Informicide: Why Jesus was murdered, and the coverup

When we look at the patterns of history we see a long series of enlighteners getting themselves persecuted even killed for Truth. Assuming Jesus was real and all that, like true son of God, well then surely he would have known that we think with our brains instead of our hearts. Problem is that the Bible doesnt allude to this at all, meaning it must have been covered up (or worse).

Here's one of many examples of "Jesus' words" on the matter:

Knowing their thoughts, Jesus said, “Why do you entertain evil thoughts in your hearts? Matthew 9:4

You see in those days the masses believed we thought with our hearts (not unlike that the earth was flat), it wasnt until the last few centuries did thinking with the brain become accepted. The term "heart" lingers with us today in everyday speech, this concept is rooted so deep into human language.

We often think in terms of great leaders, as in the good ones, being killed for being such. But consider the list of great scientists imprisoned even killed for their discoveries, and imagine Jesus being on that list for this hypothetical proclamation. Hippasus, Socrates, Hypatia, Boethius, Roger Bacon, Pietro d' Abano, Cecco d' Ascoli, Peter Abélard, Michael Servetus, Girolamo Cardano, Amaury de Chartres, Giordano Bruno, Eckhart von Hochheim, William of Ockham, Lucilio Vanini, Gerolamo Cardano, Tommaso Campanella, Kazimierz Lyszczynsk, Galileo Galilei and the list goes of scientists and philosophers whom were persecuted if not killed over the aeons for contributing to human understanding.

The majority of that list were killed by the Catholic Church itself, the very ones whom for all intensive purposes wrote the Bible itself. The ones its safe to assume have scrubbed history of most any and all competing or conflicting 'books' or accounts on these matters, on the original books of the Bible, and all that, of perpetrators of the very idea that we think with our hearts instead of our brains.

They're just stories, not accurate descriptions of the human anatomy and thought process. You're reading too much into them. No worries, it's happend before a few times.

Also, the grammar nazi inside of me is asking what was intensive about the purpose of writing the bilbe?
Or was it just the intent and purpose, like said nazi suspects?

a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

For arguments sake: perhaps a nuanced reading sheds light on Jesus' words.

I'm going to ignore the complexities of the brain-mind complex here.

However, does the heart not "skip a beat" when you're excited? Does your heart not "pound" when you're angry? Do you not feel "heavy-hearted" when you're sad? Our hearts reflect our emotional states and our emotional states are largely attached to the contents of our thoughts. (Though, as the gut-brain connection continues to be explored, not always.)

Perhaps what Jesus meant was "Why let evil thoughts affect your emotional state?" This relates to a self-inquiry technique I learned years ago: Thinking-Feeling-Wanting. By developing awareness of your thoughts, how those thoughts make you feel, and then stating what you want to make things better, you avoid ambiguity and spare yourself unnecessary internal conflict. (Many people, myself included, tend to confuse thinking and feeling until it's called to their attention.)

Perhaps he is alluding to a studied command over your reaction to the contents of your thoughts, ergo a command over your emotional state. Master your emotional state, get on with the business of performing miracles and such.

Just a thought.

a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

Dr. Richard Carrier addresses the issue of the historicity of Jesus in two books applying a unique method called Baye's Theorem to show why it isn't very probable that he was real. I'm not saying I agree or disagree with him; but he is worth a read, in my opinion. I loved these two books.

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As for whether the heart can think, there are a few scientific experiments showing,

...neurons in the heart do communicate with the brain by providing feedback signals, which in turn may affect our emotions. When we experience something physically, it can change our emotional state: when our hearts race, we may feel anxious. This communication does not mean the heart is thinking for itself, however: as clinical neurologist Dr. Steven Novella explains, “Neurons alone do not equal mind or consciousness. It takes the specialized organization of neurons in the brain to produce cognitive processes that we experience as the mind.”

link

So, does it think? No, not really.

I'd say the ancients were misinformed but remarkably not too far off!

a reply to: Jubei42

This old idea of mine, I only 'had a few minutes' to whip this up.

a reply to: CanadianMason

There's more than a few studies showing the heart being packed with neurons. And so it the stomach.

But if anything, many if not most men all too often think with their penis. And it doesnt have any that I've heard about.

originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss
a reply to: CanadianMason

There's more than a few studies showing the heart being packed with neurons. And so it the stomach.

But if anything, many if not most men all too often think with their penis. And it doesnt have any that I've heard about.

If a penis could think, men wouldn't do nearly as many stupid things.

a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss and also hopenotfeariswhatweneed

LOL!

Since when is Giordano Bruno a "great scientist"? Yes, he was burned to the stake for beliefs that eventually turned out to be mostly true. Doesn't make him a scientist, or even a great one. Where are the experiments that he did, or the laws he discovered?

a reply to: ZornsLemma

Bloody Christians! All that smell of roast heretic getting in everywhere...euw. I did the washing today!

a reply to: CanadianMason

Sorry for the off-topic crosstalk, but I wanted to ask about your beautiful avatar/pic. Is that a painting? I've recently viewed some "photo-realist" watercolor paintings that look very similar.

a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

Jesus was talking about carnal thought - those that are at enmity with God. We are to take our thoughts captive and then think as Jesus, with the Holy Spirit as our guide. Then the answer comes: are we doing this thinking with our own selfish needs, reasoning? Or are we thinking spiritually with the best outcome in mind.

The Catholic church never wanted regular folk to read the Bible as it meant they would know their rights and authorities as children of God, instead of one man supposedly speaking on behalf of God (the Pope) to make all decisions. It was a form of control and power. That's why so many were put to death. Clearly not taking one's thoughts captive... if you will. Or I should refer to the quoted words of Jesus.

a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

Actually, we think we think with our nervous systems, a large part being the spine.

The idea that our consciousness resides only in our heads, or even limited to our our physical body, may be as inaccurate as ancient beliefs.

There have been people whose brains lack significant mass in the areas we associate with concepts of self and these people appear completely normal and even intelligent.

On the other hand, we know that people with injuries severing their spine quite high up also appear intelligent and normal (although paralyzed).

One possibility is that our higher self isn't actually entirely located just in our brains or spine.

I believe the Bible was to the same effect as Santa Claus. Be good or else. Control in it's Christian Infancy.

originally posted by: CanadianMason
a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

Dr. Richard Carrier addresses the issue of the historicity of Jesus in two books applying a unique method called Baye's Theorem to show why it isn't very probable that he was real. I'm not saying I agree or disagree with him; but he is worth a read, in my opinion. I loved these two books.

link

Bayes theorem does what it is told depending on input. It has been used to prove the existence of God and to prove the non existence of God. It has done both, to the affirmative.

As for whether the heart can think, there are a few scientific experiments showing,

...neurons in the heart do communicate with the brain by providing feedback signals, which in turn may affect our emotions. When we experience something physically, it can change our emotional state: when our hearts race, we may feel anxious. This communication does not mean the heart is thinking for itself, however: as clinical neurologist Dr. Steven Novella explains, “Neurons alone do not equal mind or consciousness. It takes the specialized organization of neurons in the brain to produce cognitive processes that we experience as the mind.”

link

So, does it think? No, not really.

I'd say the ancients were misinformed but remarkably not too far off!

I'd say that the ancients had as good a guess as we do.

originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss
a reply to: Jubei42

This old idea of mine, I only 'had a few minutes' to whip this up.

Love the symbology!

a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

We do think with our hearts, that is almost a scientific fact
Your premise fails at the gate
www.rcpsych.ac.uk...

www.rcpsych.ac.uk...

The Catholics didnt write the bible, they were part of a group of people who attended many meetings to decide what letters and books written hundreds of years before would make up the bible.
That's another fail

Deny ignorance?

originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

You see in those days the masses believed we thought with our hearts (not unlike that the earth was flat), it wasnt until the last few centuries did thinking with the brain become accepted. The term "heart" lingers with us today in everyday speech, this concept is rooted so deep into human language.

We often think in terms of great leaders, as in the good ones, being killed for being such. But consider the list of great scientists imprisoned even killed for their discoveries, and imagine Jesus being on that list for this hypothetical proclamation. Hippasus, Socrates, Hypatia, Boethius, Roger Bacon, Pietro d' Abano, Cecco d' Ascoli, Peter Abélard, Michael Servetus, Girolamo Cardano, Amaury de Chartres, Giordano Bruno, Eckhart von Hochheim, William of Ockham, Lucilio Vanini, Gerolamo Cardano, Tommaso Campanella, Kazimierz Lyszczynsk, Galileo Galilei and the list goes of scientists and philosophers whom were persecuted if not killed over the aeons for contributing to human understanding.

The majority of that list were killed by the Catholic Church itself, the very ones whom for all intensive purposes wrote the Bible itself. The ones its safe to assume have scrubbed history of most any and all competing or conflicting 'books' or accounts on these matters, on the original books of the Bible, and all that, of perpetrators of the very idea that we think with our hearts instead of our brains.

These 18 people that you have listed (You listed 19 but Girolamo Cardano and Gerolamo Cardano turned out to be the same person) ...These 18 people may have been persecuted to varying degrees but your statement that, "The majority of that list were killed by the Catholic Church" is not true at least according to Wikipedia. I looked every single one of those names up. It turned out that only 4 of them were executed by the church. These were Pietro d'Abano, Cecco d'Ascoli, Giordano Bruno, and Kazimierz Łyszczyński. If you copied and pasted this list, you didn't credit the source so I'll have to believe you either have done really sloppy research or are intentionally misleading us.

Perhaps you are just consumed with hatred of the Catholic Church as many here appear to be. Even so, try to keep your facts straight.

a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss


Christ HAD to be killed. It was His plan all along.

He had to be killed so that he could defeat death by rising on the third day. He led a sinless life, so that he could then return after death, since Satan then had no claim on him (the punishment and result of the first sin was eventual death and ownership by Satan). In this way he redeems humans who put their faith in Him and turn away from other gods or who have no God.

Jesus, a week before his crucifixion, went up to Mount Bashan, where "Satan has his throne." While there, he proclaimed his divinity to his disciples, which was a direct challenge to Satan. "I'm here at your headquarters, Satan, and I'm going to take back this Kingdom. What are you gonna do about it?" A week later, Satan had gotten Judas to betray Jesus to the temple priests and they killed him.

Jesus had to keep his plan (death!) secret, because if he hadn't, Satan and his human powers would never have killed him. Interestingly, if you look back through the Old Testament at all of the prophecies about Jesus, you'll notice that you can only put an accurate picture of Jesus together AFTER the fact. No one or two prophecies alone describe him; a picture of Him and what was going to happen to Him was spread out in different hundreds of little pieces down through the years. Only by putting ALL of them together can one see the picture.

It had to be like that so that Satan couldn't stop the plan.

Brilliant, isn't it?

a reply to: chr0naut

When I was young, I liked to read about dinosaurs. I was amazed to find that Stegosaurus had a second brain located in it's ass. Now they say that was a myth Wikipedia. On the other hand, they now think we have a type of a second brain in our gut. second brain and You May Have a 'Second Brain' in Your Butt... And It's Smarter Than You Think