Arizonians Are Physically Attacking Self-Driving Cars to Protect Themselves and Loved Ones

a reply to: Willtell

I think the main problem that is going to be encountered with these autonomous vehicles, is the fact that they will take jobs away from people who need them. Machines do not need jobs, or too exist. People who already exist need jobs if they and their families are going to continue to exist, and those needs must always come before other considerations, like the costs associated with doing business for example.

More importantly, unless the entire nature of how people gain the money which keeps them fed and watered is to change root and branch, so that jobs are no longer things that people require in order to live perfectly comfortably, then introducing these autonomous vehicles, automatic checkouts, automating more and more things at the current rate of expansion, will lead to unsustainable amounts of social support requirement from government, which the very people who would most welcome the saving of money by companies, would then complain about despite having been vocally supportive of the loss of those jobs to machines.

The reality is that automation has been spreading throughout industries for decades upon decades, and its true that every major shift toward it has been followed by the same complaint, namely that the loss of jobs involved is unacceptable and so on and so forth, basically as above. But just because the same complaints are made each time, does not mean that those complaints are not valid. It IS necessary for the people affected by these expansions to have alternative employ within the same industry, it IS unreasonable to expect someone who has driven a truck for a decade or more, to suddenly change tack and have to completely retrain themselves, and support their family while between jobs, which is something which is hard enough for most to do whilst in steady employment. It IS necessary that if automation spreads yet further, the manner in which we value work must change.

People that fix these cars will have lots of work.

This technology is inevitable. It already exists, already functions better than human drivers, and billions are being poured into it. Yes, it will disruspt entire industries and many persons' ways of living, as many new technologies have over the course of human history. It could, however, also potentially lower the price of many products and services, as companies will have significantly reduced operating costs (human labor). We will have to make sure that large corporations that see ridiculous rises in profits pay their fair due. Not sure how that one works out yet lol. Imagine if one day soon though, that self driving cars were a public transportation service similar to buses, just faster, more efficient and will arive directly at your house when you schedule it to, so you can easily survive without the need to pay for and maintain a vehicle and insurance. It's quite an expense as most of us know. When we're discussing AI and evolutions in technology like we're facing today it becomes a philosophical debate, because at some point or another we're going to have to redefine what it means to be human, ask outselves what's right or wrong and what purpose we have in a world where our skills and labor aren't necessary to uphold an economy. We'll also need to figure out HOW to transition into such a world in a peaceful manner that offers freedom, prosperity and personal liberties to everyone. We can't just stop moving foward now, as if we do, someone else won't, and as history has shown, nations with superior technological advantages tend to take from those without. It puts you in danger. Also, if we don't continue moving forward, all the way to the stars, eventually we all die along with this rock we're on anyways, from any number of causes.

originally posted by: projectvxn
a reply to: Willtell

Maybe I’m wrong but intuitively I doubt they will be practical and work. Safety and job security are in question.

Instead of relying on intuition read a white paper published by one of these companies on their technologies some time. Way more illuminating than gut judgments.

From your initial source:

Automated vehicles are being introduced throughout the U.S. despite all their reported issues and accidents (including one fatality).

There are roughly 30-35,000 fatalities on the road each year with fully NON automated cars.

ok subject is over your head....Lon more discourse from you......please

a reply to: Willtell

I reckon by 2050 most roads in the West will be dictated by self-driven/AI vehicles. They'll all be electric and the owners of combustion engine vehicles will be priced off the road by insurance, taxes, fuel and maintenance.

On the bright side, traffic will be able to move much, much faster and reduce overall travel times and congestion across nations. It'll reduce pollution and boost areas of the economy. On the down-side, the recent growth in the domestic automotive workforce could stall and plummet. Even repairs could be a thing of the past as the traditional auto-repair business will be gone with combustion-engined cars. Warranty! The auto industry would have to build in a human workforce to create jobs which would take a level of altruism I've never seen in the corporate world.

It's easy to at least understand why these Arizona guys are making a stand. Will it make any difference to the coming era of self-driving vehicles? Not a chance.

Be as scared as you want dosent matter to me. I’d love to own a car that would drive me from A to B five times faster with little to no effort on my part. If that means the roads can’t be shared between A.i and none A.i drivers great.
I am sure there will still be some dirt tracks some place for you to zip around on till your hearts content.


a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

a reply to: Mandroid7

I was wrong about XRP not bitcoin.

Bitcoin will bounce back.

I said in that thread that there will come a day of reckoning. It came, and it has lingered.

Blockchain is a new technology, although novel and it's uses are vast. There is value there especially in safeguarding information.

With autonomous vehicles you have many of the same benefits. Greater security, less variability, no road rage.

The day may come when there are only self driving vehicles. No humans are allowed to drive on public roads.

I can see our government (US) doing that.

Check this short video out

Self-Driving Cars Will Be a Legal Nightmare

Just imagine the lawsuits

originally posted by: Athetos
Be as scared as you want dosent matter to me. I’d love to own a car that would drive me from A to B five times faster with little to no effort on my part. If that means the roads can’t be shared between A.i and none A.i drivers great.
I am sure there will still be some dirt tracks some place for you to zip around on till your hearts content.


a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

No I mean it scares me that you would happily enforce your preferences and beliefs onto other people .

Automated cars could save tens of thousands of lives each year in the US alone. It could be a game changer when you can get a ride and not have to pay attention to driving yourself. People would be able to safely drink and ride home instead of drive themselves. The 3 hours I spent today driving I could have worked on a laptop computer or watched tv while the car drove me. On the bad side driving home on roads in the Carolinas is like driving an obstacle course dodging potholes especially on secondary roads. Many potholes are hard to see and you need quick reaction times. I don't think automated cars would safely dodge all of south Carolinas potholes and probably end up wrecking the car. Rain on wet roads makes potholes even harder to see. Driving on secondary roads especially in South Carolina is more hazardous than driving on snowy roads.

When the weather turns nicer, cars have to avoid deer that can jump out. Maybe we need automated cars with machine guns to scare the deer away from the roads or neutralize the deer that are on a collision course. When automated cars can dodge potholes, large water puddles on the road and detect and neutralize animals on collision courses with the car even from the other side of a hill at night, that would be a game changer. We just need to add automated planes that can use automated gps and infrared sensors to detect animals through trees and or activate high powere lasers in orbit to neutralize the animal before impact with the automated car. We also need automated pothole and paving vehicles to fix South Carolinas roads.

It will take billions of dollars to fix the roads in South Carolina. Many other states likely have poor infrastructure that automated systems will have trouble with. Unfortunately, it seems like you might need very well maintained roads with almost all random elements neutralized for automated systems to function well. I wouldn't mind an automated Bat mobile that could cut my trip time from 3 hours to less than one. People thought automatic washing machines would take care of all the washing but they aren't as complicated as a car and people still report all kinds of problems decades after development. I had one shred my clothes. I like the concept but we have a long way to go. It might be easier to develop an automated flying car transport system. No potholes. No deer. Smooth flying with emergency parachutes and much faster trips. I would be happy with safer and faster. For billions of dollars in just South Carolina, you could build and rent a lot of flying cars and possibly have an automated flying highway corridors if you didn't spend billions on bridges and road repairs. I would prefer automated flying cars with magnetic shields to absorb possible impacts to save lives.

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Above post refers to air taxis with automated transport as a possibly easier to set up system than automated ground transport. Automated systems for air transport could be much faster and safer than automating ground transport in my opinion. Highways in the sky on auto pilot. My vision of air taxis is like a flying automated car with millions of flying cars running routes between destinations so you arrive at any city, hop on the next air taxi after waiting a couple minutes or so and then arrive at other cities faster than your wait time at an airport. Air taxis would fly low corridors so as not to interfere with large commercial air traffic. Just an idea. I have no experience with air traffic.

The thing is, AI cars will be networked, so if one hits or avoids a pothole, that data can be uploaded in real time to other cars traveling in that area, so they will be aware of it. The scary part is, networks and computers can be hacked.
a reply to: orionthehunter

a reply to: Willtell

25 years and they can't deliver an intelligent desktop computer that works in real time. And they think they are ready to drive a vehicle? A bunch of borderline ASD programmers who shouldn't be driving themselves think they can write a program to do it.

Why Self Driving Cars are a Big Scam

a reply to: UMayBRite!

Your right. After working with PC’s for over 30 years it’s a fact they still can't even make a good case that goes smoothly on a PC.

Check the video in the above post

a reply to: DobRozner

What happens when the network is down or someone hacks into the car...or ice is on the road.

These things will have GPS, massive sensors, cameras, sonar and there will certainly be many variables that will interfere with these contraptions.

Its all about exposing you to more advertising, more shopping, more money for them and making you

the perfect consumer zombie

a reply to: projectvxn

I get what you'e saying however why "hysterics"?

The recent Toyota accelerator and Takata airbag recalls ( and bankruptcy ) issues would suggest that the human element for weazling out of admission of fault is prevalent.

a reply to: TheConstruKctionofLight

Because that wasn't the technology failing. That was a human making garbage decision in parts acquisitions. They deliberately bypassed QC.