American political analyst: Something amazing is happening in Russia

a reply to: RussianTroll

And in the Crimea the parliament also voted

After armed gunmen took over the building, and deposed the Prime Minister while they raised the Russian flag? After they placed Aksyonov (whose Russian Union party had a 4% vote share) as PM? A vote taking place behind closed doors with armed guards? A vote which garnered 64 of 100 votes somehow while only 36 ministers were present? Where votes were recorded for multiple members who say they were not there? That vote?

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: RussianTroll

We already went over this. Russia's Human Rights Council, which is part of the Kremlin, admitted that the actual referendum only had a 30% turnout. Of that 30%, at most, 50% voted in favor of annexation.

The Russian Human Rights Council is made up of US citizens. Links to the studio, please

originally posted by: RadioRobert
a reply to: RussianTroll

And in the Crimea the parliament also voted

After armed gunmen took over the building, and deposed the Prime Minister while they raised the Russian flag? After they placed Aksyonov (whose Russian Union party had a 4% vote share) as PM? A vote taking place behind closed doors with armed guards? A vote which garnered 64 of 100 votes somehow while only 36 ministers were present? Where votes were recorded for multiple members who say they were not there? That vote?

Those whom you call "armed militants", together with the police, defended the Crimean Parliament from local gangsters and those who arrived on trains from Western Ukraine. Galicia. By your logic, "armed militants" can be called the US Army, which guards the White House and Congress

a reply to: RussianTroll

Here is the council. They all seem to be pretty Russian to me.

Council Members

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: RussianTroll

I'm not speculating on anything. There were only a handful of countries that officially acknowledged the annexation. These include places like North Korea and Iran. China was not included in the list.

We are Russians, our country is Russia. And we do not care who recognizes us or does not recognize. If you are against it, then wait for our "Daggers", "Avant-garde", "Poseidons", "Sarmatians", etc. We do not mind. Now over the ocean in bunkers do not sit tight. Now we are the power, humble yourself.

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: RussianTroll

Here is the council. They all seem to be pretty Russian to me.

Council Members

I know these US citizens. Links to your words - in the studio! Otherwise, I have to admit that you are a stupid troll.

a reply to: RussianTroll

Those whom you call "armed militants", together with the police, defended the Crimean Parliament from local gangsters and those who arrived on trains from Western Ukraine. Galicia. By your logic, "armed militants" can be called the US Army, which guards the White House and Congress

Did the US Army recently seize control of Congress and the White House, depose elected officials and replace them with people whose party garnered 4% of the vote? If not, I'm not sure what you're talking about.

originally posted by: RadioRobert
a reply to: RussianTroll

Those whom you call "armed militants", together with the police, defended the Crimean Parliament from local gangsters and those who arrived on trains from Western Ukraine. Galicia. By your logic, "armed militants" can be called the US Army, which guards the White House and Congress

Did the US Army recently seize control of Congress and the White House, depose elected officials and replace them with people whose party garnered 4% of the vote? If not, I'm not sure what you're talking about.

The US Army defends the White House and Congress from gangs. Also, the police and self-defense forces defended the Crimean parliament from gangs. By undermining international law, you are undermining the constitutional foundations of your state. Because tomorrow, when the gangsters will storm the White House and Congress, many countries can say that they are rebels and legal representatives of your state. No double standards. There is law and justice

a reply to: RussianTroll

If armed gunmen (who weren't in this case, by the way, uniformed military officers of Crimea/Ukraine) take over the White House and Congress and depose elected officials and install fringe politicians as President/Congresspeoples, I both anticipate and fervently hope there to be a response from "armed gangsters" in this country.

originally posted by: RadioRobert
a reply to: RussianTroll

If armed gunmen (who weren't in this case, by the way, uniformed military officers of Crimea/Ukraine) take over the White House and Congress and depose elected officials and install fringe politicians as President/Congresspeoples, I both anticipate and fervently hope there to be a response from "armed gangsters" in this country.

I can show a lot of videos in which the Crimean police and self-defense forces protect the Crimean parliament from visiting gangs. Such videos - the sea. Let me remind you that 80% of the police, army, navy and special services of Ukraine in Crimea after the referendum took the oath of Russia. Voluntarily, they could safely leave, as the remaining 20%. Imagine trains with armed gangs going from California to Washington to storm the Congress. What should the US Army and the residents of Washington DC do? Gangs must be destroyed in order to save the US state. Otherwise, the trouble is not with us, but with you.

I remember there were great players in the NHL, such as Bobby Hull and Phil Esposito. They also treated the Russians first, how do you feel. But when the Russian hockey players beat them repeatedly, they became friends. I see that you are worse than those whose avatar you have)))

originally posted by: RussianTroll
A political analyst tells how he first came to Russia in 1994 and saw people who, in his words, felt "humiliated to the last ounce of their vital energy."

Well when you hit rock bottom there's only one way to go: up. It would be very surprising if they managed to collapse all over again without having a renaissance first.

a reply to: RussianTroll

The "gangs" installed a new unelected government and had a vote for annexation that violated several provisions of the constitution. Attempting to play role reversal and pretend they were the legitimate government protecting itself is pretty blindly nonsense to anyone who paid the slightest attention.

I don't have anything against Russians. It really doesn't enter into it. I met several russian servicemen in the mid-90's through various exchange programs. I still vaguely remember a drinking song in Russian. I found them remarkably similar to everyone else in the West. I find it hard to even hate Putin. He's very predictable in his self-interest. I can even admire the realpolitik of it all. Very pragmatic and barely bothers masking with pretense like Western democracies. They took Crimea for the same reason they do many things -- because they could and knew the West didn't care enough to actually remove them. Very pragmatic if less than ethical. I'm not sure I even blame them necessarily. But that doesn't mean I don't recognize your fertilizer. Why bother with the fake reasoning that everyone with half a brain sees through?

originally posted by: RadioRobert
a reply to: RussianTroll

The "gangs" installed a new unelected government and had a vote for annexation that violated several provisions of the constitution. Attempting to play role reversal and pretend they were the legitimate government protecting itself is pretty blindly nonsense to anyone who paid the slightest attention.

I don't have anything against Russians. It really doesn't enter into it. I met several russian servicemen in the mid-90's through various exchange programs. I still vaguely remember a drinking song in Russian. I found them remarkably similar to everyone else in the West. I find it hard to even hate Putin. He's very predictable in his self-interest. I can even admire the realpolitik of it all. Very pragmatic and barely bothers masking with pretense like Western democracies. They took Crimea for the same reason they do many things -- because they could and knew the West didn't care enough to actually remove them. Very pragmatic if less than ethical. I'm not sure I even blame them necessarily. But that doesn't mean I don't recognize your fertilizer. Why bother with the fake reasoning that everyone with half a brain sees through?

With such citizens America really will not live long))
All the best, wait for us in Alaska)))

originally posted by: rickymouse
I have no problem with the Russian people. Most of them are probably just like us...

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: CriticalStinker

And I didn't agree with the Iraq War either. The whole War on Terrorism is a sham.

So what's your point with bringing Iraq up?

You brought up Crimea.

The world was a little more outraged about that over us going to Iraq against everyone's wishes.

Only enough for sanctions though.

China is making islands south of mainland and impeding international traffic. Again, this is about precedence, we showed that with Iraq, and doubled down many times after that.

I have listened to Putin's words during interviews several times. I have always come away thinking he is well spoken and a great leader for Russia.

If there is one nation on this earth that should be a brother to America it is Russia and a few times it looked like that is where the relationship was headed but alas, things went from good to worse. NATO and USA military basses surrounding Russia did not help in the brotherly love department IMO.

After the USSR broke up I actually had some dealings with some Russian citizens.. One in particular was the guy who was head of your then defunct space shuttle program.. We met in Florida about exporting some Russian aircraft.. His interpreter was a beautiful Russian girl who spoke better English than me..

I also had some dealings with a Young Russian man who was a Russian acrobatic pilot. He was a great flyer but unfortunately he was killed in a Chinese manufactured POS Yak during an airshow.. I was not there during the accident but it was said the bird broke up inflight and he was unable to get out.. Funny great guy..

There are different people all over the world .. some you beat down and they cry for their mommy while others, when able, get back up and plan revenge.. The Russian people were beat down when the USSR failed .. But they are the type to get back up and fight IMO.

I wish the world was different and the talk of wars and all the killings would end but it has never happened and I see no end to it.

I personally am glad you have joined ATS as IMO it is always good to hear the other side of a discussion ..

I keep waiting for warm weather as I am thinking about going to St. Petersburg... I have a Russian girl who was an international flight attendant at my airline who every year invites us to come and see the sights..youtu.be...


On a side note it is hard to find things to believe in this government sponsored propagandized world no matter who is doing the talking.

a reply to: 727Sky

Thank. I am also very happy to meet people like you here. Communication and progress should bring people together, because there are a lot more good people on Earth than bad ones)))

Good luck to you and your girlfriend. St. Petersburg is a beautiful city, recognized as the cultural capital of the world. Happiness!

The American model of democratic republic has failed. That is not to say it cannot be revived and made stronger than ever. But the wealthy who control the country through their government proxies are quite powerful and will not give up their ill-gained spoils without major turmoil. And most people do not want to threaten what little they have left, their comforts, in order to take on the powerful.

originally posted by: CriticalStinker
a reply to: RussianTroll


I wrote a paper on it, and detailed with other indicators why I believed this. I got a D because my teacher was an avid Bush supporter, and at the time, Bush and Putin had very close ties, and Russia was considered an ally.

3 years later, Russia invaded Georgia, then Crimea 7~ years after that.

So a referendum in the Crimea, that had 96% of the population wanting to leave Ukraine and align with Russia, is a Russian "invasion"?

The facts about that are being scrubbed from the web... and replaced by negative stories... but nearly 80% of Crimean's consider themselves Russian... hardly the climate one would expect from an invasion.

America and the E.U. were behind the installation of a neo-nazi like faction in Ukraine, as that entire conflict was a construct of a black bag project of the Obama admin.

Putin's no angel... but the "Ukrainian conflict" was an operation, not an event.

a reply to: dasman888

So a referendum in the Crimea, that had 96% of the population wanting to leave Ukraine and align with Russia, is a Russian "invasion"?

The referendum that happened after foreign troops occupied the area?

That's an invasion.

Regardless how you want to frame it, Russian soldiers went into Ukrainian territory before it was voted to be part of Russia.