An Electromagnetic Event Impacting The United States Is Inevitable. Get Ready Now

a reply to: infolurker

Would go and live with this guy:


Watch his other vids, to see how he manages to farm crops, capture and raise wild-chickens, pigs, and fish.

Total honesty here. I am a little bit more than casually familiar with survival techniques. Considerably more. Plenty of gear, but could indeed get by starting with nothing for quite a long time. 99.99999% of all “survival situations” is getting by until rescued or otherwise rejoin a functioning society.

In a total collapse I put my odds 40% past the first year depending on time of the year of the collapse and estimated time frame of restoration. Accidents happen, folks. Illness, broken bones, you name it. Making it beyond 5 years, I’d say 10% if I am generous with the estimate of the odds.

Grid killing EMP, the death toll would be 85-95%. So 90% is on the money. Number one killer, hypothermia. Followed by disease and dehydration. Victims of violence will be in the top ten, but not the big killer most people think.

originally posted by: ManBehindTheMask

originally posted by: MisterSpock
Personally, my biggest issue that would stall my preparation would be picking weapons layout.

That's my Achilles heal. Too many options and too many possibilities.

They might find me sitting in my arsenal trying to pick the top 5 weapons for deployment.

I really need to be more realistic on that stuff. I can make a case for why I'd need my 458 win mag with 200 rounds of solids.

This isnt tremors for #s sake.......

Pick a side arm, pick a rifle with enough punch to take out bigger game, but where you can more likely scavage the ammo when you inevitably run out. That and you cant let your ammo take up too much weight over other necessities......

Bout your only options bud!

Ohh, I know all the angles, but would still come out overencumbered.

Sidearms.

9mm for ammo availability
10mm for personal preference of power
Big bore revolver for punch

556 for a rifle
Probably drag a Winchester model 70 ought 6 for the hunting cartridge availability

Then that 458 for...you know...tanks..

Plus body armor and another 40 pounds of gear.

I'm a strong guy, but even I know that all would be weighing me down.

a reply to: Wildmanimal

National Geographic: Electronic Armageddon

originally posted by: MisterSpock
a reply to: Lumenari

Meh, I dont think most of us would worry about that.

I'd put 10 gallons of water, 200 rounds of 556 and 30 MREs on 2 country boys against a gang of 100 urbanite sloths.

The point being, for every 20 miles out of the city they get, their odds are halved, or quartered for survival.

They might just camp-out by a livestock farm.
Plenty of pig, beef, dairy, chicken farms surrounding most cities.
Some with pastures, or large feed-storage silos, might be able to continue supplying food for a few weeks, or more.

When you think about it: these farms already supply the city.
As starving/surviving folks from a city go-out of town, they won't all go in the same direction.

Perhaps they could find a good and relatively lasting food-source on these farms, but then the major problems would be shelter, clean water and sanitation.

a reply to: Nothin

Ya....I'm sure all those farmers...and their children who are more likely to have served in some capacity in the military would let a bunch of waxed bearded urban hipsters pouch their livelihood from then in a shtf scenario.

Sorry, urbanites are doomed in basically every scenario.

originally posted by: MisterSpock

originally posted by: ManBehindTheMask

originally posted by: MisterSpock
Personally, my biggest issue that would stall my preparation would be picking weapons layout.

That's my Achilles heal. Too many options and too many possibilities.

They might find me sitting in my arsenal trying to pick the top 5 weapons for deployment.

I really need to be more realistic on that stuff. I can make a case for why I'd need my 458 win mag with 200 rounds of solids.

This isnt tremors for #s sake.......

Pick a side arm, pick a rifle with enough punch to take out bigger game, but where you can more likely scavage the ammo when you inevitably run out. That and you cant let your ammo take up too much weight over other necessities......

Bout your only options bud!

Ohh, I know all the angles, but would still come out overencumbered.

Sidearms.

9mm for ammo availability
10mm for personal preference of power
Big bore revolver for punch

556 for a rifle
Probably drag a Winchester model 70 ought 6 for the hunting cartridge availability

Then that 458 for...you know...tanks..

Plus body armor and another 40 pounds of gear.

I'm a strong guy, but even I know that all would be weighing me down.

While I cannot fault your list, a .22 seems enough for me. A well placed .22 is just as good as the alternative.

A 9m handgun, 12 gauge shotgun, and .22 caliber rounds out of any marksman package. High powered bullets are great, but if you're on mark the caliber doesn't matter.

originally posted by: Ksihkehe

originally posted by: MisterSpock

originally posted by: ManBehindTheMask

originally posted by: MisterSpock
Personally, my biggest issue that would stall my preparation would be picking weapons layout.

That's my Achilles heal. Too many options and too many possibilities.

They might find me sitting in my arsenal trying to pick the top 5 weapons for deployment.

I really need to be more realistic on that stuff. I can make a case for why I'd need my 458 win mag with 200 rounds of solids.

This isnt tremors for #s sake.......

Pick a side arm, pick a rifle with enough punch to take out bigger game, but where you can more likely scavage the ammo when you inevitably run out. That and you cant let your ammo take up too much weight over other necessities......

Bout your only options bud!

Ohh, I know all the angles, but would still come out overencumbered.

Sidearms.

9mm for ammo availability
10mm for personal preference of power
Big bore revolver for punch

556 for a rifle
Probably drag a Winchester model 70 ought 6 for the hunting cartridge availability

Then that 458 for...you know...tanks..

Plus body armor and another 40 pounds of gear.

I'm a strong guy, but even I know that all would be weighing me down.

While I cannot fault your list, a .22 seems enough for me. A well placed .22 is just as good as the alternative.

A 9m handgun, 12 gauge shotgun, and .22 caliber rounds out of any marksman package. High powered bullets are great, but if you're on mark the caliber doesn't matter.

I keep a 22 pistol and 200 rounds of subsonic ammo in my food bag.

I agree a 12 gauge shotty would have lots of savaging ammo for it. So would have to sling one of those over the shoulder before leaving. Hence my point. I'd look like an extra in hot fuzz in a shtf scenario.

Yes, we should stock enough food to keep us fed for at least a month or two. That can be done at a reasonable cost. It also requires owning a manual canopener, without power you cannot use the electric one. Just save some gallon water jugs, washing milk jugs is essential before using them, and rotate the water in them every six months. Five gallons per person is enough for about ten days but you need to conserve. Keep paper plates on hand and paper towels. Just stock a pantry or pantry totes and rotate the stock as you use it, totes cost about six to seven bucks when on sale, three to four totes is all that is needed for a couple of months reserve..

Things will settle down after about a week, chaos erupts right away when the power goes out, extended time without it does reduce the looting and rioting.

People would have to learn to eat insects and worms. All those electrical engineers in the USA would have to work with the electric companies to fix it. There should be thousands of them. My father and brother were EE Purdue grads. You are being really doom porn. Worry about Ebola instead.

a reply to: rickymouseSave old bleach bottles for water containers. It's more sanitary than milk jugs.

It would be game over for us all I feel like, because China and or Russia, et all, would surely launch an invasion of sorts if they were only minorly affected by the event.

And don't say that would not be possible, most of the military would go awol back to their families in such a situation ?

90% is a good guess, based on history.

And the killer will be: Diarrhea

Specifically, typhoid typhus and dysentery.

Posters are right, people are adaptable. They'll figure out how to stay warm; they'll figure out stuff they can eat.

And when there's no water, they'll all go down to the local creek, stream, river or lake. And they'll draw water right there at the water's edge. In dirty buckets. With dirty hands. And one of them will have diarrhea, and won't have wiped well because they've got hemorrhoids that make wiping painful.

two thirds of all civil war military deaths were caused by disease, not combat. What kind of disease? drinking water diseases, that's what kind.

About a third of ALL deaths in ww2 were caused by disease, and that's counting civilians. Though in the Soviet Union, disease deaths among the troops matched US civil war death rates

When people are sick, they don't always make it to the latrine. After a good rain, there's puddles everywhere. And one guy with the squirts, and no place to really wash his hands, and then thousands die.

a reply to: Graysen

Schytting a blue-streak, you say?

a reply to: MisterSpock

It may depend on where you live as well...

.30-06 is a big no here... a .308 is compatible with 7.62 NATO rounds.

10mm? Just no as well.... everyone here has a .45

For food, a .22 takes deer on down quite easily, since here shooting a deer involves popping it off your back porch at 20 feet...

Shotgun, something in the Mossburg 500, for instance, is needed too.

No real need for anything else.

a reply to: Graysen

All the more reason to have a spring on your property...

a reply to: Ksihkehe

but if you're on mark the caliber doesn't matter.

Youve very apparently never chased an animal over extremely rough terrain because you over estimated your round , even shot it the sweet spots animals can take off if theres not enough punch.....

Theres no way i would try to take out the game up here in Idaho with anything less than .30-06, but i prefer my .308 in almost all situations.... anything less than those and you risk losing your meal indefinitely

but again it depends a lot on where your at and the game/predators in the area

a reply to: Lumenari

LoL you beat me to it

originally posted by: Lumenari
a reply to: MisterSpock

It may depend on where you live as well...

.30-06 is a big no here... a .308 is compatible with 7.62 NATO rounds.

10mm? Just no as well.... everyone here has a .45

For food, a .22 takes deer on down quite easily, since here shooting a deer involves popping it off your back porch at 20 feet...

Shotgun, something in the Mossburg 500, for instance, is needed too.

No real need for anything else.

Fun fact, a 308 will fire from an 06. Albeit at a cost to longer range accuracy.

I mentioned 10mm as a personal preference. I understand it will be only as viable as the 4 pr 500 rounds I'd bring with me, hence the mandatory 9mm. Which statically I believe is more prevalent than 45 pretty much nation wide(police/military issue as well as more common defensive round).

The shtf scenario is gona be like dealing with family members in a will when someone dies,you will see the best and worst in everyone. Let's just say,if I get family knocking on my door for food,they are gonna go hungry,or be dinner....the end.