The Bible is True

a reply to: CynConcepts

Seriously, the 6000-7000 year old earth is strictly a human man misperception of what the bible says.

Actually the bible doesn't give the age of the earth anywhere within the book...

The 6k year old earth theory came from one "James Ussher" in the 1600's, whos theory is still used by YEC's today, even though its completely unbiblical

a reply to: Akragon

Does she have a sell by date is the real question i suppose.

a reply to: GoShredAK

I agree...and I dont dispute the Bible as other historical markers in archaeology, anthropology, etc confirm at least some of the content of the Bible. However i refuse to condemn another religion, another person's beliefs which are also based upon the Biblical record like Catholicism like the original poster.

I see religion in general whether it be Christianity or Islamic, Buddhism, etc, as personal to each individual and despite our best efforts to destroy and apply our own brands to the basic structure, as wholly the same. A belief in a God who reaches out to a differing population but offering the same comfort to all. Our religions are largely the same in structure, God always at the center whether God is referred to as Allah, simply God in Arabic, or Buddah, or just the Higher Power.

I have lived much of my life amoung a predominantly Judea Christian population. I have also lived in predominantly Muslim communities, shared bread with other Faith's as well in their respective cultures, and we are basically all the same, all wish the best for our children, prosperous lives, safety for everyone. I have never experienced religious hatred from any in those communities other than from the respective "leaders" whom seem only to sow discord amoung their followers to enrich themselves.

We distort the Bible and the Koran and other books of faith for our own selfishness. None of our religious texts teach this, but the distortions we teach one another and it is this I find reprehensible. No one should ever feel the need to proclaim "proof" of the Bible or Koran. None should ever declare their beliefs above another, as I believe in the end they are the same, they are to reach a particular target, even those with no beliefs.

Just like many of us today gather our facts, our news, from a variety of sources to combat false information, I believe that we must also look for comfort from a variety of sources. All religious texts are old and have been distorted by many to fit their own beliefs, Kings, and specific Churches and yes our religious leaders. God is central in all and all lead to God. What is wrong with a different path that leads to the same end ?

It is the intolerance we have in our lives which leads many to reject any belief. It's like children on a playground, "my dads better than your dad" or "it's my ball, we play by my rules or I go home". Its pointless and counter productive to religion as a whole when its sole purpose is to provide comfort. Why deny comfort to another, WWJD ?

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: Jay-morris

And yet some of us refuse to accept the factual evidence.

Then again some of us believe the Earth is flat.

Thing is where religion is concerned, people that belief will defend the notion to there dying breath despite the evidence to the contrary.

All things considered, i imagine it bestows enormous peace of mind for some.

Hedge your bets i say, believe in something because if you are wrong then who is going to know? And if correct then who knows what really out there?

I like the verses where the Bible mentions the cockatrice.

originally posted by: Blue Shift
I like the verses where the Bible mentions the cockatrice.

For, behold, I will send serpents, cockatrices, among you, which will not be charmed, and they shall bite you, saith the LORD.

The Lord seemed a little petty with that one.

when u die u die

replenish the earth with dirt

originally posted by: amazing
The Lord seemed a little petty with that one.

That's why I've always had a fondness for a pantheon. I've never figured out why a supernatural superbeing would bother to create human beings if all he's going to do is punish us with torture if we just have the wrong attitude. Having more than one superbeing would explain it.

originally posted by: Blue Shift

originally posted by: amazing
The Lord seemed a little petty with that one.

That's why I've always had a fondness for a pantheon. I've never figured out why a supernatural superbeing would bother to create human beings if all he's going to do is punish us with torture if we just have the wrong attitude. Having more than one superbeing would explain it.

That would be similar to Gnosticism...

Where there are many "gods" but one "God"... and the one ruling this planet is a total screw up for the most part

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originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: CynConcepts

Who wrote it down?

Lots of different ""People""

It's all strictly a human man misperception of what he chooses to suppose God wants and does, and generally for our own ends, not Gods.

Which speaks volumes really, quite literally.

Man has also misconstrued science throughout history via perception. It continually gets corrected as evidence proves. I can only conclude there is some truth somehow relayed to early man...that was not understood.

Thus religion evolved. Science is religion of man as well...but it is allowed to be ever evolving as mankind understands things better. As we evolve...our new religion evolves too.
The other religions stalemate and rarely evolve...they simply divide and call their new evolved perceptions a new religion.

Whether there is an ultimate creator or not is meaningless in concept...the current science has shown evidentiary truths in ancient myths. Somehow those truths were relayed to mankind. They were just not understood. Perhaps simply another older life form civilization shared scientific truths and continued on with their own exploration, not realizing the confusion man would make of it all in time.

Edit add: the one benefit of mankind of science vs religion is that it has pushed both sides to dig deeper and find the truth with facts. Science evolved because of religion.

If the bible is true then the Earth is flat! Standing on pillars, with a dome above it with little lights stuck on it as the stars!
hhhmmmm.....

Is the bible god-breathed or not?

-If it is then this god was obviously wrong and a liar since he couldn't have created something that he doesn't know it's shape!

-If it is not, then it just mythology created from uneducated men...

Both the above cases prove that the god of the bible doesn't exist! Never did and he hasn't created anything....

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: usernameconspiracy

If God does exist he speaks in mathematics.

I agree and science is the ''holy book'', but why one God and not many?

Besides the concept of only one god comes specifically from Judaism => Torah => the christian bible....

By accepting Monotheism we indirectly accept Judeo-Islamo-christianity's take.

But this idea is now popular because they forced it to everybody with christianity and Islam, not because it's the most logical

originally posted by: uncommitted

It's not off topic at all. Seeing as we have no idea what drives such animals to carry out such behaviour, if it could be termed as 'evil' is nothing more than our perception.

It is the nature of animals. Humans are capable of reasoning, and are capable of controlling our impulses

originally posted by: uncommitted
I'm really not sure why I'm responding to someone who feels a resonance between a couple of lines in the old Testament to what they perceive as the hardships of poor conservatives from the pesky left anyway.

There are a lot more than "a couple lines" in the bible which speak of these times. Besides, you are responding to a thread which topic is about the Bible.

a reply to: Dr1Akula

Why even one universe, never mind one God?

originally posted by: andy06shake
If God does exist he speaks in mathematics.

True in a roundabout way...

The book is actually written in such a way that the odds of Scripture NOT being a divine document are statistically nonexistent.

Which also relates directly to the premise in the OP BTW...

originally posted by: Dr1Akula

I agree and science is the ''holy book'', but why one God and not many?

Why not? It is a choice that people must decide whether or not to follow God.

originally posted by: Dr1Akula
Besides the concept of only one god comes specifically from Judaism => Torah => the christian bible....

Most people believe this, but it isn't entirely true.

For example:
Pharaoh Akhenaten declared that there is only one God, Aten, around 1350 BCE.

In Zoroastrianism there was also the belief in one God, Ahura Mazda. (Wise Lord) It's roots go back to the 2nd millenium BCE.

The above are some examples of monotheistic religions which date back farther than Judaism, or Christianity.

originally posted by: Dr1Akula
By accepting Monotheism we indirectly accept Judeo-Islamo-christianity's take.

The similarity between these three religions is the belief in one God. However, in Islam Allah demands submission. In Christianity Elohim asks you to choose.

originally posted by: Dr1Akula
But this idea is now popular because they forced it to everybody with christianity and Islam, not because it's the most logical

Christianity wasn't forced on people. There are some dark times in which men thought they knew better than Elohim, or Jesus how Christianity was passed down. However, Jesus himself stated people had to choose whether or not to follow him, and his teachings in Christianity.

"They are enamored by misconceptions - leave them alone"

None of the skeptics want to learn anything about the book that could give them freedom. They just ask questions to try to trap people in their word. It is pathetic, as if they have some sort of way out of this death sentence of this current predicament. Seriously... they mock the answer, yet their answer is twofold a hell than any Christian could every contrive. Hell is them pursuing their own dead-end desires, and the archons will torment them in their cyclical pursuits of darkness. They won't even know it's hell... in their mouth it will be sweet but their stomach will be bitter until they realize their perdition.

originally posted by: Toolman18
a reply to: Groot

Saying animals are smarter than humans is the dumbest thing humans could say. You apparently don't observe reality.

One of the worst things I have ever seen posted on this site is the suggestion that god looks like us because we are the closest thing to godlike. Now that's something that an unrealistic person might say.

originally posted by: ElectricUniverse

Christianity wasn't forced on people. There are some dark times in which men thought they knew better than Elohim, or Jesus how Christianity was passed down. However, Jesus himself stated people had to choose whether or not to follow him, and his teachings in Christianity.

History proves that christianity was forced on many many people Europe, Middle East, Africa, Native Americans etc with the most violent way possible , persecutions, slaughters, destruction etc...

Ammianus Marcellinus describes the violent persecution of Pagans by the christians,
In the Theodosian codex, where we can find imperial orders to destroy Pagan Temples and books and punish with tortures and Death anyone who would practice the old religions and won't accept christianity...
In the archives of the ''Fathers of the Church'' where we can find Episcopes and Monks with imperial power that go on a rampage to destroy Statues Temples, books and everything related to GreekoRoman Traditions! Constantine And Constantious and Justinian order persecutions against Pagans Jews and heretics...
The majority of people has never heard of all this and they just think christianity was peacefully spread in Europe, which is the biggest lie ever told! But that's to be expected after 1700 years of theocratic dictatorship, the power of the church, and how well established are christians in our societies! The winner writes history, but thankfully the truth is still there for anyone interested to study real history!
You can also read in original form the works of Libanios and Saloustios the philosophers that lived during that time and try to defend the old World during the Judeochristian dictatorship of Nova Roma.

Before you say that all these terrible things where not by real christians, I must remind you that most of them were made Saints by the church for spreading christianity, and they are still being worshiped by today's christians

What Jesus said doen't matter because
Also everything we know about what this Jeshuah stated comes from copies and copies and copies from gospels supposedly written by the apostles themselves, but that can't be proved it could very likely be forgeries.
And there are no archeological or historical evidence to prove that this Jeshuah actually existed!

Besides christianity was the tool Constantine used to control the occupied nations of the empire, and erase multiculturalism and different nationalities, ethics and traditions!
He wanted One Emperor in heavens just like the one Emperor on Earth!

Until the 4th century AD only the 10% Of the Empire's people were christians ( according to the fathers of the church), The 90% was forced to become ones....

originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
The similarity between these three religions is the belief in one God. However, in Islam Allah demands submission. In Christianity Elohim asks you to choose.

All three Abrahamic religion are about Submission and fearmongering of the punishment of the one creator god,
so I think you are quite prejudged on blaming only islam for that, I can find passages from your christian bible that prove that!

And the similarity isn't that all 3 of them just believe in one god, it's that they believe in the exact same god!
All of them believe the same Adam and Eve, Noah, Abraham stories, all of them worshiping the exact same god in different ways.
Both christianity and islam are just heresies of Judaism, or in other words Judaism for gentiles....


Furthermore Monolatry wasn't the same as Monotheism, and Zoroastrianism is the root of Judaism, Which also started as a Monolatry of YHWH among the gods of that area.

originally posted by: ElectricUniverse

Why not? It is a choice that people must decide whether or not to follow God.

Reality isn't about Black or White.... People don't even have to participate in this threatening dilemma... as soon as the realize it was made up by some people to proselytize others....