And the other Alternative, Mexico becomes part of The United States of America

Can't happen you say? - You're probably right.

But let's just explore the idea - After all Mexico has never been an enemy of America - Not since the war where the US won a big part of Mexico
in the Mexican American War of 1846 - Mexico lost - Still then, like now there were many Mexicans in the United States.

And for well over 150 years this continues - Americans seem to like Mexicans as long as they can be controlled as second class citizens
of the United States - to work as domestic servants and do back breaking work picking vegetables on farms.

No, I'm not talking about annexing Mexico - I'm talking about a voluntary agreement where Mexico agrees to statehood as a state
of the United States of Ameicas ruled by Ameircan law.

The first argument against, which most will not admit, is you really don't like the idea so many 'Latinos' becoming American.

But what is the United States if not the great melting pot of the World - The nation built on the mixing of cultures, religions
and nationalities from around the globe - America has been built on its ability of inclusiveness for all
- It's Constitution an example of an ideology that is all encompassing.

OK, today it's all money - And Trump makes a strong case for illegal immigration having a negative economic impact
- But a United States of America that includes Mexico could create an economic boom for business and industry
that, as the famous boxer Muhammad Ali once said, will 'Shock and amaze you'.

And this blame Mexico for drugs, only partially true, as America creates the demand, could be better controlled.

Yes, your right it probably won't happen - The Human mind is too myopic [narrow minded] to see true solutions
- too selfish - too willing to accept an US against them scenario.

A wall separating the United States from Mexico will not end the problem - but accepting Mexico as part of our
'Manifest Destiny' will.

I say Mexico would accept - How many million of Mexicans say they really want to be Americans?

I know its all a matter of economics - Do we really want to keep waisting money to keep Mexicans as second class people ???

a reply to: AlienView

Why just Mexico? What about Haiti and Guatemala and Honduras and El Salvador and Venezuela. ......?

What's the benefit the USA gets by being so gracious and allowing them to join the Union.

Mexico would be better as a "Territory" 🤓

a reply to: AlienView

"yawn"


Is illegal immigration a problem? Absolutely.

Do we have other problems these assholes should have a pissing contest over first? Absof###inglutely.

Luckily my cynicism and healthy winter red wine/bourbon intake makes me laugh that intelligent and informed people get caught up in this.

a reply to: AlienView

Congratulations!

I know that it is early in the year, but so far you have managed to make the most bigoted and racist (by the real meanings of the words) OP that I have read yet.

Please don't delete this thread!

I think ATS as a community needs to use this post as a litmus test against all other threads forthcoming... and see if it will stand up to the test of time as the most racist thread of the year.

The first argument against, which most will not admit, is you really don't like the idea so many 'Latinos' becoming American.

And for well over 150 years this continues - Americans seem to like Mexicans as long as they can be controlled as second class citizens
of the United States - to work as domestic servants and do back breaking work picking vegetables on farms.

Do we really want to keep waisting money to keep Mexicans as second class people?

Back in the early 80s I was working in Mexico right after the big devaluation that was brought about by Mexico's foreign debt. There was a joke going around Mexico then that went like this:

Miguel de la Madrid (then Mexico's President) and Ronald Reagan (US President) had a meeting about liquidating Mexico's external debt. President Reagan offered to pay off all of Mexico's debt in exchange for The border states of Tamaulipas, Nuevo Leon and Coahuila. President de la Madrid said he'd consult with his cabinet and get back to President Reagan in one week.

At the next meeting, President de la Madrid said, "Mr. Reagan, we will accept your offer. We will give you Tamaulipas, Nuevo Leon and Coahuila if your country will pay off our foreign debt."

President Reagan replied, "Excellent, Mr. de la Madrid. We are happy to make this exchange. When will you start the evacuation?"
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a reply to: CriticalStinker

Bigger problems like trans bathrooms? Old offensive monuments? Safe spaces at schools? Pick a crazy lane.

1/3 of Mexico's population lives in the US now.
I think the OP is on to something.
Why close the border now?
The cow is out of the barn and over the hill several towns.

originally posted by: bender151
a reply to: CriticalStinker

Bigger problems like trans bathrooms? Old offensive monuments? Safe spaces at schools? Pick a crazy lane.

Yea sure, I'll play.

Pointless wars that cost thousands of Americans and 6~ trillion in tax payers' dollars. You know, things I actually actively support on Trump's platform. His policy regarding immigration are in line with every recent president, but let's he honest, both sides have weapomized this issue for posturing in 2020.

Cool buzz words and what not though.

a reply to: CriticalStinker
Yep!

Honestly? Where the United States of America went wrong was back in 1848 when we stopped at the current border.

Had we conquered down to present day Colombia back then, we all would be in a much better place right now.

Americans that is. North, South, and Central~ America's populations included. You can deny it but it is true. 'Mexico' would be absolutely prospering by now. Combined with Canada as Ally would be a helluva force.

Present day South America would benefit solely from being closer to our border just as Mexico has.

And then the land border would only need be 30 miles across.

AND Illicit transports by ocean would have a huge distance to cover. With ports and islands monitored, I imagine it'd be extremely difficult, because boats need fuel and such. It'd add a hell of a lot time opportunity to get caught that's for sure.

a reply to: Asktheanimals

Annex that mother. We should just be offering to buy them all out and welcome them to the first world like the DR!

Half /s half not to be honest.

Why does everyone seem to think the border wall plan is to keep out solely Mexicans??

The border wall is to keep out "illegal immigrants" who enter via Mexico. Mexican's are only part of this group.

a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

Because the border is shared with Mexico.

Canada's border is infinitely bigger, but we do not have this problem there because quality of life is not # and they actually make it difficult to get into their country. At their inbound ports of entry.

No wall necessary because facking ocean and they don't just let any yahoo from America in.

I don't think people believe the border wall is to keep only Mexicans out, but Latino people as a whole. Which is why it is supported here..

Really, a tiny miniscule margin of non Latino illegal immigrants are entering this county via that border - why, when they can literally just fly here and overstay their visa?

That # would not fly in Canada. You wouldn't be allowed in again after being forcibly removed.

IDK


I looked up going to Vietnam recently, foreigners there must apply for a 90 day visa - and must report to authorities during those 90 days regularly. They cannot stay longer than that without leaving in between.

It is ~almost~ as easy as just implementing a bunch of # like that. Along with seasonal workers visas. If you do report at your regularly scheduled check in - you have a warrant issued and are deported.

And yes, build a wall, a fence, or launch a set of goddamned satellittes to monitor the border realtime and report activities accordingly to responding authorities.

Why does nobody think of this #? It is not rocket science.

The North American Union has been planned for a very long time. I didn't think it would go down like this, but here we are.

you mean how it was before the so-called American territories took over parts of it?

a reply to: AlienView

I don't actually see a problem with this. Just the other day I was saying that I would happily support a president who expressed an expansionist policy. There is no reason whatsoever for America to be adopting an isolationist policy. We should be admitting new members into the union, taxing them, and exploiting their resources. We should be seeking to spread the American way of life to those corners of the world that desire it (not the corners that DON'T desire it, like the middle east). America should be leading the charge on Unity, not sewing the seeds of endless war.

Add Mexico, add Canada, add American Samoa, Puerto Rico, et. al. If 100 years from now we're to have a one-world government, I sure as hell would rather it be an American government.

a reply to: AlienView

Because China owns too much real estate in Mexico,like they own parts of USA,we will be annexed if a financial crisis hits,just a matter of time

I was writing this post and ran out of time, so I have held back on connecting the dots here but thought I would share a few facts anyway.

originally posted by: lightedhype
Honestly? Where the United States of America went wrong was back in 1848 when we stopped at the current border.

Had we conquered down to present day Colombia back then, we all would be in a much better place right now.

Americans that is. North, South, and Central~ America's populations included. You can deny it but it is true. 'Mexico' would be absolutely prospering by now. Combined with Canada as Ally would be a helluva force.

Present day South America would benefit solely from being closer to our border just as Mexico has.

And then the land border would only need be 30 miles across.

AND Illicit transports by ocean would have a huge distance to cover. With ports and islands monitored, I imagine it'd be extremely difficult, because boats need fuel and such. It'd add a hell of a lot time opportunity to get caught that's for sure.

Most illicit transports actually come in through legal entry points: Traffickers primarily use commercial trucks and privately owned and rental vehicles equipped with hidden compartments and natural voids in the vehicles. Additionally, bulk quantities of illicit drugs are sometimes commingled with legitimate goods in commercial trucks. Many drug traffickers use postal and package delivery services to transport illicit drugs within the United States and, to a much lesser extent, use couriers and cargo shipments on aircraft, buses, and trains.
Source: www.justice.gov...

originally posted by: Asktheanimals
1/3 of Mexico's population lives in the US now.
I think the OP is on to something.
Why close the border now?
The cow is out of the barn and over the hill several towns.

In July 2016, 36.3 million U.S. residents identified as being of full or partial Mexican ancestry.
Mexico population in 2017, 129.2 million
Source: en.wikipedia.org...

You would be right that almost 1/3 of the population lives in the US if they all arrived yesterday. However the key phrase is "ancestry". My ancestry is Irish, my great grandparents left Ireland about 100 years ago. You are ignoring the fact that many of these people were born in the US or arrived as children and some have not even stepped foot in Mexico.

Additionally, lets not forget these citizens are part of the parcel the US government accepted on behalf of it's people. The Mexican people also were not too happy their government at the time was happy to hand over the land and there are many who feel they simply sold out.
Mexicans in the now occupied lands were to be protected under the laws of the United States and the Treaty. They retained the right to their language, religion, and culture. Their property and land was protected by the law.
Source: latinolikeme.wordpress.com...

a reply to: byteshertz

I wonder - the link you gave: " Source: latinolikxxxxx" [full link not repeated intentionally]]
is blocked by a spyware [or adware] program on my computer- Not saying you are aware of this - And I'm wondering if,
because it may be controversial, someone is intentionally blocking it - or red flagging it ???

Freedom of speech in today's World is in itself a very controversial topic - Some in power would like to end it