Should Shame be allowed in Schools?

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ACLU accuses Arizona high school of making students wear 'scarlet badge' of shame

The American Civil Liberties Union doesn't think shame should be allowed. They feel it is a violation of privacy.

I think that some degrees of shame are actually good and can spur growth a change.
Think about the best students in the world - without a doubt Asians! Shame is a huge, huge part of the culture.
You do things simply not to shame yourself or your family. Shame used to be a part of America too. Somewhere around the 1980's
it started going away.

I'm not for child abuse, but I think we have taken "feeling" too far. Maybe a good dose of embarrassment is just what our kids (and some adults) need!

a reply to: JAGStorm

Irony is the ACLU pissing and whining about something like this while actively participating and and encouraging crowd shaming the court of SJW opinions cast on people. The ACLU can climb into a hole and die, they're a useless appendage from a bygone era which we are all past.

What is academic eligibility for a student athlete if not a means of shaming them into keeping their grades up?

I have a nephew who skirts the fine line because he has a learning disability, pretty severe dyslexia. He's working very, very hard to maintain his eligibility, but in those cases when a grade slips and he cannot go, everyone knows. That's a degree of shame. And his grades are right back up in time for the next game.

originally posted by: ketsuko
What is academic eligibility for a student athlete if not a means of shaming them into keeping their grades up?

I have a nephew who skirts the fine line because he has a learning disability, pretty severe dyslexia. He's working very, very hard to maintain his eligibility, but in those cases when a grade slips and he cannot go, everyone knows. That's a degree of shame. And his grades are right back up in time for the next game.

I think there are already ways that kids know if other kids have bad grades. Some are assigned to certain classes and things like that. I guess it is a little different from wearing something, but in the end other students still know.

a reply to: JAGStorm

We might be talking about a more elementary school scenario too. Sometimes those kids are more oblivious. Think of it more like the old-fashioned Dunce Cap approach.

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: JAGStorm

We might be talking about a more elementary school scenario too. Sometimes those kids are more oblivious. Think of it more like the old-fashioned Dunce Cap approach.

The one in the story I posted is Arizona high school.

"The school district's lawyer responded to the ACLU this week, saying Pickett is being forced to wear red because she lacks enough credits to be classified as an 11th grader."

The school uses the color coding on the badges to identify different grades because some of them have different privileges too. (leaving building)

a reply to: JAGStorm

Then if they use the badges to ID grade level, it doesn't sound like she's being asked/forced to wear the Scarlet Letter like Hester Prinn. Instead it sounds a lot like advancing in belt rank at martial arts, so long as you do the work and put in the effort to advance, your belt rank goes up, but if you don't, then your belt rank stays the same just like anyone else who didn't do the work. She's not being singled out. She's just still wearing the badge of her earned grade level.

That's not a shaming. That's just simple ID. If she feels ashamed about it, then she needs to suck it up and do the work to earn the next badge up.

This is just me, but I see this as yet another example of the failure of a "grades-driven" education system, one that values a certain score on a test higher than whether or not students are actually learning anything. Not saying tests aren't important, but my God, we have an entire generation bereft of any knowledge of basic things like how to file taxes, manage a budget, proper trades, basic life skills. Don't get me wrong - my daughter knows more about how my phone works than I do, but I fear for her future living in a society that stressing parroting memorization over knowledge. As the old joke goes, they can't balance a checkbook, but by God they know how to diagram a sentence!

a reply to: IanForge

Ummm, actually, no, they do not know how to diagram sentences. They don't know how to use commas or apostrophes. They don't know how to capitalize or punctuate. I've seen degreed professionals send stuff across my desk who couldn't recognize a complete sentence or a compound one.

Our education is seriously lacking in the 3 Rs -- Reading, Writing, 'Rithmatic. But they surely can tell you all 50 genders, what the progressive stack is, whether or not a certain action might be a microaggression, what their personal racial guilts are, etc.

In short, we're spending too much time on social engineering and not enough time educating at all.

Shane’s allowed, but it has to be the correct shame.

Shame that ties to personal to personal responsibility, like exercising, what you wear, not getting good grades is BAD shamming

Say that there are only two genders and what ever shame you get for stepping out of line, is warranted

originally posted by: SocratesJohnson
Shane’s allowed, but it has to be the correct shame.

Shame that ties to personal to personal responsibility, like exercising, what you wear, not getting good grades is BAD shamming

Say that there are only two genders and what ever shame you get for stepping out of line, is warranted

i c what u did there ...

originally posted by: JAGStorm
The school uses the color coding on the badges to identify different grades because some of them have different privileges too. (leaving building)

So they make children wear colour coded ID badges that identify their grade and privileges at a glance?

What the # is wrong with schools now a days?

We didn't even have IDs in.elementary school and the ones in high school were plastic cards you kept in your wallet. I think its main purpose was for checking out books at the library. That's all I remember ever using it for.

A little bullying is good for personal growth as a human being. This new age of coddling from the cradle until they can vote the Democratic socialist ticket isn't a good thing. Developing thick skin at a young age is more important than the idea they were born into the wrong body.. *cough transgender kids cough*

a reply to: dug88

Might as well ask what's wrong with kids.

Maybe the plastic cards were too hard for some to obtain or keep track of.

But the point here is that she's not being singled out in any way. She singled herself out by not doing the necessary work to go up in grade level.

a reply to: JAGStorm


Yes, a septa should follow behind you ringing a bell chanting 'shame, shame' while you walked naked past your peers.

Our country was a much better place when public shaming was the rule instead of of the exception. a reply to: JAGStorm

About the only defense I can think of for her is if she had a legit excuse for why she couldn't obtain those credits - protracted serious illness or something.

By the way, for me this topic is also very relevant.

originally posted by: SocratesJohnson
Shane’s allowed, but it has to be the correct shame.

Shame that ties to personal to personal responsibility, like exercising, what you wear, not getting good grades is BAD shamming

Say that there are only two genders and what ever shame you get for stepping out of line, is warranted

Where would we be without individuals stepping out of line or colouring outside the lines?