The Green New Deal is out; most Orwellian Socialist garbage I have ever seen

a reply to: Carcharadon

The world’s scientists sound a final alarm on climate We have about 12 years left. That’s the clear message from a monumental study from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC).

Isnt that the same thing the IPCC(UN) and Al Gore stated 20 years ago ?
Yep. Back when the India railroad engineer , later accused of molesting a young boy , was the head of the IPCC (UN)
Gee , they sure know how to pick em

Hey ..let's electrify everything and kill the companies that make electric. Sounds plausible to me.

originally posted by: Grambler

originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: continuousThunder

You know about all the evil big corporations that are moving away from fossil fuel right?

Can't do it overnight like the utopians would like to see because "overnight" would kill 3 billion people.

Today about 8% of the U.S. electricity is solar.

MSM is reluctant to tell you however. Can't imagine why 😂

This is an important point.

I was discussing cliomate change with a friend of mine that thinks we are all dead in 100 years; claims its basically a scientific consensus (I dont agree, but fine)

I asked him what solutions he would propose. he says the nimmediate banning of fossil fuels.

I ask him if that would save us from extinction. He says its probably already too late, but there is a small chance it could stave of the extinction for a while.

I ask him if he is 100 percent certain of that extinction. He says not a 100% but almost positive.

I explain that the overnight end of fossil fuels would lead to billions of people dying horrific deaths in the near future. SStarvation, disease, exposure, bloodshed that would resukt from resource wars. And that it would be the poor that would be totally wiped out. Probably more than half the population of the world.

He says its worth the risk.

So in effect, my friend isnt 100 percent certain, but close to it the world will end, that there is pretty much nothing we can do about it, but we should enact a policy leading to the deaths of billions of predominantly poor people.

If there is even a slight chance his extremly bold prediction that we are extinct in 100 years is wrong, he has advocated for the brutal death of billions of people just so he can feel good.

And many many people feel just like him.

That is the problem.

Reading this thread it seems to many project their miserable existence as everybody feels that way,or should feel that way.This country is based of the freedom of the individual, self determination. Any bill, or proposal should keep that in the fore front, the fact that this pure communism is getting any traction is damn right scary. Somehow I was hoping it would be lets throw everything out there shoot for the moon and the stars but ultimately compromise. Think these azzhats really want to sacrifice not only their freedoms but their children's as well.

originally posted by: Carcharadon



I can't believe people still buy the crap the IPCC still spews out. Their credibility was toast after ClimateGate and the East Anglia hack which showed that the entire basis for this ideology is rooted in doctored info and lies.

What a joke.

That Joke hurts science and people like me lose credibility with the Public because I am one of the scientist who's profession has deliberately lied and gotten caught in those lies. I have a lot to do to make up for that error on THEIR part. MY job is harder no thanks to those asshats.

originally posted by: scraedtosleep
a reply to: Justoneman

I believe that climate change is real.

I don't know what is causing it but I do think humans have a roll.

Personally I care more about pollution than I do about warming, cooling, or even increased storms.

American infrastructure needs repair and a modern upgrade.

But we don't need the government having more power to mess with private citizens. Be that in their personal lives or their business.

The only exception I have is with pollution.
I do not believe that co2 is a pollutant. A pollutant in my opinion is a chemical that has no value to nature.

But even in the case of pollution I don't want government having ultimate authority over anyone.

Yes change is REAL.
BUT......

NO way it is us, and I make my living as an Environmental Scientist and evaluate Airborne related/ pollution related data. Man isn't going to be able to make it change anything to save us if the Sun dies or flames us by expanding as it is predicted to do.
Is this confusing to the left that Man can't fix it if the Sun dies?

Putting this in perspective, the young senator Ocasio Cortez grew up in an education system that has been pushing socialism. Her perspective of history is probably about the evils of Spain, England and France colonizing the Americas and nothing about the Soviet Union.

Add to that the millennial concept of instant results and you get a plan to change society in 10 years.

A month ago she was begging for rent money....... today she wants to take peoples rent money away

The main thing for me really is,have we every seen the government do something on such a huge scale. Something that wasnt bloated in corruption and mismanagement? Even if i was behind every bullet point of the new green deal, no way our government can bring it to fruition. You go to 70% taxes half of the proceeds will go to just expand IRS, and its already understaffed.

Think a better way to accomplish this is build a green city or town. Start from scratch,encourage corporate sponsorship and involvement. Much easier to test system and management from a smaller scale. Thats a realistic 10 year goal

originally posted by: projectvxn
Clearly written by people who don't understand the law, how these things are written, and why they are so.

You are referring to the OP right?

This is a "plan" with "goals", not legislation. It is not even a plan for legislation, but a proposal to establish committee to explore the feasibility of those goals.

Renewable energy is happening on it's own.

A kind of Moore's law applies to the efficiency of solar panels specifically, but other renewable technologies as well.

The USA already draws 18% of it's energy from renewable and the rate is accelerating.

Renewable energy, like solar, is expanding most in places like Texas, but spreading north as solar panels become more efficient and have increasing returns on cost.

It is not a political question, it is a technological question and not having to pay electric bills and homes being energy independent (off grid) is something both liberals and conservatives agree on.

Lofty goals? Sure.
So what.

Part of the new deal was also to eliminate the Electoral College, from my understanding. The Electoral College was established to prevent mob rule. a protection i feel we very much need right now. “The mob” is currently a bunch of young hipsters who are anti establishment. Taking away the electoral college, in my opinion, is like taking away any semblance of actual government. I see this as a move towards anarchy. Anarchy will lead to civil war. They want the masses to attempt to rule over each other. As it is, we might not agree with the Electoral College, but we accept it mainly because its considered a general consensus. Acceptance of something you dont agree with can be a flaw... but isnt that what America is all about? We take compromises. We have faith in our electected officials. We dont have to trust them, but we need to trust their intentions. Someone like Hillary wouldve gotten elected without the electoral college. And for good reason. For the record, i’m not a Trump fanboy. Yes, i would have voted for him if i would have voted. Hillary has proven herself to be a traitor and quite treasonous. She doesnt deserve a seat anywhere in politics. She’s deceitful and cunning, i give her that, so understand why she has a seat.... i’m independent with a heavy right bias aka pretty conservative, towards anything that deals with the constitution and our foundations and predicaments that lead to it being chartered. I love america the way it is. I fought in the US Army, as an Infantryman, under G.W.
Ive been through hell and back in the name of this country. I often lack much sleep at night because of the things ive been through during OIF. I’m tired of the fighting. I just want to rest and live a peaceful life.... but if this country gets overran by socialists,i may just have to fight once again and i will always be ready. I will defend the constitution from these bastardisations that the left keeps imposing... with my life.

a reply to: putnam6

You would think that.

In fact, that's what our original system is designed to be -- a laboratory where different states and localities can experiment freely with such things and some will succeed and others will fail. The successes would theoretically be gradually adopted and rightfully so. The failures would be limited in scope so they would only actually hurt a small number of people, not the entire country like a massive federal boondoggle (Obamacare) does.

originally posted by: PhatalError
Part of the new deal was also to eliminate the Electoral College, from my understanding.

Then your understanding on the topic is misinformed.

Reps in congress introduce bills both good and stupid.

It is a far distance from ever even receiving a vote. Anyone can write a bill.

The rep who proposed eliminating the electoral college is not the young lady who proposed the Committee being discussed.

originally posted by: Extorris

originally posted by: PhatalError
Part of the new deal was also to eliminate the Electoral College, from my understanding.

Then your understanding on the topic is misinformed.

Reps in congress introduce bills both good and stupid.

It is a far distance from ever even receiving a vote. Anyone can write a bill.

The rep who proposed eliminating the electoral college is not the young lady who proposed the Committee being discussed.

Obviously we know that simpleton didn't draw this abomination up. But she is the public face if it, willingly, so she takes the heat for it.

And the Dems are slowly creating an atmosphere where "poor, poor little Cortez is being bullied by those mean old white men, why are they so mean?"

Funny how that dance tape came out at the same time so that the media can tie the Rights outrage over this pile of crap she produced to the dancing video.

All you hear is how the Right is so outraged over that dance video right? But it isn't. At all. It's over the Green Plan.

Just one example of the dishonest crap the media pulls.
And no one seems to be able to see it. Baffling.

originally posted by: Carcharadon

originally posted by: Extorris

originally posted by: PhatalError
Part of the new deal was also to eliminate the Electoral College, from my understanding.

Then your understanding on the topic is misinformed.

Reps in congress introduce bills both good and stupid.

It is a far distance from ever even receiving a vote. Anyone can write a bill.

The rep who proposed eliminating the electoral college is not the young lady who proposed the Committee being discussed.

And the Dems are slowly creating an atmosphere where "poor, poor little Cortez is being bullied by those mean old white men, why are they so mean?"

I see Cortez as a slightly more intelligent, much younger, left version of President Trump.
She barks unsophisticated solutions that emotionally appeal to the left's base.

And like President Trump her celebrity status is credited to her incessant detractors. The majority of her support comes from intellectually lazy far left supporters that watch the massive inane and petty attacks by the far right and think if they hate her this much, she must be on to something.

She must wake up every day with an ear to ear smile and say a prayer of thanks to the Right Wing for constantly making her the scary Boogie-Woman, otherwise she would just another one of the 441 members of the House of representatives.

a reply to: Extorris

Donald Trump has been running businesses, managing people, and making fiduciary decisions all of this life.

Cortez was an economics student who obviously didn't pay attention and was a bartender.

Not seeing your parallel comparison here.

a reply to: Extorris

You should probably spend more time reading those post.

This isn't about renewable energy, which is something I am a very vocal advocate of.

originally posted by: projectvxn
a reply to: Extorris

Donald Trump has been running businesses, managing people, and making fiduciary decisions all of this life.

He was gifted those things by his father and has repeatedly failed at 90% of it.

His only gift has been exploiting other people's money and the bankruptcy laws.

a reply to: Extorris

He was gifted those things by his father and has repeatedly failed at 90% of it.

No, that isn't true either. But I'm willing to bet you're not actually interested in the truth.

originally posted by: projectvxn
a reply to: Extorris

Donald Trump has been running businesses, managing people, and making fiduciary decisions all of this life.

Cortez was an economics student who obviously didn't pay attention and was a bartender.

Not seeing your parallel comparison here.

Hahaha. Came here to post pretty much that.

a reply to: projectvxn

I think the $40 million Trump inherited may have helped his career. Maybe. Probably.

I'm just trying to say that comparing Cortez to Trump in terms of career trajectories is a little skewed by that initial $40 million.