UFO MIB / US Gov Thread.

a reply to: Archivalist

I always supposed ONI would be the top of that list. All the clandestine space stuff just screams naval to me. You'd think they'd be all over it.

a reply to: SlowNail

why are you guys assuming they are flesh and blood humans?
keel debunked that theory years ago

a reply to: humanoidlord

I don't. I just don't personally know of any organisations not run by humans.

originally posted by: SlowNail

I always supposed ONI would be the top of that list.

Well there really does seem to be quite a few missing logbook reports over the years and they do seem to be rather secretive when it comes to declassifying their UFO documents (basically they've never released anything) - maybe there's a good reason their 1950's O.N.I. UFO investigations still remain classified and you're onto something.

Here's a crazy one from a Phoenix FOX 10 NEWS report by Jim Schnebelt - apparently the MIB intercepted some footage of the Phoenix lights:

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FROM THE FOX-10 '10 files'...

: (on screen: stock "Phoenix Lights" footage, of lights suspended in sky)

: voiceover: Months after this (March 13) sighting there are many questions : regarding the strange lights over Phoenix. Is this a solid craft, or : merely lights in an empty sky? : What could be the conclusive evidence is now mysteriously missing. : Richard Curtis claims his home video is proof that this sighting was a : huge flying craft. And he claims his video shows a solid object in the sky : passing over his home.

: (on screen: cut to head shot of Curtis.)

: Curtis: I saw the bottom part (of the craft) as it went over Phoenix, : because the lights lit the bottom of it, and it partially blocked : out the clouds and the stars. : voiceover: Curtis called city councilwoman Frances Emma Barwood, wanting : to show her the footage. : (on screen: cut to head shot of Barwood)

: Barwood: He said he had it on two videotapes, and would I like them, so I : said, "Of course I would.", and could he give me copies of them. He said : he would. I told him how to get them to my office and to mark them : 'personal and confidential'. : (on screen: cheesy slo-mo video "re-enactment" of Men in Black walking : about)

: voiceover: But before Curtis could send copies to Barwood, he's paid a : visit by two mysterious men in black. : Curtis

voiced over MIB reenactments) They were dressed in black : suits, with black hats and sunglasses. They asked me if I had tapes for : coucilwoman Barwood, and I said "Yah, they're laying right here". They : said, "We've stopped by to pick them up." So I said, "Great!" and just : handed (the original tapes) to them.

: (on screen: cut to head shot of Barwood)

: Barwood: I didn't get them, and I have no idea who these two men were : since I have just females working in my office. Its absolutely puzzling to : me. : (on screen: cut to slo-mo MIB, one of them now holding videotapes...(!) )

: voiceover: Did the tapes ever exist, and if so were they proof of more : than "lights" in the sky? And who were these mysterious Men in Black who : allegedly took them?

: (as slo-mo MIB vid continues...)

: Curtis (voiced over): I think someone listened in on that phone call and : wanted those tapes.

: Barwood (voiced over): I can't explain it. Its just eerie. : Voiceover: The mystery continues. Jim Schnebelt, Fox-10 News. : _________ end story, cut to anchor _________ :

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Cheers.

a reply to: humanoidlord

Some of the descriptions did remind me of this case.

a reply to: humanoidlord

It's called a "theory" for a reason.

“Theories look great on paper until reality scribbles all over the page.”
― Richelle E. Goodrich

The "reality" is locked up and hidden from public view, in a secret warehouse, lab, hanger or underground bunker. Until that "reality" is exposed, all we have are "theories."

originally posted by: humanoidlord
a reply to: SlowNail

why are you guys assuming they are flesh and blood humans?
keel debunked that theory years ago

Yup exactly. The MIBs are obviously not humans unless you people know of others that can make themselves and their vehicles dissappear into thin air like one of the stories mentioned.

Most witnesses say they don't look "human". Many/most don't have hair, eye lashes etc. Some talk with "robotic" voices. Make other personal items of the witnesses disappear and reappear days or weeks later.

On a side note I'd love to know if these things are still visiting witnesses of the phenomenon? Are there any modern day visits? Seems like the majority took place in 60s and 70s, anything in the last 10-15 years?

I don't believe Jim Templeton was ever visited by the MIB. I'm pretty sure he just made all of that up. Especially considering that we now know 100% that the pic he took was just of his wife from behind.

a reply to: karl 12

"heck. may be they looking for me. ' i can't spell, i can't sing, i cant do anything. flippity flop. W.C. Fields lol My Pretty
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a reply to: TheOnlyBilko

Something going on in 2017 in Iowa state...Scared some people.
MIB's in Iowa 2017

originally posted by: TheOnlyBilko


Yup exactly. The MIBs are obviously not humans unless you people know of others that can make themselves and their vehicles dissappear into thin air like one of the stories mentioned.


Most witnesses say they don't look "human". Many/most don't have hair, eye lashes etc. Some talk with "robotic" voices. Make other personal items of the witnesses disappear and reappear days or weeks later.

Have read specific cases where witnesses say they were reminded of robots or insects mate - also things like not knowing what to do with spoons or pens or holding a box which they never open - very bizarre stuff.

A "typical" MIB encounter goes something like this: Soon (usually immediately) after witnessing some type of UFO phenomenon, the percipient is visited by one or more strange men. These men often flash badges, give names, and claim to be from one government agency or another. (Upon subsequent investigation, the names givien are invariably absent from the mentioned agency's records and often the agency itself is found not to exist.) The "agents" usually display not only an uncanny knowledge of exactly what the witness has seen, but intimate personal knowledge of the witness as well. They collect all physical evidence of the encounter that the witness may have, such as photographs or residue from a landing site. Even in instances where they do not threaten the witness outright not to speak of his or her experience, the MIB usually manage to make it clear that doing so would not be a good idea. Other times, however, the MIB claim to be insurance salesmen, portrait photographers, or something equally unconnected with the subject of UFOs and never mention the UFO event in question, yet somehow leave the impression that they are associated with it none the less.

MIB tend to run the gamut as far as physical appearance is concerned, however, some generalizations in this are can be made. While some MIB are decidedly more human-looking than others, they have been fairly consistently described as being olive-complected and having thin lips, high cheekbones, and slanted (sometimes glowing)eyes. Their height can range from very short to very tall. They often sport garish makeup and bad wigs in a failed attempt to look more "normal." It is usually difficult to estimate their age. Often they move in a "mechanical" fashion and their voice has a machine-like quality. They frequently appear to have respritory difficulties and seem to be drained of energy over short periods of time. They are usually dressed, of course, in black; most often in out of date suits that appear to be brand new and cut from some strange type of fabric.

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Who knows maybe the genuine freaky cases are individuals from somewhere else - but I'd also speculate that certain intelligence agencies also attempt to suppress UFO/USO information and are distinctly human.

“Unfortunately, we cannot dictate what evidence we must investigate,” said Randles. “These Men in Black are real, and the people who report them deserve our attention. We should strive to find out whether these threatening strangers are just a part of some secret department investigating UFOs or are visiting this world from somewhere beyond our ken.”

Jenny Randles

Cheers.

a reply to: SlowNail

it's not a organization to begin with

What I don't get is these MIB things are seen all over the world. USA sure, but what about the same type being seen in China? They would have never been on side with the USA secret services would they? Especially back then. But the same MIB being seen in those parts of the world just makes no earthly sense. There could well be something more to this than government linked

originally posted by: shawmanfromny
a reply to: humanoidlord



“Theories look great on paper until reality scribbles all over the page.”

― Richelle E. Goodrich

Great quote - here's another one from Phillip:

"Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away."

Philip K Dick

Two doctors witness MIB get into UFO:

In 1971, Arguello de la Mota and Antonio Arocha, both physicians, were in San Juan de los Morros, a small town not far from Caracas, Venezuela, when they were startled by the unexpected arrival of two characters dressed in black who drove into the dusty town in a sporty Mustang. Unaware that they were being watched, the MIB exchanged remarks and donned orange-colored belts. Suddenly, a brilliant object appeared in the sky, descending rapidly to the surface. The doctors swore that the object was a 60-foot-wide disk-shaped craft, which produced a parabolic ladder while hovering inches off the ground. The MIB entered the vehicle, which rose into the skies and vanished out of sight.

MIB in China:

Most readers will be surprised to learn that Men in Black are not an exclusively Western phenomenon. In his book, China and the Extraterrestrials (Difel, 1985—translation available in French and in Portuguese), author Shi Bo relates an interview between newspaperman Wang Shili and a military chauffeur named Li Jing­yang, who had a UFO experience in Shansi province in 1963, when he was only six years old.

While out with his friends, Li Jingyang noticed an awe-inspiring discoid object emerging from the clouds in an otherwise clear sky. The terrified boys observed the UFO closely, which remained static in the sky for some ten minutes.

The following day, while walking the streets alone, Li was surprised by a tall man “completely dressed in black” who stopped him in his tracks, barring his way and demanding to know what the boy had seen. “Since I ­didn’t understand him very well,” the hapless witness explained, “he repeated his question, and I replied yes. He pointed at the sky, where the luminous object had staged its appearance and asked me again: was it there? I told him yes. He advised me to never tell others what I’d seen. Only after I gave him my word of honor did he allow me to leave.”

Li Jingyang recalls the man as having dark skin, adding that many other people saw him and discussed the strange character, whose “gestures were incomprehensible.” The Man in Black walked in a mechanical manner and its mouth did not move whenever it spoke. It disappeared suddenly after turning around a street corner.

Scott Corrales - Inexplicata: The Journal of Hispanic Ufology.
FATE Magazine : August 2006

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you cannot deny these MIB are up to something. They are up to try to intimidate and cause great fear if nothing else. The question is then why?

a reply to: humanoidlord

Archivalist asked for a list of organisations that might be involved.

It was directed at OP, but I threw it in regardless.

originally posted by: ufoorbhunter

There could well be something more to this than government linked

There could well be mate and I guess that's also what Lt. General Hewitt T. Wheless and the Pentagon's Colonel George P. Freeman thought as well.

When it comes to global accounts, looks like there's also some extremely strange reports of UFOs / USOs (and intimidation) coming out of Puerto Rico and according to researcher Timothy Good: ""..the weight of testimony emerging from Puerto Rico is breathtaking.."

As for other countries I think this one from Mexico is one of my favourite UFO cases:

What we have here is a case where almost all of the aspects of the UFO problem are involved.

This is a UFO observation report by a pilot.

This is a UFO close encounter.

This is a daylight UFO observation.

This is case were the reported UFOs are observed at close sight and are solid objet of obvious artificial construction.

This is a report of a near air collision between an aircraft and UFOs.

This is a report of UFO that have a behaviour which is suggesting intelligent control.

This is a case of physical effects on an aircraft.

This is a radar/visual case, where a visual sighting is confirmed by independant people detecting the presence of the objects on a detection device.

This is a case where the UFOs fly away in direction of Mount Popocatepetl, obviously a hotbed of UFO reports and allegedly some sort of hideout for extraterrestrial aircraft.

This is a case where a pilot reports his encounter publicly.

This is a case where the witness has been medically checked and interviewed. If Hynek could not speak to Los Santos Montiel, at least Jerome Clark and others could.

This is a case where the witness stood firm with his account over time.

This is a case where the witness reports that he has been repeatedly intimidated by unidentified people probably from a foreign country (UFO folklore call them "Men in Black").

UFOs 'Escort' Mexican Aircraft - Radar Confirmed.

Apparently the pilot was harassed by Men in Black on his way to an interview with the late Dr. J.Allen Hynek.

Cheers.

a reply to: karl 12

agreed

a reply to: SlowNail

ok

a reply to: karl 12

Would be interesting to know if MIB encounters go back before WW2 / use of nukes. I just can't get to grips with them being seen all over the planet Earth by different peoples and cultures and there being nothing to the reports. Also the MIBs must have mastered a whole library of human languages to be able to communicate with the different peoples. It's so perplexing really and difficult to understand. Maybe there is a secret world government pulling the strings behind the scenes................. But in all countries on Earth? Hard to get the head round somehow