Is Trump a Fascist? If Hitler was a modern day American? How would he vote?

we already have the government managing and regulating literally every aspect of everyday life it doesn't matter if Trump is fascist, he's just a figurehead

the system is totalitarian

a reply to: toysforadults

Hopefully Trump can fix it, or maybe Pence convert it to a theocratic state.

a reply to: Breakthestreak

Would you go as far (as I would) to say that Antifa is actually a very pro-fascism group?

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Theocracy4America
a reply to: ScepticScot

Actually socialism is inherently left wing, and government gaining more power over day to day lives is too. At least by the standard technical definition of right-left wing paradigm. These two things put it toward left left. Nazi ideology is left wing. For a majority of the population, excluding those attacked by the Nazis, Guns were restricted heavily. It was the production by America of the Liberator, a cheep gun, that introduced more guns into Germany. Smoking was actually considered "damage to state property" as you were under his the Reich. And read Hitlers own book in regards to early opinions of Jews, which he wanted to help before taking a sharp Left turn.

Do you think the Democratic Peoples Republic of Korea is democratic? The Nazi party was right wing, they were supported by right wing conservatives and were opposed by left wing parties. These are historical facts.

Gun laws where relaxed for the majority of the population. Again historical fact.

Smoking was not illegal (many senior Nazis smoked). You are simply wrong.

You are obviously entitled to your own opinions. You are not however entitled to your own facts.

Sorta right, but not really.

The Nazi Party was Socialist.

Their opposing faction was Communist.

So in American political terms now, it was the Establishment Democratic Party facing off against the Democratic Socialists in the party.

Socialism fighting Communism doesn't have much of a Conservative element there.... LOL

He 100% vote Democrat.

-Race based and segregationist policies.

-Complete control over education and media.

-Virulent and rampant anti-Semitism and Jew hatred.

-Eugenics programs aimed at and focused on minority groups and controlling their population vis a vis abortion.

Oh yeah baby, Adolf Hitler would not only vote for the Democrats he'd probably be the leader of the Party and run for President.

I read the first half of Mein Kampf. It was pretty good compared to what I had expected. There was a logic to it. You could see how he arrived at his outlook.

That said, the Nazi idea was a product of it's time. The Wiemar Republic simply doesn't exist today, at least not in the US. There might be a few parallels but we just don't have the same history. There are no real monarchies and no real bolshevik revolution breathing down our neck. Not like the Russian revolution.

Some people seem to want to relive WWII today. Doesn't make sense in today's world. All of this Hitler stuff is just hysterics and sick fantasy. No one is planning to gas any Jews. It's all a product of the media and Hollywood. Who even knows why they promote this crap? The sooner this entire Nazi holocaust binge is over, the better off we'll all be. It only causes resentment and there is hardly anything that exists that's more divisive than this.

originally posted by: Lumenari

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Theocracy4America
a reply to: ScepticScot

Actually socialism is inherently left wing, and government gaining more power over day to day lives is too. At least by the standard technical definition of right-left wing paradigm. These two things put it toward left left. Nazi ideology is left wing. For a majority of the population, excluding those attacked by the Nazis, Guns were restricted heavily. It was the production by America of the Liberator, a cheep gun, that introduced more guns into Germany. Smoking was actually considered "damage to state property" as you were under his the Reich. And read Hitlers own book in regards to early opinions of Jews, which he wanted to help before taking a sharp Left turn.

Do you think the Democratic Peoples Republic of Korea is democratic? The Nazi party was right wing, they were supported by right wing conservatives and were opposed by left wing parties. These are historical facts.

Gun laws where relaxed for the majority of the population. Again historical fact.

Smoking was not illegal (many senior Nazis smoked). You are simply wrong.

You are obviously entitled to your own opinions. You are not however entitled to your own facts.

Sorta right, but not really.

The Nazi Party was Socialist.

Their opposing faction was Communist.

So in American political terms now, it was the Establishment Democratic Party facing off against the Democratic Socialists in the party.

Socialism fighting Communism doesn't have much of a Conservative element there.... LOL

Just because they had socialist in their name doesn't actually make them socialist.

Support for the Nazi party came from right wing conservative groups. Opposition was from left wing groups, social democrats and communists.

Any actual left wing elements on the Nasi party where marginalized and eventually purged under Hitlers leadership.

originally posted by: Theocracy4America

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Theocracy4America
a reply to: ScepticScot

I meant he started in politics intending to help them after a trip to Italy where he seen them being mistreated. He took a left turn and did not help them.

Total unsupportable nonsense.

OK... I've just recommended two books which detail many of the facts I've mentioned. I can recommend more on the subject if you wish. My family comes from a country which was under Hitlers occupation at one point, I'm pretty sure I know what I am talking about, and can see when it's been happening elsewhere. Specifically which facts to you need references and sources for?

Because your family comes from a country that was once under Hitters occupation you know what you are talking about? Really?

The only real documented source on Hitlers early views on Jewish people is Hitler himself and he clearly hates them from at least ww1.

None of the facts you have mentioned yet have actually been facts.

a reply to: Theocracy4America

The roots of Hitler's anti-Semitism can be traced back to his days in Vienna where he moved in February 1908.
He ended up dossing on park benches and eking out a living trying to sell postcards and doing occasional labouring jobs.

Fleeing military service in Austria he moved to Munich in May 1913 where his anti-Semitism became more and more pronounced and evident.

The Nazi's use of the word Socialist was a clever ploy aimed at attracting disillusioned and disenfranchised Germans in an incredibly fractured post-WWI Germany.
There were literally hundreds of small extremist groups of all political persuasions at the time.
Hitler's first visit to a party meeting was a spying mission yet he ended up debating issues with the speaker of the meeting and impressed the leader of the party Anton Drexler so much that he was invited back.

The rest as they say is history.

The Nazi Party - 'Nazi' was a derogatory term that Nazi's themselves never used - was always an extreme Nationalist Party with authoritarian and totalitarian policies.

I understand the comparison with Communists but Hitler himself and all of his own inner circle despised anyone with 'leftist' tendencies.
In the early days of the Nazi Party it was common for its members to engage in brutal attacks on Communists, Socialists etc....later on they were amongst the first sent to the camps.

Post-WWI gun control laws in Germany were very strict and very few people were permitted to own guns.
The Nazi Party did loosen these laws for some but Jews and other 'undesirables' were strictly forbidden from owning or possessing any firearms.

As for smoking - Hitler disliked it yet Goering and Bormann and many other senior Nazi's smoked.
Hitler encouraged people to stop - I think that was more of a personal thing and not something he forcibly imposed on anyone.

Hitler's vision for the future has far more similarities to the EU than it does the UN at present.....but I guess that's more of a personal opinion than an undeniable fact.

To liken modern day USA to Nazi Germany is just sensationalist nonsense.

Haha just because they have socialist in their name doesn't mean they are socialist. I'm sorry what?

Just because Hitlers policies are closer towards what the left are preaching you seem to be getting salty about it. You can't run from the truth.

a reply to: Theocracy4America

Nazi ideology is left wing.

Really ?

Hitler regarded Communists, Socialists and Trade Unions as enemies of The German Reich.

Thousands of members of those organisations where murdered or sent to concentration camps.

So how do you make out Hitler was left wing ?

originally posted by: justneo
Haha just because they have socialist in their name doesn't mean they are socialist. I'm sorry what?

Just because Hitlers policies are closer towards what the left are preaching you seem to be getting salty about it. You can't run from the truth.

Again is the Democratic People's Republic of Korea democratic?

They where a right wing party supported by other right wing parties and opposed by left wing ones.

This is true both domestically and internationally. ( see spanish civil war).

He wasn't left wing but he was socialist to some degree. I guess political and economics had a different relationship then compared to today. Today we have the cultural Marxism. Hitler was against that. He did have a system of govt subsidies to get the people of Germany back on their feet. Govt involvement in many areas as opposed to hands off capitalism.

He says he developed his anti Semitic attitudes shortly after completing school. I think he really intensified his dislike of Jews after WWI since he blamed them for Germany losing the war.

He did not seek to round up Jews at first. After they were removed from their positions in society, the plan was to deport them. He formed a company to facilitate their move to Israel, not out of the goodness of his heart but to get them out of Germany and also to counter the Jewish boycott of German goods. So in this respect, he did make a deal with the Zionists. After the war started this fell apart.

Nazis were a right wing authoritarian Nationalist Party - in the early days they had a few socialist policies but Hitler had socialists, communists, unionists killed and sent to Dascau concenration camp. Socialism was made illegal in Nazi germany.

Have the people claiming they're socialist never heard the poem

"First they came for the Socialists..." ?

a reply to: bastion

That's all propaganda. Like how the terrorist network Antifa claims to be Anti-fascist, while supporting progressive fascism.

Hitler would vote for whichever party had more government control. Especially gun control. If you think Hitler would vote for anyone that supported the 2nd Amendment for the populace to have firearms you are a complete idiot.

a reply to: jjkenobi

Thank you. In the current climate, that would be the same party who created laws and started orginazations in America which set precedent for the Nazi founders. The Democrat party. Not defending Republicans either though, later many of them would work with Nazis.

originally posted by: Breakthestreak

“Forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism”

“Think how we think or we’ll attack you” the very definition of fascism.

The very mantra of the ‘left’ today. “Forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism”.

It does not help any side I agree 100% and I am sure there are many examples that can be googled (other engines available) of both sides doing it

but From the Man in charge himself

"I'd like to punch him in the face," Trump said, remarking that a man disrupting his rally,

I am sure the guy was being equally obtuse but to be the leading candidate to be president, it does not suggest he will bring unity

again not helping himself with his words or lack of researching

"It is better to live one day as a lion than 100 years as a sheep."

to quote from a documented facist is surely a faux pas?, ALL (left vs right, UK vs US)politicians are clueless as to how we all have to live, but please can they try and unify as opposed to divide

We have equal dumbasses on both sides over here, in fact i struggle to count on 1 hand any which have anything in common with us

So is Trump a fascist, he seems to suggest/put on act from these 2 examples (and only 2 I am suggesting), do I care, NO, to me as I have said before he is just another politician, which is something he always said he would not be

a reply to: UpIsNowDown

Fascism is an economic system of government controlling business though regulation or direct take over.

a reply to: Theocracy4America

Thanks man, I myself did not put forward any definition I responded to Breakthestreak interpretation of it

“Think how we think or we’ll attack you” the very definition of fascism. "