how drug testing situations really play out

originally posted by: 3n19m470

I could see some leniency but there will always be hazardous jobs whether youre a soldier, cop, astronaut or foundry worker, people will want you "sober".

But its not fair to ask someone to do a stressful (mentally Or physically) job and then dictate how they deal with the stress, which they must take home with them...a job like that should come with extra pay if they want you behaving as if "on the clock" while at home. Seriously someone would have to pay me to even think about quitting. But that's me.

I read the comment about mouth swab tests. They are a lot more expensive from what I hear. Thats supposedly the reason they do pee tests as opposed to mouth swabs at my methadone clinic. Maybe double or triple the cost of a pee test i think? I'm sure Pete would've happily paid that cost to keep his job. *shrug*

Well one good thing from legalizing pot is they will need to come up with a legal level for sobriety, maybe they have already, instead of some zero tolerance thing when we know THC can stay in your system for like ever.

originally posted by: 3n19m470


But its not fair to ask someone to do a stressful (mentally Or physically) job and then dictate how they deal with the stress, which they must take home with them..*

agreed

lets be clear.

a major reason why people smoke is cause it makes you feel good. they just want to get a buzz

lets just get that out of the way. even if that was the only reason people were smoking i still say get rid of the tests and they should not be fired.

other major reasons are stress and pain.
people get stressed and it helps them relax.

it helps the aches and pains

originally posted by: TinySickTears
if you get hurt at work and have to go to the hospital or clinic you are tested as you would be for a pre emplyment

Mate that sounds like police state #!!!
I couldn't work in an environment like that, no way, respect to you.

originally posted by: TinySickTears

i am sure he was not high at the time of the injury
you are wrong about the test


if you get hurt at work and have to go to the hospital or clinic you are tested as you would be for a pre emplyment

Well then they will need to live with their zero tolerance attitude and except the repercussions of that. It like when a company doesn't want to hire the best person based on X Y or Z I'm like good...I'll hire them and now I'm more capable to beat the competition.

originally posted by: CornishCeltGuy

originally posted by: TinySickTears
if you get hurt at work and have to go to the hospital or clinic you are tested as you would be for a pre emplyment

Mate that sounds like police state #!!!
I couldn't work in an environment like that, no way, respect to you.

well i dont like it but this is my reaity
i need to work

its a drag man.

get tested like that pre employment
subjected to that test at random
get tested like that if we get hurt bad enough to go to the clinic

it sucks.

at this point it just sucks cause it is a little inconvenient.
it is very easy getting past the tests.

its the principal of it though

i see good workers getting fired for this # and # workers replacing them and winding up getting fired too.

originally posted by: Xtrozero


Well then they will need to live with their zero tolerance attitude and except the repercussions of that.

i get it and they will insofar as they now have to go through the interview process
sending a new guy for drug testing
buying him boots
training him
paying OT*

i give a # about that but their policy #s with everyone

*now that Old dude is out and it is only new dude new dude will be working more hours and the guys from the horizontal are going to have to work more hours cause they are going to spend time helping to train 3 month guy and brand new guy.

that it not cool

a reply to: TinySickTears

well i dont like it but this is my reaity i need to work

Not trying to sound crazy here, but have you ever thought about just not doing drugs?
Is that even out of the question?

Michigan it's now legal but companies still reject it. First day they sent 4 guys out for random. All passed one quit the first of the year anyway. My boss asked me if I would pass I told him lets go together and find out. Conversation over.

Stupid rules anyway

originally posted by: JAGStorm
a reply to: TinySickTears

well i dont like it but this is my reaity i need to work

Not trying to sound crazy here, but have you ever thought about just not doing drugs?
Is that even out of the question?

yeah i thought about it

then i dismissed it

like i said it is little more than an inconvenience for me at this point
i am not worried about getting busted.

a reply to: TinySickTears
I get ya
I'm self employed, but spent the majority of my life from age 16 as an employee...I'd struggle to answer to some bull# manager again.

double post

But he tested positive several days AFTER the accident, right? So unless they tested him immediately, shouldn't they still be required to pay his medical bills?

originally posted by: JAGStorm
a reply to: TinySickTears

well i dont like it but this is my reaity i need to work

Not trying to sound crazy here, but have you ever thought about just not doing drugs?
Is that even out of the question?

Do you use ethanol?

originally posted by: TinySickTears

originally posted by: CornishCeltGuy

originally posted by: TinySickTears
if you get hurt at work and have to go to the hospital or clinic you are tested as you would be for a pre emplyment

Mate that sounds like police state #!!!
I couldn't work in an environment like that, no way, respect to you.

well i dont like it but this is my reaity
i need to work

its a drag man.

get tested like that pre employment
subjected to that test at random
get tested like that if we get hurt bad enough to go to the clinic

it sucks.

at this point it just sucks cause it is a little inconvenient.
it is very easy getting past the tests.

its the principal of it though

i see good workers getting fired for this # and # workers replacing them and winding up getting fired too.

I have to agree with JAGS here...seems like the smartest thing to do would be to not do drugs while you're on the job or within the time frame where any drugs you did would show up still on a test (if you were off for a weekend or something).

There is a REASON that companies will Fire drug users. You know what that reason is, right? It's because drugs (yes, even weed!) will affect your perception, your performance, your thinking, your coordination, everything.

Generally, employers want their employees firing on all cylinders.

To me, you sound immature. Immature people can't delay gratification or do repsonsible things when it interferes with their enjoyment. Immature people keep smoking weed when they aren't supposed to and carry around bottles of another person's urine wih them.

Just think about that for a second. How stupid does it sound?

It is. Stupid, that is.

Grow up, be a man, be responsible, and don't smokke weed if you have to work the next few days.

a reply to: Xtrozero


Budweiser just got a contract in Canada to experiment on Beers with Mary Jane. From what I am seeing there is BIG money behind legalization and by that I mean Multi National Corporations. Warren Buffet is IN. We all know how easy it is to buy a politician so it's just a matter of time. It will be those politicians who got paid versus those who didn't.


Look at John Behnor! Against it his whole time in office. Now he seen the light [$$$$$$$] and he is a big shot on some board pushing for legalization...

originally posted by: KansasGirl
But he tested positive several days AFTER the accident, right? So unless they tested him immediately, shouldn't they still be required to pay his medical bills?

he went to the med works clinic and all they do at the clinic is the cup.
they send it out to the lab and the results come later.

the cup has a temp strip on it. the nurse uses a lancet for specific gravity and urea.
if it fails any of those 3 it does not go to the lab.

if it passes those 3 it goes to the lab for the spectro test.

thats the delay in time

a reply to: CornishCeltGuy

Do you use ethanol?

No I'm not a drinker, and I've never, as in ever done drugs. Not one puff.
It seems weird, but it's true. I have no problems with others doing it and am actually for the legalization.
I just personally have no desire, just not my thing.

originally posted by: KansasGirl

I have to agree with JAGS here...seems like the smartest thing to do would be to not do drugs while you're on the job or within the time frame where any drugs you did would show up still on a test (if you were off for a weekend or something).

There is a REASON that companies will Fire drug users. You know what that reason is, right? It's because drugs (yes, even weed!) will affect your perception, your performance, your thinking, your coordination, everything.

Generally, employers want their employees firing on all cylinders.

To me, you sound immature. Immature people can't delay gratification or do repsonsible things when it interferes with their enjoyment. Immature people keep smoking weed when they aren't supposed to and carry around bottles of another person's urine wih them.

Just think about that for a second. How stupid does it sound?

It is. Stupid, that is.

Grow up, be a man, be responsible, and don't smokke weed if you have to work the next few days.

the smartest thing to do would be to not use something that will cause you to pop dirty. correct

i do understand they alter # and have never advocated for being under the influence at work.
i dont carry anyones urine around on me


reality stands
people, myself included are not going to stop

have your opinion from way high up on that horse. thats fine
call me what you will. thats fine too

really does not change anything

my point was the drug testing at work is stupid because it does not solve or prevent anything and i gave example to my point.

a reply to: JAGStorm
Wow, I've only known one person in real life who has never been intoxicated on ethanol or any other drug.
You must have a drug though, I was addicted to running for a couple of years, the endorphins and adrenaline.
...maybe I'm just a junky lol

a reply to: CornishCeltGuy

I don't consider myself a drinker, but I have an occasional drink in the past, but as far as being drunk, I don't think I'm actually capable.
I have that weird asian gene that doesn't process alcohol correctly.