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originally posted by: Raggedyman
Doesn’t seem like you understand the term free will
You seem confused, if God manipulates down to the atoms that doesn’t interfere with will.
originally posted by: Blue Shift
originally posted by: chr0naut
God spelled backwards is dog. Do you see significance in that or is it just an accident of language?
If I was praying to a Dog-God (like Anubis), then it might not be such an accident. Since we're talking about a context of prayers and gods, Amen = Amen-Ra is not nearly the stretch you indicate.
originally posted by: Blue Shift
originally posted by: Raggedyman
Doesn’t seem like you understand the term free will
You seem confused, if God manipulates down to the atoms that doesn’t interfere with will.
I'm the one confused?
originally posted by: chr0naut
originally posted by: TzarChasm
originally posted by: Raggedyman
a reply to: TzarChasm
You want the power to vote the god you want into power
That’s funny, you want to decide who is in charge like you are the all powerful
I got a feeling philosophy isn’t on your agenda
I have a feeling you blame God when things don’t go your way, funny atheist
Anyway, voting for a god of your choice is irrelevant to free will, I don’t think you have thought this through.
Free will is not voting on who God is anymore than voting who the president is
Why shouldn't god be treated like a public servant instead of a dictator? Speaking as an American, we have a history of dealing with people like that. If you want to own people and control their fate, you are a menace to free will on general principle.
You are confusing consequence with choice.
Throughout the Bible people are presented with and make choices, good or bad, and those choices have consequences.
God gave Himself up to be tortured to death so that we could have a choice that for us does not have dire consequences.
We have freedom to choose how we live and relate. That has never been removed as an option for any of us.
If God had wanted us to always do what He wants, He would have the power and capability to enforce it, absolutely.
As it is, we all have freedom to choose as we will, not as God wills. This doesn't remove the consequences of the choice/s but there it is.
Please consider the choices you have made and ask yourself honestly if you are happy that those choices are ultimately the best for you. At any stage God has granted that you can receive absolution from the consequences of bad or ill-considered choices.
God has never removed his offering to you of relationship with Him and the good things that brings.
Of course, it probably means that you have to intend behavioral change within yourself if your decision to choose Him is genuine.
If God had wanted us to always do what He wants, He would have the power and capability to enforce it, absolutely.
originally posted by: chr0naut
originally posted by: TzarChasm
originally posted by: Raggedyman
a reply to: TzarChasm
You want the power to vote the god you want into power
That’s funny, you want to decide who is in charge like you are the all powerful
I got a feeling philosophy isn’t on your agenda
I have a feeling you blame God when things don’t go your way, funny atheist
Anyway, voting for a god of your choice is irrelevant to free will, I don’t think you have thought this through.
Free will is not voting on who God is anymore than voting who the president is
Why shouldn't god be treated like a public servant instead of a dictator? Speaking as an American, we have a history of dealing with people like that. If you want to own people and control their fate, you are a menace to free will on general principle.
Americans may believe they have a history of "dealing with people like that".
In truth, the vast majority of 20th Century dictators have been supported by American money or have been directly placed in power by US agency.
originally posted by: Raggedyman
a reply to: TzarChasm
Threatening me with a God you don’t believe in, really
Think about that for a second
And no it’s not a possibility, to me that’s ridiculous, you don’t seem to have the ability to think
Sadly TC you have no concept of love
But on the upside, come judgement day I believe, you will suffer for your sins and then just be nothing, burnt away as chaff, become as nothing, a memory in Gods mind
Isn’t that what you want anyway, isn’t that Nirvana
originally posted by: TzarChasm
originally posted by: Raggedyman
a reply to: TzarChasm
Threatening me with a God you don’t believe in, really
Think about that for a second
And no it’s not a possibility, to me that’s ridiculous, you don’t seem to have the ability to think
Sadly TC you have no concept of love
But on the upside, come judgement day I believe, you will suffer for your sins and then just be nothing, burnt away as chaff, become as nothing, a memory in Gods mind
Isn’t that what you want anyway, isn’t that Nirvana
You're really just proving to me that your sense of justice is vindictive and spiteful. Probably because of God being a hateful and violent dictator. You need to read Corinthians again and figure out how to be a truly loving and genuine follower of Jesus. I'm not even religious and I know that stuff.
originally posted by: Raggedyman
originally posted by: TzarChasm
originally posted by: Raggedyman
a reply to: TzarChasm
Threatening me with a God you don’t believe in, really
Think about that for a second
And no it’s not a possibility, to me that’s ridiculous, you don’t seem to have the ability to think
Sadly TC you have no concept of love
But on the upside, come judgement day I believe, you will suffer for your sins and then just be nothing, burnt away as chaff, become as nothing, a memory in Gods mind
Isn’t that what you want anyway, isn’t that Nirvana
You're really just proving to me that your sense of justice is vindictive and spiteful. Probably because of God being a hateful and violent dictator. You need to read Corinthians again and figure out how to be a truly loving and genuine follower of Jesus. I'm not even religious and I know that stuff.
Nothing personal but it’s hardly relevant what you think, who are you, an internet hero?
You are the one demanding you dictate at God, a God you don’t believe in
Yeah anyway, my sense of justice is vindictive and spiteful. I bet yours is loving and embracing, feeding isis and terrorists guns and money, giving them a helping hand. Bet you would have supported the oppressors in WW2 or maybe Stalin and Mao after that. I bet you just want to snuggle up with those poor dictators and hug it out
Corinthians, you sure don’t know your stuff, you haven’t a clue
You will get your nirvana
originally posted by: TzarChasm
originally posted by: chr0naut
originally posted by: TzarChasm
originally posted by: Raggedyman
a reply to: TzarChasm
You want the power to vote the god you want into power
That’s funny, you want to decide who is in charge like you are the all powerful
I got a feeling philosophy isn’t on your agenda
I have a feeling you blame God when things don’t go your way, funny atheist
Anyway, voting for a god of your choice is irrelevant to free will, I don’t think you have thought this through.
Free will is not voting on who God is anymore than voting who the president is
Why shouldn't god be treated like a public servant instead of a dictator? Speaking as an American, we have a history of dealing with people like that. If you want to own people and control their fate, you are a menace to free will on general principle.
You are confusing consequence with choice.
Throughout the Bible people are presented with and make choices, good or bad, and those choices have consequences.
God gave Himself up to be tortured to death so that we could have a choice that for us does not have dire consequences.
We have freedom to choose how we live and relate. That has never been removed as an option for any of us.
If God had wanted us to always do what He wants, He would have the power and capability to enforce it, absolutely.
As it is, we all have freedom to choose as we will, not as God wills. This doesn't remove the consequences of the choice/s but there it is.
Please consider the choices you have made and ask yourself honestly if you are happy that those choices are ultimately the best for you. At any stage God has granted that you can receive absolution from the consequences of bad or ill-considered choices.
God has never removed his offering to you of relationship with Him and the good things that brings.
Of course, it probably means that you have to intend behavioral change within yourself if your decision to choose Him is genuine.
You deflected all of my points and just rephrased the other guy raggedyman who also deflected all of my points. Nothing you said actually disproved my logic. If anything, this part backs me up completely:
If God had wanted us to always do what He wants, He would have the power and capability to enforce it, absolutely.
Then God is a problem.
originally posted by: chr0naut
originally posted by: TzarChasm
originally posted by: Raggedyman
a reply to: TzarChasm
You want the power to vote the god you want into power
That’s funny, you want to decide who is in charge like you are the all powerful
I got a feeling philosophy isn’t on your agenda
I have a feeling you blame God when things don’t go your way, funny atheist
Anyway, voting for a god of your choice is irrelevant to free will, I don’t think you have thought this through.
Free will is not voting on who God is anymore than voting who the president is
Why shouldn't god be treated like a public servant instead of a dictator? Speaking as an American, we have a history of dealing with people like that. If you want to own people and control their fate, you are a menace to free will on general principle.
Americans may believe they have a history of "dealing with people like that".
In truth, the vast majority of 20th Century dictators have been supported by American money or have been directly placed in power by US agency.
I'm talking about we the people and our philosophy about civil rights and fascist dictatorships that own people instead of respecting them. More than one tyrant has been taught a lesson courtesy of allied forces. I don't remember reading about the great election where we decided who gets to preside over the divine court of human afterlives and how much power this god person has over the fabric of reality. Dont tell me that's not a violation of our rights.
originally posted by: TzarChasm
originally posted by: Raggedyman
originally posted by: TzarChasm
originally posted by: Raggedyman
a reply to: TzarChasm
Threatening me with a God you don’t believe in, really
Think about that for a second
And no it’s not a possibility, to me that’s ridiculous, you don’t seem to have the ability to think
Sadly TC you have no concept of love
But on the upside, come judgement day I believe, you will suffer for your sins and then just be nothing, burnt away as chaff, become as nothing, a memory in Gods mind
Isn’t that what you want anyway, isn’t that Nirvana
You're really just proving to me that your sense of justice is vindictive and spiteful. Probably because of God being a hateful and violent dictator. You need to read Corinthians again and figure out how to be a truly loving and genuine follower of Jesus. I'm not even religious and I know that stuff.
Nothing personal but it’s hardly relevant what you think, who are you, an internet hero?
You are the one demanding you dictate at God, a God you don’t believe in
Yeah anyway, my sense of justice is vindictive and spiteful. I bet yours is loving and embracing, feeding isis and terrorists guns and money, giving them a helping hand. Bet you would have supported the oppressors in WW2 or maybe Stalin and Mao after that. I bet you just want to snuggle up with those poor dictators and hug it out
Corinthians, you sure don’t know your stuff, you haven’t a clue
You will get your nirvana
And you continue to make my case for me, illustrating my points and all.
originally posted by: Raggedyman
originally posted by: TzarChasm
originally posted by: Raggedyman
originally posted by: TzarChasm
originally posted by: Raggedyman
a reply to: TzarChasm
Threatening me with a God you don’t believe in, really
Think about that for a second
And no it’s not a possibility, to me that’s ridiculous, you don’t seem to have the ability to think
Sadly TC you have no concept of love
But on the upside, come judgement day I believe, you will suffer for your sins and then just be nothing, burnt away as chaff, become as nothing, a memory in Gods mind
Isn’t that what you want anyway, isn’t that Nirvana
You're really just proving to me that your sense of justice is vindictive and spiteful. Probably because of God being a hateful and violent dictator. You need to read Corinthians again and figure out how to be a truly loving and genuine follower of Jesus. I'm not even religious and I know that stuff.
Nothing personal but it’s hardly relevant what you think, who are you, an internet hero?
You are the one demanding you dictate at God, a God you don’t believe in
Yeah anyway, my sense of justice is vindictive and spiteful. I bet yours is loving and embracing, feeding isis and terrorists guns and money, giving them a helping hand. Bet you would have supported the oppressors in WW2 or maybe Stalin and Mao after that. I bet you just want to snuggle up with those poor dictators and hug it out
Corinthians, you sure don’t know your stuff, you haven’t a clue
You will get your nirvana
And you continue to make my case for me, illustrating my points and all.
Well it’s fortunate I have because I haven’t seen you make one relevant or intelligent statement yet
Just complaining because God doesn’t serve you
originally posted by: FlyInTheOintment
a reply to: Sheye
I echo your sentiment. 'Help us to not fall into temptation' may be a more correct version also, but that's for others to argue & determine. My two cents, as yours.
originally posted by: TzarChasm
originally posted by: Raggedyman
originally posted by: TzarChasm
originally posted by: Raggedyman
originally posted by: TzarChasm
originally posted by: Raggedyman
a reply to: TzarChasm
Threatening me with a God you don’t believe in, really
Think about that for a second
And no it’s not a possibility, to me that’s ridiculous, you don’t seem to have the ability to think
Sadly TC you have no concept of love
But on the upside, come judgement day I believe, you will suffer for your sins and then just be nothing, burnt away as chaff, become as nothing, a memory in Gods mind
Isn’t that what you want anyway, isn’t that Nirvana
You're really just proving to me that your sense of justice is vindictive and spiteful. Probably because of God being a hateful and violent dictator. You need to read Corinthians again and figure out how to be a truly loving and genuine follower of Jesus. I'm not even religious and I know that stuff.
Nothing personal but it’s hardly relevant what you think, who are you, an internet hero?
You are the one demanding you dictate at God, a God you don’t believe in
Yeah anyway, my sense of justice is vindictive and spiteful. I bet yours is loving and embracing, feeding isis and terrorists guns and money, giving them a helping hand. Bet you would have supported the oppressors in WW2 or maybe Stalin and Mao after that. I bet you just want to snuggle up with those poor dictators and hug it out
Corinthians, you sure don’t know your stuff, you haven’t a clue
You will get your nirvana
And you continue to make my case for me, illustrating my points and all.
Well it’s fortunate I have because I haven’t seen you make one relevant or intelligent statement yet
Just complaining because God doesn’t serve you
God should serve the people just as any honest leader would. Not own us like property.
originally posted by: TzarChasm
a reply to: chr0naut
I'm not saying America is perfect, my point is that a theocratic dictatorship is not okay and we have been part of that conflict in recent history. That's why most of the modern world keeps government and religion apart. Because divine authority infringes on civil rights all across the globe.
originally posted by: TzarChasm
originally posted by: Raggedyman
originally posted by: TzarChasm
originally posted by: Raggedyman
originally posted by: TzarChasm
originally posted by: Raggedyman
a reply to: TzarChasm
Threatening me with a God you don’t believe in, really
Think about that for a second
And no it’s not a possibility, to me that’s ridiculous, you don’t seem to have the ability to think
Sadly TC you have no concept of love
But on the upside, come judgement day I believe, you will suffer for your sins and then just be nothing, burnt away as chaff, become as nothing, a memory in Gods mind
Isn’t that what you want anyway, isn’t that Nirvana
You're really just proving to me that your sense of justice is vindictive and spiteful. Probably because of God being a hateful and violent dictator. You need to read Corinthians again and figure out how to be a truly loving and genuine follower of Jesus. I'm not even religious and I know that stuff.
Nothing personal but it’s hardly relevant what you think, who are you, an internet hero?
You are the one demanding you dictate at God, a God you don’t believe in
Yeah anyway, my sense of justice is vindictive and spiteful. I bet yours is loving and embracing, feeding isis and terrorists guns and money, giving them a helping hand. Bet you would have supported the oppressors in WW2 or maybe Stalin and Mao after that. I bet you just want to snuggle up with those poor dictators and hug it out
Corinthians, you sure don’t know your stuff, you haven’t a clue
You will get your nirvana
And you continue to make my case for me, illustrating my points and all.
Well it’s fortunate I have because I haven’t seen you make one relevant or intelligent statement yet
Just complaining because God doesn’t serve you
God should serve the people just as any honest leader would. Not own us like property.