Jury recommends life in prison for man who rammed crowd

a reply to: toms54

Definitely not a nice guy, I think most of us know what we would like to do to NAZI's.

originally posted by: LABTECH767
a reply to: toms54

Definitely not a nice guy, I think most of us know what we would like to do to NAZI's.

Perhaps. Do you really think he deserves a sentence more severe than Charles Manson?

a reply to: toms54

To be fair it's a miracle Manson served any time for the Tate-LaBianca murders as he didn't actually kill anyone.

a reply to: Xcalibur254

So the answer is yes?

originally posted by: SituationNAFU
Adios! Amoeba

Intentionally ramming your car into a crowd of people is an act of terrorism not much different than the mall and school shooters running around. He should have offed himself to complete the sequence.

a reply to: toms54

Yes and no. From a legal standpoint, yes. Fields actually killed a person. Manson did not. From a personal standpoint I think they should both have the same sentence as they both clearly have the same disregard for human life.

Incredibly there's dozens of videos showing bit and pieces of the accident - though not one showed the entire thing.
State police may have had video of the whole thing but their chopper crashed killing 2 state troopers.
Another oddity - there was no big funeral for them.
Nobody calls them "heroes' or even knows their names.
Yet everyone knows the name Heather Heyer.
I'm convinced the whole thing was a deep state event starting with Cantwell who was an Obama supporter just one year prior.

When you look at where the protest happened and where some groups (III%ers) were parked it makes zero sense. There was one group of them parked right next to the projects 5 blocks south and several East of of Lee park. It was to so "show support" for their brothers and sisters there the fateful march began. Why didn't they just go home after the UTR had broken up? The left did not have a permit to organize a march anywhere - again this shows the bias in the local officials who allow one side freedom and the other none. There was no police presence either at the time of the attack or before.

My interest comes from knowing Charlottesville, I've walked all those streets many times.
I also know Virginia politics and what a bunch of suck-ups McAuliffe, Kaine and Warner truly are.

I know more than I can write about here but more research is required to make it presentable to others in any sensible form. I have no dog in this fight and don't find Nazis any worse than Bolsheviks - both are off the scale of human in my book. I just want the truth and firmly believe we still don't have it.

a reply to: Asktheanimals

We mostly do have the truth. There are so many versions of it that our task now is to determine the most accurate.

That's just not going to happen in Charlottesville. I think there will be an appeal or retrial just on the basis there should have been a change of venue.

I personally believe the sentence recommendation is excessive. We'll see what happens on March 29 with the final sentence.

a reply to: amazing

Sure, maybe 10,000 in the entire country. The media would have you believe they are on every street corner and gas station.

a reply to: PurpleFox

A single terror attack committed by a handful of Muslims gave us the Patriot Act, the War on Terror, and a stigma against Muslims that continues to this day.

Last year far Right extremists (primarily neo-Nazis) committed more terror attacks than any other extremists. That's not even counting Atomwaffen's plans to blow up a nuclear power plant in Florida or the attempted train hijacking.

Just because the number of neo-Nazis may be relatively few doesn't mean they're not dangerous.

originally posted by: PurpleFox
a reply to: amazing

Sure, maybe 10,000 in the entire country. The media would have you believe they are on every street corner and gas station.

There are enough that the FBI has a special task force keeping track on far right domestic terrorist groups.

archives.fbi.gov...

a reply to: Asktheanimals

It's kind of amazing. When the event occurred the Fields supporters were very adamant to make sure everyone knew the officers that died were nowhere near downtown. Which actually is true.

Now. A year later. Those same supporters are trying to turn those officers' deaths into evidence for conspiracy against Fields.

It's also kind of amazing how many people are using arguments and conspiracies that originated on sites like Stromfront but supposedly aren't neo-Nazis.

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: Asktheanimals

It's also kind of amazing how many people are using arguments and conspiracies that originated on sites like Stromfront but supposedly aren't neo-Nazis.

I don't think there's any evidence of that in this thread. But then I don't read Stormfront. Do you?

originally posted by: Mandroid7
a reply to: amazing

Research what? The media?

Wait, not the nazi from the charlottsville thing sporting black leather police gloves, a police haircut and moustache and a new jacket with new nazi patches all over it is it?

You might find 3 in the entire country, located in one trailer park.

I'm all over this country and never met one.

I'd bet a g on the one's you are seeing are shilling for the left, trying to invent the "alt right"

I didn't vet this list but I have heard of most of them. All Real organizations with real people in them.

North America
American Nazi Party – United States
Aryan Brotherhood of Texas – United States
Aryan Brotherhood - United States
Aryan Guard – Canada
Aryan Nations – United States and Canada
Atomwaffen Division - United States
Christian Identity - United States
The Daily Stormer - United States
Hammerskins – United States and Canada
Heritage Front – Canada
Identity Evropa - United States
National Alliance – United States
National Socialist Movement – United States
National Socialist Vanguard – United States
National Vanguard – United States
Nationalist Front – United States
NSDAP/AO – United States
Odinia International - United States
Renegade Tribune - United States
The Right Stuff - United States
Nationalist Front of Mexico[1] – Mexico
Traditionalist Worker Party – United States
Vanguard America – United States
White Aryan Resistance – United States

originally posted by: PurpleFox
a reply to: amazing

Sure, maybe 10,000 in the entire country. The media would have you believe they are on every street corner and gas station.

And the same thing with Antifa. There are maybe 12 college guys.

Now take this with a grain of salt since it's from Vox but ...

But new research from the University of Alabama’s George Hawley, published by UVA’s Institute for Family Studies, suggests this isn’t the case. According to Hawley, a political scientist who specializes in demography and the far right, roughly 5.64 percent of America’s 198 million non-Hispanic whites have beliefs consistent with the alt-right’s worldview. Whether or not they would describe themselves as alt-right, Hawley argues, they share the movement’s belief in a politics that promotes white interests above those of other racial groups.

If Hawley is right, then the alt-right’s constituency isn’t a tiny fringe. It’s about 11 million Americans.

originally posted by: Mandroid7
This whole situation is fishy.

The video looked like he was panicking and floored it when his car was being struck by people.

...and the vid someone pulled that showed a bunch of weird behaviors that looked organized and choreographed.

Now he's a nazi-hitler person?

They aren't even real people outside the media.

Well, you know, he was looking up how to kill people with his car a couple days before the rally, you know, like someone totally innocent and non pre-meditatively might do on a lark.


Really could have been any one of us!

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: Asktheanimals

It's kind of amazing. When the event occurred the Fields supporters were very adamant to make sure everyone knew the officers that died were nowhere near downtown. Which actually is true.

Now. A year later. Those same supporters are trying to turn those officers' deaths into evidence for conspiracy against Fields.

It's also kind of amazing how many people are using arguments and conspiracies that originated on sites like Stromfront but supposedly aren't neo-Nazis.

Clearly you just don't understand that just because people affiliate with Nazi's, or defend Nazi's, or believe in the same thing as Nazi's, or maybe even commit a few innocent hate crimes against jews/minorities/etc that it doesn't make them a Nazi. isn't the 21st century grand!?

a reply to: Xcalibur254

Nazi is a 4 letter word too. What makes one a Fields "supporter"? Wanting a fair trial? Questioning the media's spin? You do a fine job of dancing around insinuations. I really can't think of any worse insult than calling someone a Nazi sympathizer.

So I'm a stormfahrter?
Really?

a reply to: amazing

None of those are real. It's just a conspiracy theory.

originally posted by: Wayfarer

originally posted by: Mandroid7
This whole situation is fishy.

The video looked like he was panicking and floored it when his car was being struck by people.

...and the vid someone pulled that showed a bunch of weird behaviors that looked organized and choreographed.

Now he's a nazi-hitler person?

They aren't even real people outside the media.

Well, you know, he was looking up how to kill people with his car a couple days before the rally, you know, like someone totally innocent and non pre-meditatively might do on a lark.


Really could have been any one of us!

First time I've heard that one. Where did you read it? The antifa website?