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originally posted by: Masterjaden
a reply to: Iconic
Please I wish everyone would stop calling it the democratic party, it is the democrat party, they are democrats, they are not democratics and it is not the democratic party.
Jaden
Democratic Party
noun
(in the US) the older and more liberal of the two major political parties, so named since 1840 Compare Republican Party
(in South Africa) a multiracial political party of the centre-left, now the main opposition to the African National Congress Abbreviation: DP
Democratic party
One of the two major political parties in the United States; the Democrats. The origins of the Democrats are in the Democratic-Republican party, organized by Thomas Jefferson in the late eighteenth century; the first president elected simply as a Democrat was Andrew Jackson. Always strong in the South, the party was severely damaged by secession, the Civil War, and Reconstruction, and did not produce a winning presidential candidate between 1861 and 1885, when Grover Cleveland was elected. In the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries, in contrast to the Republicans, the Democrats tended to be the party of the South and West, opposed to the interests of business and the Northeast. Woodrow Wilson, the next Democratic president, was part of the Progressive movement. In the period of the New Deal, in the presidency of Franklin D. Roosevelt, the Democratic party reached enormous strength among labor union members, minority groups, and middle-income people. The Democratic presidents since Roosevelt have been Harry S. Truman, John F. Kennedy, Lyndon Johnson, James Earl Carter, and William Jefferson Clinton.
originally posted by: Edumakated
I just figured I'd share this little tidbit for some people to think about when it comes to the government shut down and wall.
One of the reasons I think people don't get more upset with politicians and spending is that the numbers often being thrown around are too big for the average person to comprehend. As a result, they have no context or ability to relate.
The 2018 federal budget is $4 trillion dollars. Basically, $4,000,000,000,000. Donald Trump is asking for $5 billion dollars to fund the wall. Now $5 billion dollars is a lot of money for an individual. That is Lannister sh*tting gold rich for GOT fans. However, in the context of the US government spending $4 trillion, it really isn't a lot of money for a major capital project like securing the border.
Let me put it in terms that the average middle American can understand. A household budget.
Let's knock off a few zeros. If we divide by $4 trillion by $10 million, that leaves us with a household budget of $400,000. This is still a lot of money for an individual or a household. In fact, that is basically 1% income money in the US. If you carry that divisor of $10 million over to the $5 billion for the wall it becomes...... $500.
In other words, if the US government was a household that made $400,000, the husband and wife are bickering over whether the husband can spend $500 on a home security system. Hubbie is sleeping on the couch and not getting any loving because the wife is mad he wants to spend $500 on a SimpliSafe.
Let that sink in. So the federal government is essentially shut down over what amounts to a $500 expenditure for someone who makes $400,000 a year... Since some of you can't relate to making $400k/yr if you remove one zero, it is like someone who makes $40,000 a year not being able to spend $50.
If Republicans put this out in these terms so everyone could understand, I don't see how the Democrats can stand with a straight face justifying not giving DJT his wall funding.
Flame away...
originally posted by: continuousThunder
not the uhhhhhh sharpest cookies in the pile around here, hey?
quite aside from it being a moral issue, you guys know what a budget IS, right?
it's this thing where you divide up and allot all the money that you're going to have.
so when hubby from the earlier analogy is going "wah wah i want $500 to put barbed wire on our fence for whatever reason" it REALLY DOESN'T MATTER how much or how little of the overall amount that 500 is - the money has been allotted and there isn't any extra.
Unless you want to take the money that would be buying school supplies for the children and use that instead.
Except that America has already been doing exactly that for so long that you're woefully unbelievably in debt and still it's considered normal to pump trillions and trillions into the military each year while your health and education systems fester in neglect.
originally posted by: Justoneman
originally posted by: TonyS
a reply to: JAGStorm
"We are always losing."
Especially at election times.
I am starting to believe it is an illusion of a Democratic Republic. Each side probably cooks the books in states they can. In a strong R state, the opposition can't cook it enough for a D but someone can nudge along the R that has been chosen by the elite. In a D state they can't cheat an R in but they can cook it up for the chosen one. A uniparty for them but not for us.
The chosen ones are probably being hand picked with hand shake agreements on who is going to win before the first vote is cast. Making primaries and General Elections fluff for us pawns if true.
originally posted by: Starhooker
We should ask the people who live on the border and are the most affected by illegal immigration. I think most are all for it.
originally posted by: Byrd
originally posted by: Edumakated
I just figured I'd share this little tidbit for some people to think about when it comes to the government shut down and wall.
One of the reasons I think people don't get more upset with politicians and spending is that the numbers often being thrown around are too big for the average person to comprehend. As a result, they have no context or ability to relate.
The 2018 federal budget is $4 trillion dollars. Basically, $4,000,000,000,000. Donald Trump is asking for $5 billion dollars to fund the wall. Now $5 billion dollars is a lot of money for an individual. That is Lannister sh*tting gold rich for GOT fans. However, in the context of the US government spending $4 trillion, it really isn't a lot of money for a major capital project like securing the border.
Let me put it in terms that the average middle American can understand. A household budget.
Let's knock off a few zeros. If we divide by $4 trillion by $10 million, that leaves us with a household budget of $400,000. This is still a lot of money for an individual or a household. In fact, that is basically 1% income money in the US. If you carry that divisor of $10 million over to the $5 billion for the wall it becomes...... $500.
In other words, if the US government was a household that made $400,000, the husband and wife are bickering over whether the husband can spend $500 on a home security system. Hubbie is sleeping on the couch and not getting any loving because the wife is mad he wants to spend $500 on a SimpliSafe.
Let that sink in. So the federal government is essentially shut down over what amounts to a $500 expenditure for someone who makes $400,000 a year... Since some of you can't relate to making $400k/yr if you remove one zero, it is like someone who makes $40,000 a year not being able to spend $50.
If Republicans put this out in these terms so everyone could understand, I don't see how the Democrats can stand with a straight face justifying not giving DJT his wall funding.
Flame away...
You missed the part where they're 2,100,000 in debt and on a budget and half the people in the household want that money spent on something else.
originally posted by: soundguy
I remember when conservatives were actually kinda conservative. Screw that stupid vanity wall it will never work. They will just go around it, over it and under it. a reply to: Edumakated
originally posted by: DBCowboy
originally posted by: Byrd
originally posted by: Edumakated
I just figured I'd share this little tidbit for some people to think about when it comes to the government shut down and wall.
One of the reasons I think people don't get more upset with politicians and spending is that the numbers often being thrown around are too big for the average person to comprehend. As a result, they have no context or ability to relate.
The 2018 federal budget is $4 trillion dollars. Basically, $4,000,000,000,000. Donald Trump is asking for $5 billion dollars to fund the wall. Now $5 billion dollars is a lot of money for an individual. That is Lannister sh*tting gold rich for GOT fans. However, in the context of the US government spending $4 trillion, it really isn't a lot of money for a major capital project like securing the border.
Let me put it in terms that the average middle American can understand. A household budget.
Let's knock off a few zeros. If we divide by $4 trillion by $10 million, that leaves us with a household budget of $400,000. This is still a lot of money for an individual or a household. In fact, that is basically 1% income money in the US. If you carry that divisor of $10 million over to the $5 billion for the wall it becomes...... $500.
In other words, if the US government was a household that made $400,000, the husband and wife are bickering over whether the husband can spend $500 on a home security system. Hubbie is sleeping on the couch and not getting any loving because the wife is mad he wants to spend $500 on a SimpliSafe.
Let that sink in. So the federal government is essentially shut down over what amounts to a $500 expenditure for someone who makes $400,000 a year... Since some of you can't relate to making $400k/yr if you remove one zero, it is like someone who makes $40,000 a year not being able to spend $50.
If Republicans put this out in these terms so everyone could understand, I don't see how the Democrats can stand with a straight face justifying not giving DJT his wall funding.
Flame away...
You missed the part where they're 2,100,000 in debt and on a budget and half the people in the household want that money spent on something else.
And yet. . . you have no problem with the US spending 135 billion a year on illegals.
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