that is the case the same woman whom lived in this reality is still here but she now remembers the life of her counterpart - with whom I might add she is not a seperate entity but a part of a multiverse entity existing in multiple parallel reality's simultaneously with each one shielded from the other's at some sub conscious (not talking about the brain - quantum computer - subconscious but a different definition that would be hard to explain here), now this could have happened in a nearly infinite number of way's.

Now this in fact should comfort you, think on this.
Imagine that there are potentially a near infinite number of parallel reality's beside you right now, inside you, around you and even through you.
You or a version of you exists in some of these reality's and in some cases it is interlinked with other versions of you and perhaps even with you, at a level of consciousness beyond the quantum computer we call a brain - really regard it as a quantum interface for whatever this other pan reality you really is - there is a you that may not be conscious in the singular sense of the world of I am ME we are all aware of in our day to day lives but is more like a hive of inter dimensional interactions between these various version's of you that may exist linked to it - it get's even weirder as it itself may simply be part of another hive at an even higher level.
Now you drop dead in one reality but does that mean kaput, zilch, game over, end of the line - well actually NO! it does not, why well because that consciousness may have lost it's physical interface (what is physical anyway matter is mostly empty space and were it is not it is merely potential's tied in a kind of knot or wave form moving at right angles to the time space continuum along the path of what we perceive as the flow of linear time like ripples on a pond's surface) BUT it remain's aware, it may even remain fully there but no longer has it's link to it's former physicality however the pre-existing scaffold if inter reality interaction remain's and perhaps even reinforces this ex corporeal state making it ever more real but of course it is existing at a HIGHER pan reality state of being's and no longer focused and partitioned off in a singular quantum reality and in fact barring a black hole or some other event that may still erase it there is an odd's on chance it will then be virtually immortal.

I'd suspect atmosphere changes causing sun color variation rather than jumping to a parallel universe sun first.

Blue sky this is a new one for me.

The Bible. I remember noticing not only that Lion and the Lamb was wrong back in 1998 but that a whole bunch of other Bible quotes are erroneous.

One other theory I have for a cause of some Mandela Effects is a sort of mental consolidation.

Like I have a friend who was really bad about never actually reading a word but he'd look at the First and last letter and his mind would fill in the blank.

When we recall things our mind is notoriously lazy. We latch on to key memories and "fill in the blanks'.

Regarding the Bible we have many translations, misquotes, people not actually reading it....

And the geography "effects". Were I to present a map with nothing filled out how many countries could the average person name or even states?

Maybe like with South America, we hear "South" and in our mind's eye we picture it more south.

Not to mention how map projections distort size and location of continents and these projections vary.

And lastly we have the ego carrot. There is ego fulfillment in believing this effect. That we are special. That we can see it but others can't. That it's comforting.

(Although some find it terrifying)

However, I'll give you this.

I swear dolly had braces. But I last saw that movie when it came out.

Also, I had two grandmothers succumb to severe Alzheimer's. It only taught me memory is extremely vulnerable, unreliabile and subject to decay.

I'd also argue that a long term memory, if an inaccurate memory would still be faulty.

a reply to: WSC2020

Time I noticed the most change was between 1989 and 1993, somehow for me the bible changed, entire paragraph's vanished from the revelation, passages were different in the new testament and the old, even genesis was slightly different.

As for the blue sky there are quite a few of us whom remember it but the debunkers always fell to using old photo's to prove there point.

I believe there is atmospheric problem's though, the sun does not feel right like it used to, it was more gentle but then we have had our Ozone thinned but to my eye's - and our eye's to age as well - it look's more greenish grey than blue today.

I was a daydreamer as a kid and used to spend hours lying in the grass looking up at the sky, the cloud's and at night using my telescope to stair at the stars and the moon.

a reply to: LABTECH767 I went and took the quiz on page two of this thread, It said I was from another timeline. I think I'd like to go back, maybe,

a reply to: justdust

Oh if only there WAS a way back.
But what if it is not a timeline and instead what we are seeing is some intelligence at work, we have already seen that human being's somehow affect local reality around them in the way they affect quantum states BUT what if some other being or race was using human's and perhaps even other races as well to fine tune it's own reality somehow, using our ability's to affect quantum state over a much larger area of the universe in which world's full of sentient life that had quantum consciousness were somehow used as part's in a kind of machine of some kind so affecting quantum states over a vast area and fine tuning it in just such a way so as to enable a more favorable outcome or state for themselves.

New Mandela Effect!

Do you remember the 1960-70s top Australian tennis player Ken Roswell?

Well now his name has changed to Ken Rosewall!

There's still a bit residue of his old name too.

a reply to: baggy7981

Do you remember the 1960-70s top Australian tennis player Ken Roswell?

No. But I do remember Rosewall.

Residue = Spelling errors.

originally posted by: Somethingsamiss
a reply to: SevenSkies
Star Wars nerd here. It was and always has been “No. I am your father”

So at least one of your pieces will of evidence is faulty.

That proves nothing. The whole thing is that certain individuals have experienced different realities.
Go back to sleep lad. This site is a bit much for your 3 braincells.

originally posted by: LABTECH767
a reply to: justdust

Oh if only there WAS a way back.
But what if it is not a timeline and instead what we are seeing is some intelligence at work, we have already seen that human being's somehow affect local reality around them in the way they affect quantum states BUT what if some other being or race was using human's and perhaps even other races as well to fine tune it's own reality somehow, using our ability's to affect quantum state over a much larger area of the universe in which world's full of sentient life that had quantum consciousness were somehow used as part's in a kind of machine of some kind so affecting quantum states over a vast area and fine tuning it in just such a way so as to enable a more favorable outcome or state for themselves.

You can't go back. The splits are caused because of your awakening.

a reply to: Saibotkram1988

The whole thing is that certain individuals have experienced different realities.

No, they haven't. They just have terrible memories and are extremely gullible.

a reply to: LABTECH767

BUT what if some other being or race was using human's and perhaps even other races as well to fine tune it's own reality somehow, using our ability's to affect quantum state over a much larger area of the universe in which world's full of sentient life that had quantum consciousness were somehow used as part's in a kind of machine of some kind so affecting quantum states over a vast area and fine tuning it in just such a way so as to enable a more favorable outcome or state for themselves.

What? By changing lines in films and changing tractor manufacturer's logos? Why the hell would they bother?

the fralties of the human mind - offer a perfect explaination for all presented " mandela delusions "

this is best shown by " alternate spelling " delusions

ever notice that ALL the correct spellings are rare , counterintuative and more complex

ken rosewall . austrailian tennis player = perfect example

someone up thread claims that they remember ken roswell , austrailian tennis player

hmm - roswell - that sounds a familiar word - cannot think where i has heard it before

a reply to: ignorant_ape

The english language has been progressively butchered just in my lifetime so who knows where we'll end up and, as for me, I'm getting used to it although the spelling errors or incorrect use of a word that sounds about right (phonetic spelling) still stand out to me. Eg their, there, they're or I'll, aisle, isle etc

Perhaps we're witnessing a kind of evolution in progress.

a reply to: ignorant_ape

and on the subject of " alternate events " // " alternate realities "

actions always have consequences - mandela delusions never seem to explain what consequences there were

the " australia was in a diffent place , in the previous timeine i inhabited " delusion is one that carries a massive burden of alternate consequence - that never gets mentioned - i has addressed tis before - but to be brief - when was australia discovered by a european - and who was it / where did they make first land fall ?

and as for mandelas death :

you must have inhabited the " alternate timeline " of " nelson mandela - died on < insert date > " for an unspecified period - yes it could have been as short as one day - but - what date was it - how did he die - what was the fall out ?

the question of " on what day did mandela die - also begs the question - how many other mandela delusion sufferes - agree with your date ?

everything has consequences - and actions have reactions

the mandela delusions - are a bubble in your mind - get over it