A way to predict the future??

Scientists may have unwittingly found out a way to predict the future. Started by Princeton University, the global consciousness project is a massive experiment to find out if the worlds population shares a single subconscious mind. They have had extraordinary results already with simple random number generators.

One of these new technologies was a humble-looking black box known was a Random Event Generator (REG). This used computer technology to generate two numbers - a one and a zero - in a totally random sequence, rather like an electronic coin-flipper.

The pattern of ones and noughts - 'heads' and 'tails' as it were - could then be printed out as a graph. The laws of chance dictate that the generators should churn out equal numbers of ones and zeros - which would be represented by a nearly flat line on the graph. Any deviation from this equal number shows up as a gently rising curve.

During the late 1970s, Prof Jahn decided to investigate whether the power of human thought alone could interfere in some way with the machine's usual readings. He hauled strangers off the street and asked them to concentrate their minds on his number generator. In effect, he was asking them to try to make it flip more heads than tails.

It was a preposterous idea at the time. The results, however, were stunning and have never been satisfactorily explained.

Again and again, entirely ordinary people proved that their minds could influence the machine and produce significant fluctuations on the graph, 'forcing it' to produce unequal numbers of 'heads' or 'tails'.

According to all of the known laws of science, this should not have happened - but it did. And it kept on happening.

Based on these results they have decided to figure out the random number generators also are influenced by greater amounts of people. Which we see in the following quote.

Using the internet, he connected up 40 random event generators from all over the world to his laboratory computer in Princeton. These ran constantly, day in day out, generating millions of different pieces of data. Most of the time, the resulting graph on his computer looked more or less like a flat line.

But then on September 6, 1997, something quite extraordinary happened: the graph shot upwards, recording a sudden and massive shift in the number sequence as his machines around the world started reporting huge deviations from the norm. The day was of historic importance for another reason, too.

For it was the same day that an estimated one billion people around the world watched the funeral of Diana, Princess of Wales at Westminster Abbey.

Dr Nelson was convinced that the two events must be related in some way.

Could he have detected a totally new phenomena? Could the concentrated emotional outpouring of millions of people be able to influence the output of his REGs. If so, how?

Dr Nelson was at a loss to explain it.

So, in 1998, he gathered together scientists from all over the world to analyse his findings. They, too, were stumped and resolved to extend and deepen the work of Prof Jahn and Dr Nelson. The Global Consciousness Project was born.

Since then, the project has expanded massively. A total of 65 Eggs (as the generators have been named) in 41 countries have now been recruited to act as the 'eyes' of the project.

And the results have been startling and inexplicable in equal measure.

For during the course of the experiment, the Eggs have 'sensed' a whole series of major world events as they were happening, from the Nato bombing of Yugoslavia to the Kursk submarine tragedy to America's hung election of 2000.

The Eggs also regularly detect huge global celebrations, such as New Year's Eve.

But the project threw up its greatest enigma on September 11, 2001.

As the world stood still and watched the horror of the terrorist attacks unfold across New York, something strange was happening to the Eggs.

Not only had they registered the attacks as they actually happened, but the characteristic shift in the pattern of numbers had begun four hours before the two planes even hit the Twin Towers.

They had, it appeared, detected that an event of historic importance was about to take place before the terrorists had even boarded their fateful flights. The implications, not least for the West's security services who constantly monitor electronic 'chatter', are clearly enormous.

'I knew then that we had a great deal of work ahead of us,' says Dr Nelson.

What could be happening? Was it a freak occurrence, perhaps?

Apparently not. For in the closing weeks of December last year, the machines went wild once more.

Twenty-four hours later, an earthquake deep beneath the Indian Ocean triggered the tsunami which devastated South-East Asia, and claimed the lives of an estimated quarter of a million people.

So could the Global Consciousness Project really be forecasting the future?

Cynics will quite rightly point out that there is always some global event that could be used to 'explain' the times when the Egg machines behaved erratically. After all, our world is full of wars, disasters and terrorist outrages, as well as the occasional global celebration. Are the scientists simply trying too hard to detect patterns in their raw data?

The team behind the project insist not. They claim that by using rigorous scientific techniques and powerful mathematics it is possible to exclude any such random connections.

This is a very interesting article about some of the latest studies in the field of consciousness, and appears to indicate that we do have ESP.

Here is the link.

www.rednova.com...

I thought more people would be interested in this.

Furthermore it shows that we all may be part of one sinlgle entity, and that we all share a subconscious mind. Which would easily explain telekinesis.

Here is the link to the global consciousness project:

noosphere.princeton.edu...

It's a bit long and confusing...it seems you have a good understanding...perhaps you could summarize it's goals/effects for us?

Much appreciation.

did they count all the new tails or did they just see them because they were looking for them?

One thing that is confusing me is that whenever these "future tellers" go off, it is on the SAME day. How is that predicting the future?

Originally posted by TheBandit795
Scientists may have unwittingly found out a way to predict the future. Started by Princeton University, the global consciousness project is a massive experiment to find out if the worlds population shares a single subconscious mind. They have had extraordinary results already with simple random number generators.

One of these new technologies was a humble-looking black box known was a Random Event Generator (REG). This used computer technology to generate two numbers - a one and a zero - in a totally random sequence, rather like an electronic coin-flipper.

The pattern of ones and noughts - 'heads' and 'tails' as it were - could then be printed out as a graph. The laws of chance dictate that the generators should churn out equal numbers of ones and zeros - which would be represented by a nearly flat line on the graph. Any deviation from this equal number shows up as a gently rising curve.

During the late 1970s, Prof Jahn decided to investigate whether the power of human thought alone could interfere in some way with the machine's usual readings. He hauled strangers off the street and asked them to concentrate their minds on his number generator. In effect, he was asking them to try to make it flip more heads than tails.

It was a preposterous idea at the time. The results, however, were stunning and have never been satisfactorily explained.

Again and again, entirely ordinary people proved that their minds could influence the machine and produce significant fluctuations on the graph, 'forcing it' to produce unequal numbers of 'heads' or 'tails'.

According to all of the known laws of science, this should not have happened - but it did. And it kept on happening.

Based on these results they have decided to figure out the random number generators also are influenced by greater amounts of people. Which we see in the following quote.

Using the internet, he connected up 40 random event generators from all over the world to his laboratory computer in Princeton. These ran constantly, day in day out, generating millions of different pieces of data. Most of the time, the resulting graph on his computer looked more or less like a flat line.

But then on September 6, 1997, something quite extraordinary happened: the graph shot upwards, recording a sudden and massive shift in the number sequence as his machines around the world started reporting huge deviations from the norm. The day was of historic importance for another reason, too.

For it was the same day that an estimated one billion people around the world watched the funeral of Diana, Princess of Wales at Westminster Abbey.

Dr Nelson was convinced that the two events must be related in some way.

Could he have detected a totally new phenomena? Could the concentrated emotional outpouring of millions of people be able to influence the output of his REGs. If so, how?

Dr Nelson was at a loss to explain it.

So, in 1998, he gathered together scientists from all over the world to analyse his findings. They, too, were stumped and resolved to extend and deepen the work of Prof Jahn and Dr Nelson. The Global Consciousness Project was born.

Since then, the project has expanded massively. A total of 65 Eggs (as the generators have been named) in 41 countries have now been recruited to act as the 'eyes' of the project.

And the results have been startling and inexplicable in equal measure.

For during the course of the experiment, the Eggs have 'sensed' a whole series of major world events as they were happening, from the Nato bombing of Yugoslavia to the Kursk submarine tragedy to America's hung election of 2000.

The Eggs also regularly detect huge global celebrations, such as New Year's Eve.

But the project threw up its greatest enigma on September 11, 2001.

As the world stood still and watched the horror of the terrorist attacks unfold across New York, something strange was happening to the Eggs.

Not only had they registered the attacks as they actually happened, but the characteristic shift in the pattern of numbers had begun four hours before the two planes even hit the Twin Towers.

They had, it appeared, detected that an event of historic importance was about to take place before the terrorists had even boarded their fateful flights. The implications, not least for the West's security services who constantly monitor electronic 'chatter', are clearly enormous.

'I knew then that we had a great deal of work ahead of us,' says Dr Nelson.

What could be happening? Was it a freak occurrence, perhaps?

Apparently not. For in the closing weeks of December last year, the machines went wild once more.

Twenty-four hours later, an earthquake deep beneath the Indian Ocean triggered the tsunami which devastated South-East Asia, and claimed the lives of an estimated quarter of a million people.

So could the Global Consciousness Project really be forecasting the future?

Cynics will quite rightly point out that there is always some global event that could be used to 'explain' the times when the Egg machines behaved erratically. After all, our world is full of wars, disasters and terrorist outrages, as well as the occasional global celebration. Are the scientists simply trying too hard to detect patterns in their raw data?

The team behind the project insist not. They claim that by using rigorous scientific techniques and powerful mathematics it is possible to exclude any such random connections.

This is a very interesting article about some of the latest studies in the field of consciousness, and appears to indicate that we do have ESP.

Here is the link.

www.rednova.com...

The Global Consciouness Project is utter bull****. If you search around the web, you will find many sites debunking it. The people behind it even admit that they ignore spikes in the output not connected to a major event. We are talking about very unscientific stuff...

Its impossible to predict the future, according to chaos theory. Of course, there are patterens that resemble fractals.. but thats something totally different.

Small changes that occur alter major changes in the future that can't be predicted unless you predict that small change, which in turn cant be predicted if you didnt predict the change that resulted in that change.. and so on and so on.


Most people who make accurate predictions are just really lucky.

Meh, thats just my opinion.

Originally posted by masterp
The Global Consciouness Project is utter bull****. If you search around the web, you will find many sites debunking it. The people behind it even admit that they ignore spikes in the output not connected to a major event. We are talking about very unscientific stuff...

Well then post those links that debunk it.

Originally posted by dexterium
One thing that is confusing me is that whenever these "future tellers" go off, it is on the SAME day. How is that predicting the future?

They go off hours (up to a day) before the event.

I predict a war in Iran!

Here it is live:

noosphere.princeton.edu...

whats happening on thats ite im so confused.

ya I wish i had a linke but I think it was Bush's first election forgot if it was the current or his daddy but there were shift in the atmoshpere damn I was I had I link...... I anybody can understand my psycho-babble please link it

Originally posted by TheBandit795

Originally posted by masterp
The Global Consciouness Project is utter bull****. If you search around the web, you will find many sites debunking it. The people behind it even admit that they ignore spikes in the output not connected to a major event. We are talking about very unscientific stuff...

Well then post those links that debunk it.

Here is a slashdot discussion with many pointers:

science.slashdot.org.../02/12/2344224&tid=126&tid=14

I was expecting it to have a link to skepticreport. But I think that Princeton University would've pulled the plug on the project a long time ago if it was really bogus.

I think that its fairly probable that we subconsciously share the same "mind". Seems fairly basic really. All humans share the same basic desires. Money, power, and happiness comes to mind. The idea of predicting the future should take into account the following fields: psychology, economics(macro & micro), foreign relations, etc. By studying those fields, one could form a very educated guess.

[edit on 1-3-2005 by _Anubis_]

Double post

[edit on 1-3-2005 by _Anubis_]

Manipulating the future is even better.

The only problem with the One Subconcious Mind theory is what stops animals from sharing this same mind. If in fact this theory is real, what logic in any form proves that we are so much superior and different than an animal.

I predict that I will die in a few secon...................