Foul play with firearm storage - happened twice - not a coincidence

About a month ago I found that my pistol had become almost saturated with some kind of epoxy like substance, the magazine was filled with it, coating the rounds and even the round in the chamber had become basically glued in place. I had to use a stainless steel wire wheel on a Dremel to get this hardened epoxy off of it (the wheel is very thin wire, ~32-38g wire, so it's more a buffing wheel). Got the gun in better shape than when I got it after a few hours of cleaning.

Now I needed my 22lr and was taking aim at something the size of a small turkey vulture. I've put 10k rounds through this gun, it's like an extension of my body, I know the scope/range perfectly and have hit a running groundhog at 75 yards, so I'm very comfortable with it. This time the vermin was about 60ft from me and I missed by about 5-6" high, hitting the dirt behind it. Thought it was a bad round, shot again, same thing.

I lowered the gun, pointing it at the ground and the scope slid about 3" forward (to the rail stops). This scope has been in place and not moved in over 20+ years. When I got it dialed in I used a small drop of lock-tite on the 2 mounting screws to make sure they wouldn't rattle loose, back out or anything. Never a problem. Now I can turn the screws by hand and they were torqued down to 50 inch lbs when applying the thread glue - no way it was going anywhere unless I used a massive screwdriver or ratchet to loosen them.

So now within the space to 1 month I've found both of my guns having been messed with, and I live alone, and NO ONE borrows these, ever.

I've heard of scopes coming loose (sliding) with high powered guns like 308's, 30-06, 25-06, 284's, 7mm mag and the like, but that is b/c of the massive recoil. My gun has a heavy barrel and solid walnut stock,so it ain't a light gun, so there's no way recoil from a from a less than 200 joule round is going to loosen these screws let alone slide the scope back with the screws tightened down.

The thing is I have what is basically a military 30-06 that seems to be fine, no tampering, but it is also hidden in a corner behind a guitar case - impossible to see/find w/o really looking. I would think if any gun had problems with scope slide, it would be that, though I don't shoot it as often.

Well another lesson learned to not depend on a gun being zero'd in as the last time you fired it. I went from putting 5/10 rounds in the same hole at 25 meters (bench position) to not being able to hit the paper, from one session to the next.

I gotta find these liberal gremlins that are dead set against me practicing my 2nd amendment rights. It's kind of scary b/c had I really needed this gun to do something like shoot a rabid dog (or just viscous) attacking my family or something. It's more dangerous having the scope messed with than having it be a tack driver like it was, I'd have had no qualms about where I'd hit from 50 yards or less until this happened.

Oh, and I don't keep guns in a safe that I use for home defense or to dispatch varmint, anyone familiar with guns and knows you never know when you need them, knows how bad an idea that is. Keep them in a nice zip case in the back of a closet, drawer, etc - and I live alone, so that mitigates things...

where is the storage part?

where were they stored?


remember the 2nd rule of gun safety

always assume your magazine is filled with epoxy

Well I found out that you can't use the "less than" symbol on this board, it cuts off everything after it. Odd

This was supposed to be included with the original post, but it keeps cutting it off..



from a less than 200 joule round is going to loosen these screws let alone slide the scope back with the screws tightened down.

The thing is I have what is basically a military 30-06 that seems to be fine, no tampering, but it is also hidden in a corner behind a guitar case - impossible to see/find w/o really looking. I would think if any gun had problems with scope slide, it would be that, though I don't shoot it as often.

Well another lesson learned to not depend on a gun being zero'd in as the last time you fired it. I went from putting 5/10 rounds in the same hole at 25 meters (bench position) to not being able to hit the paper, from one session to the next.

I gotta find these liberal gremlins that are dead set against me practicing my 2nd amendment rights. It's kind of scary b/c had I really needed this gun to do something like shoot a rabid dog (or just viscous) attacking my family or something. It's more dangerous having the scope messed with than having it be a tack driver like it was, I'd have had no qualms about where I'd hit from 50 yards or less until this happened.

Oh, and I don't keep guns in a safe that I use for home defense or to dispatch varmint, anyone familiar with guns and knows you never know when you need them, knows how bad an idea that is. Keep them in a nice zip case in the back of a closet, drawer, etc - and I live alone, so that mitigates things...

a reply to: DigginFoTroof

Sounds like, as was suggested in the thread a month ago, you are being sabotaged.

originally posted by: LookingAtMars
a reply to: DigginFoTroof

Sounds like, as was suggested in the thread a month ago, you are being sabotaged.

Yeah, I wouldn't be so upset if I had people living in my house, but what makes it spookier, is that I live alone, so someone has to be coming in.

I've found my front door not latched (there is a trick to keep it completely latched/locked) and if you don't know it, a little wind will push it open, and I've found it "cracked" open at least 20-30x over the last 5 years and I'm damn sure I close it properly b/c it drove me nuts the first few years thinking someone was coming inside when I was gone.

guess it's time to get the DVR recording again on the front entrance.. I hate that b/c I don't like being on camera even myself.

Keep your weapons under lock and key and you have no worries.

was there another thread?

it seems highly unlikely that someone is coming into your house and doing this

originally posted by: TinySickTears
was there another thread?

it seems highly unlikely that someone is coming into your house and doing this

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Man the search function on this site is ROUGH. I have to use google and do the following:
Search field:= site:abovetopsecret.com username subject matter

Otherwise I get search results on a grey screen with slightly darker grey text that almost never has the correct search terms I input. That function needs some work, especially the formatting (maybe change text to blue, purple, red or something, not the same color as the background!!)

originally posted by: TinySickTears
was there another thread?

it seems highly unlikely that someone is coming into your house and doing this

I agree, and I'm guessing you are familiar with firearms being that you are from Texas. You should know that once a gun is zero'd and in optimum working order, you don't really mess with it unless you are changing ammo or something (or upgrading hardware). I have 30+ years of firearm use and never had a single problem like this until the last ~40 days or so, and that was even living in a house with 25+ guys who didn't understand boundaries (meaning they would treat themselves to using it when I wasn't around) - and still never had any problems with dirt, GLUE, or a slipping scope.

I'm thinking it is the house elves or gnomes playing tricks or something...

originally posted by: TinySickTears
where is the storage part?

where were they stored?


remember the 2nd rule of gun safety

always assume your magazine is filled with epoxy

Dude, you make me smile.

Ghosts or Demons. Definitely not something an Alien would do. With an Alien, you would find a plastic gun in it's place.

Metals and chemicals rather than sabotage, I think.

I was playing cards over at a friend's house one time.I knew everyone there except one guy.We had played for about 45 minutes when the guy I didn't know jumps up from his seat and yells out.He moved like someone lit a fire under him.He starts shaking his pants leg and pulling stuff from his pocket.He had keys,loose change,lighters,and like 2 or 3 AA batteries(all in the same pocket).These items had all touched and it got heated quick.I thought he was lying until I held some of the items and they were HOT,not talking body temp. here.We laughed at it and went back to playing cards.

Sounds like you have a friend who is not a friend.

Who in your orbit is so anti-2A that they would go to this extreme?

Also, who might want to make sure that your weapons are disabled should you happen to need them?

Put up a surveillance camera, a Ring, or something similar.

originally posted by: DigginFoTroof

originally posted by: TinySickTears
was there another thread?

it seems highly unlikely that someone is coming into your house and doing this

www.abovetopsecret.com...

thanks

and yup

highly unlikely

i was right

a reply to: DigginFoTroof

ha ha ha
liberal gremlins was pretty good.

a reply to: DigginFoTroof

Perhaps you oiled the weapon with an oil that has degraded or oxidized? Vegetable oils do that. Also, acetone is a breakdown product of biological stuff and is also a solvent to locktite.

So, if you used a vegetable based oil, it could have gummed up one gun and also weakened the locktite on the other, dependent upon the interaction with the surface materials of the respective guns.

Another very off the wall and unlikely possibility is that perhaps you are having some sort of multiple personality disorder issue? Have you ever experienced lost time, found yourself some place with no idea how you got there or had people say that you have done things of which you have no recollection?

However, I'd suspect that bad oil is the most likely answer.

You are asking us to believe someone is breaking into your house and intentionally sabotaging your guns with an epoxy-like substance? Seriously? Think about it. How rational is that? Why wouldn't they just steal the guns and get something of value out of the deal? The whole idea makes zero sense.

I have had the screws loosen on my Marlin 22 scope mounts. I just check them every time I get it out now.