The fact that women use make-up

originally posted by: Sheye
a reply to: IlluminatiTechnician

So basically you are saying men have no back bone in regards to female seduction. 🙄

Adam perhaps had as much desire as Eve to be like God ?

By the way, I know a few strong men who can see right through a women’s seductive charms and never fall for their mind games.

Read again. I said "Most" men. I myself, don't fall for your charms.

originally posted by: IlluminatiTechnician

originally posted by: Sheye
a reply to: IlluminatiTechnician

So basically you are saying men have no back bone in regards to female seduction. 🙄

Adam perhaps had as much desire as Eve to be like God ?

By the way, I know a few strong men who can see right through a women’s seductive charms and never fall for their mind games.

Read again. I said "Most" men. I myself, don't fall for your charms.

No worries, I don’t have any desire to seduce or charm.😏
Peace brother ✌🏼

One might say the very first man on earth was stupid enough to listen to that woman... therefore had equal liability in f##ing it up for mankind.

Ooooooh. Nice retort. I like that.

These are so-so examples... celebrities without makeup that's where the disaster

On the flip side men use the promise of wealth to attract women. Men drive sports cars and flash money to attract women.

They do that if they want to attract gold-diggers, women who aren't attracted to them but who will sleep with them because they reckon the men who drive those cars can financially compensate them. You think 2005 Batman begins era Christian Bale or Fight Club-Troy timeline Brad Pitt needed cars to attract women on a genuine level?

Men are much more visual than women.

No, that's just what men have been told since they were little. When you live in a Country where the vast majority of men are obese or seriously overweight with men who are skinny-fat being considered slim, you realize that if you want to get a boyfriend you are (sexually)attracted to, you are either going to either to have like a young Angelina jolie, or you are going to close your eyes, bite your bullet, and sleep with men who don't make you sexually aroused because they are severely unattractive, but hey they have money - at least there's an upside to it.

Now, I went to college outside of the USA, and outside of the Anglo-Saxon sphere. Where I ended up at, the vast majority of the college student body was naturally fit, with the women being pretty, feminine, charming, and slim(most were 4'10'' '+ to 5'9'' weighting no more than 90lbs to 130lbs for the tallest ones with low body fat.

You think these women were dating rich guys? Of course not. They were dating average looking men, and they were very attracted to them. Of course their conventions of what average is were way different than our own lol, with the men being 140-150lbs at 10%body fat and 5'9'', without having to go to a gym or practicing sports, because they didn't eat fast food, and they didn't spend their lives sitting in front of a tv playing call of duty and eating snacks, and because life is expensive there, and video games cost way too much for most guys - what do they do?

They go out, meet lots of girls, develop social skills and voilá. They getting laid like it's the 4th of jully.

Women are as visual as men are. They love physically attractive men and they get aroused and they hook-up with men based on the guy's looks, all the time. You'd just need to visit a nightclub to see that women go home with men who are

A) Their own age and as physically attractive as they are.
B)Average-looking(with their concept of what an average man being completely different from our own concept) and having enough charisma to make the girl laugh, and want to go home with him/meet him another time.

Women are the opposite. They don't care how a guy looks as long as he has a fat bank account.

Again, you guys need to stop looking at the women who get married to obese, elderly, rich men who happen to become the presidents or the ditactors of their respective Countries. Those women are not representives of the vast majority of women.

Most women do care about a man's looks. You think young Jon Bon Jovi would've had a hard time getting laid if he ended up becoming a bartender instead of the forefront of one of the world's most popular bands?

When most men look the humanoid version of Jabba The Hutt women have no other choice but to either end up alone, become lesbians, or end up sleeping with the guys who are rich 'cuz if you are gonna do something that you are going to puke the day after at the thought of the sort of men you slept with - at least you better get paid for it bro lol.

How do women like me fit into the equation? How did we miss the patriarchal programming? Or that competitive streak with other women?

You don't have to worry about that. There's lots of women out there who don't need to use make-up to be attractive to a great many number of attractive men. There were plenty of women in my college classroom who'd wake up at 5 AM(2 years before they'd naturally have to get up for to get ready for college) to spend an immense amount of effort and time on their hair, nails, clothes, make-up, perfume, clothes and such, but there were plenty other women who would just wake up, brush their teeth, take a quick shower and be ready for school.

I met a lot of girls who weren't flashy, didn't wear make-up, didn't wear expensive clothes, and they still got plenty of men after them, although I have a very weak spot for women who are hyper-feminine, you know women who spend hours a day obsessing their looks and attire, there's also many, many guys who don't care about that.

Wrong, Wrong and more wrong. I refuse to talk to or engage in any way with a woman who can't think for herself, or for a better word, lacks "intelligence".

Now, I might be wrong here 'cuz I'm probably dumb, but you kinda took part in engaging her by writing that post and sending it her way. How does she lack ''intelligence''? You're saying that there aren't lots of guys who entice young, sexually attractive women to sleep with them or to enter a romantic relatiosnhip with them by using flashy cars, expensive houses, and stacked bank accounts?

Then how do you explain the fact that the wife of the President is nearly 30 years younger than him, with her being a former super top model and the guy being very sexually unattractive? Or the wife of the President of Brazil? Or the much younger, much more attractive women of rich, old men?

Remember, we are not talking about you. We're talking about the men in general who use wealth and expensive, flashy cars, and any signs of wealth to motivate women who are way out of their league to become their consorts.

Maybe though, I am old school and prefer more conservative women who have more respect for themselves.

You think women who enjoy being attractive and who take pleasure in having men admiring them and wanting to sleep with them and wanting to date them lack respect for themselves ? Why? is your contempt for people who enjoy being sexually attractive restricted to women, or do you also dislike men who wear muscle shirts to show off their shoulders and abs and such?

have you ever been to a Mediterranean Country? The very first day I visited one of their beaches, with my new European friends, my jaw almost went unhinged when I was sitting on the sand talking to my friends and I feel water dropping on top of my head, for me to turn around and to see this statuesque blonde girl, probably of German background wearing a G-string bikini, and completely lacking the top area of it. Literally. Now what really astounded me was that there were lots of families with little children and teenager boys and such, and you'd have these gorgeous and fit women walking around topless in non-nude beaches, and the young men wouldn't even bat an eye.

Why? Because they were used to very attractive women, and they were raised in an enviroment that aknwolddeges that what is beautiful is natural and that there's nothing wrong with stunning women and gorgeous men showing to the world what they have.

Compare that to the Middle-Eastern women I met and dated who were part of Islam and who were raised in traditional cultures, and how they didn't even want to hold hands with me in public in the European Countries I visited and lived in with them, because they could go to jail just for being seen in the company of a man who wasn't married to them/not part of their families. It would be funny if it wasn't so sad.

Also wrong is that men are far more visual than women, which also implies that we drive fancy cars etc...to impress women. Are you on any kind of social media? I ask because Instagram, Snapchat, Tumblr, to name a few out of dozens of ways women nowadays use their looks, bodies, etc... to seek attention.

Yes, men - young men usually - use whatever means they can use to impress and attract women. That is the nature of our mating process as we don't have arranged marriages anymore(thank the heavens for that) and driving a fast car is one of the ways a sexually unattractive man can go about to get an attractive girlfriend. I used to know aguy who was as ugly as sin and he drove a brand new coupe BMW. It wasn't his, as he was only 18 and he couldn't afford one yet, but just driving it was enough for the hottie who became his girlfriend to date him.

I ask because Instagram, Snapchat, Tumblr, to name a few out of dozens of ways women nowadays use their looks, bodies, etc... to seek attention.

And men don't use their looks to get attention? Men don't use their wealth, their cars, their houses, their trips to exotic Countries and expensive clothes and toys to attract the sexual attention of women?

I drive a nice car, not to impress women, because frankly I could care less about showing off or impressing a woman, but rather because its fun. I enjoy the feel of the steering wheel, and the growl of the engine. Im no slouch either nor am I shy(distinguished retired military veteran w/degree), I just don't care to compete in this world where women are "peacocking" on every media outlet they possibly can.

So, you're a retired military veteran. I reckon you have a nice body. And you don't want to compete with other men for women? Why? Are the women you want capable of getting men who are much hotter/richer than you are, or do you have a low sex drive and you get off faster by driving an expensive car rather than sleeping with a young, attractive woman?

forget to mention, you say that make-up enhances the beauty of really attractive women, but you fail to include the rest of the IMHO 90% of women in the world who don't match really attractive. That means the 90% of women who I believe are not among the most pretty, who also use make-up, are trying to make themselves something they are not, which is as you stated, enhanced in the beauty category. That in itself is misleading.

Are you seriously saying 90% of the women who are alive today on planet earth are not physically attractive? Doesn't that mean your standards are so high that you're either going to spend most of your time single, or you are going to have to visit escorts to get laid? Unless you look like a 25 year old Brad Pitt, I'm not discounting that. In that case, yeah, I can see why you'd have such high standards in women.

No, women using make-up is not misleading. Because most men know that women don't naturally look like that. Brazilian waxing, teeth whitening, push-up bras, thongs, dyed blonde hair/blue/orange/tatoos/piercings, bleached anuses, and all of that, and still those men still want those women. Unless you're saying that I'm misleading women by making them think I have the best of teeth, as I brush them and I floss them and I got braces in my teen years and I got my teeth whitened?

LOL.

why are women being blamed for men stupid enough to think women have gold eyelids and bright red lips

god damn who would have guessed ATS would be such a rancid hole of incels?

GUARANTEE every single one of you whanging about barbie sluts and going off about how you prefer the 'natural look'
[brief aside - anyone think it's interesting or telling at all that in this discussion about why women do things, it's the feelings of men that take center stage?]
um anyway you THINK you prefer the natural look but you know NOTHING and if a girl rocked up to a date with you with no makeup on you'd ask her if she's sick. you're conditioned. we're all conditioned. stop thinking you're so far above this because god damn you're gonna make me laugh til i retch.

So after applying my make up this morning I've been accused of being a Tory three times already today.

Gah!

originally posted by: RealityIsAbsurd

One might say the very first man on earth was stupid enough to listen to that woman... therefore had equal liability in f##ing it up for mankind.

Ooooooh. Nice retort. I like that.

You're female aren't you? Of course you would like it. You females collude against us guys all the time. You all hate each other until there's a man in the picture, then you put your differences aside to collectively try to destroy men. Misery loves company.

So there's this rock chick called Marilyn Manson, apparently she looks nothing like she does in all her photos without her make up on...

While the books of Enoch are not cannon, and one is an obvious counterfeit by an ancient flat-earther (contradicting the Bible on the shape of the earth as well as other doctrine), one of the books is acceptable for instruction and quoted by many Biblical figures, including God himself. The book of Enoch describes the creation of Makeup as being from fallen angles or demons, and leading to sinful behaviors.

Azazel taught the men how to make swords, knives, shields and breastplates. He made known to men the metals of the earth and the art of working them and made bracelets, ornaments and the use of antimony (a brittle silvery metal used in alloys), the beautifying of eyelids, all kinds of precious stones and coloring tinctures. There arose much godlessness and the angels committed fornication. Men were led astray and became corrupt in all their ways. Semjaza taught enchantments and root-cuttings. Armaros taught resolving enchantments. Baraqijal taught astrology. Kokabel taught the constellations. Ezeqeel taught the knowledge of the clouds. Araqiel taught the signs of the earth. Shamsial taught the signs of the sun and Sariel the course of the moon. As me n perished they cried and their cries went up to heaven. - Enoch 8: 1-3

originally posted by: continuousThunder
god damn who would have guessed ATS would be such a rancid hole of incels?

GUARANTEE every single one of you whanging about barbie sluts and going off about how you prefer the 'natural look'
[brief aside - anyone think it's interesting or telling at all that in this discussion about why women do things, it's the feelings of men that take center stage?]
um anyway you THINK you prefer the natural look but you know NOTHING and if a girl rocked up to a date with you with no makeup on you'd ask her if she's sick. you're conditioned. we're all conditioned. stop thinking you're so far above this because god damn you're gonna make me laugh til i retch.

My sister from another Mister!
I laughed the whole time reading your post, so spot on!!

you THINK you prefer the natural look

That totally reminded me of visiting an Amish town in Florida. There was a little restaurant, every single woman had a mustache and they all looked very VERY masculine without makeup. Guys that think they prefer the "natural look" might be looking at a woman wearing dozens of products. Just because she doesn't have ruby red lips and dark eyeliner doesn't mean she isn't wearing makeup!

a reply to: gosseyn

Have you seen some of the poor souls in the morning?

Makeups a woman's best friend as many of them will tell you.

Most Woman i know don't even leave the door before applying a healthy amount of such.

It's just how they roll.

a reply to: andy06shake
I love the dramatic makeup, sparkly eye shadow, wings coming out from the eye liner, bubblegum pink lips, the whole deal.
I recognise the effort and time it took to make that beautiful face art, I love it, and compliment naturally when I see beautiful art.

All the moaning that it is fake is silly in my opinion, it's enhancing what a woman looks like naturally with makeup art.
I can't imagine a bleaker world than one where women didn't sparkle themselves.

...I have been in relationships with hippy chicks who didn't wear makeup or shave, I'm easy either way, but I am a sucker for beautiful eye shadow and sparkly girls.

a reply to: TerryDon79

Yes men did use it but the logic is not flawed. Men used it for power and the ancient Egyptians used it to look more like Gods than men. Women in modern eras used it to better position themselves to land a mate that had wealth and were stable providers. The makeup makes them look much different than without.
The opposite is true in the avian world. Male birds are colorful to attract mates while the female is camouflaged to better hide and protect their brood. Interesting thought from the OP though.

originally posted by: mangust69
These

are so-so examples... celebrities without makeup that's where the disaster

This is a pretty good example of the norm. The photos on the right are what men see when we go out looking, or if ever approached and of course they are beautiful at the time, with all the deceptive makeup on. They will also wear it every time they see you so you won't know the truth. When you finally get into an actual relationship, it starts to become less and less. Here's the catch, once they rope you in with all these lies and you get married....the make up is gone entirely, they dress like garbage, and become domesticated as house cats. They will then only wear make up when they go out (to look good for other men) and to make you jealous. That is most women..not all, but most.

No one can say it doesn't happen either. I would find it hard to believe that out of my entire life, all relationships and having heard the many stories by other men...that my situation is just a "one off". Every guy who has ever had a longer relationship knows that this is the case. Once they have you on lock, they stop trying...except to gain the adulation of other men. Stay away from women, they will just start out pretty, end up looking wasted, and then when they notice that YOU notice...they will pop out a kid and sue you for child support, while they end up with no legal responsibilities whatsoever. They always win in the end because the the feminists cults and broken @ssed Government favors them. It's better to just stay away from them....almost all women are nothing but trouble. Every major issue I have had in my 45 years of living, have all been instigated by a woman in some way....and they laugh about it behind your back with each other.

a reply to: IlluminatiTechnician

I’m sorry you feel so hard done by in regards to your relationships with women.

Probably best for you to stay away.

originally posted by: CornishCeltGuy
a reply to: andy06shake
I love the dramatic makeup, sparkly eye shadow, wings coming out from the eye liner, bubblegum pink lips, the whole deal.
I recognise the effort and time it took to make that beautiful face art, I love it, and compliment naturally when I see beautiful art.

All the moaning that it is fake is silly in my opinion, it's enhancing what a woman looks like naturally with makeup art.
I can't imagine a bleaker world than one where women didn't sparkle themselves.

...I have been in relationships with hippy chicks who didn't wear makeup or shave, I'm easy either way, but I am a sucker for beautiful eye shadow and sparkly girls.

The problem is, that women wearing makeup know that they are covering flaws. Flaws that men have to show off every day. Yes, there are Trans and cross dressers and all that, so I know men "can" wear makeup, but it's not the norm and you certainly are not going to get la!d by any allegedly hot females. So women wear makeup to cover their flaws to trick men into believing that they're perfect, while men wear nothing thus showing all of our flaws. The problem arises when the myriad of women out there who wear makeup, try to play with men's affections and sometimes they are just downright rude....calling men ugly and trying to break us down, all while they wear a lie on their face.

Unfortunately, there are men like you out there who obviously haven't dealt with the ego driven lie machines in a negative way yet. If so, you certainly aren't getting the point...the point being, that were they to remove their makeup, they may be more humble because right away, if all women removed their makeup, 3/4 of them would be just like us men. They would find it hard to have an ego, they would have to "settle" sometimes, and those women who have all the natural beauty would be raking in all the men and those 3/4 normal looking women, would have to compete with each other using only their character and wit, just like we men have to. Essentially, they would have to work for it, therefore appreciating what they have more. Not just stand there and get showered with affections and sometimes even money, and having to do absolutely nothing. It would put them on an equal level with men, and remove this false, unwarranted ego that they all have.

You said they look like art and you compliment them all the time. Well, you're not the only one. Almost all men do, so when they have their makeup on, the real woman is hidden underneath that mask, and the ego takes control and they think they're better than men, when it's the makeup itself that is being complimented. Remember, we men have to suffer trying to impress women, and jumping through hoops to compete for one woman, and we totally regret it usually, when that makeup comes off. It's a lie, it's not art. Art belongs in a museum and shouldn't be touched. Perhaps we can legally make women with makeup art pieces and do the same with them. They're cheaters and take credit for paint on their face...not their real faces. When they don't wear makeup, the ego is no longer there. They're like old cars from a junkyard, paint it up good enough, and everyone thinks it's brand new...but inside, dying ever day. Any woman truly proud of who she is or what she looks like won't use makeup.

I bet you didn't know that they blame men for all of their makeup products being too expensive. They say that men created their standard and that the models in the magazines are that way because men stereotype women and their standard of beauty, when it's women modeling in those mags, and real men don't even read Cosmopolitan or other girl magazines. So, they blame us for them having to wear the crap, but then try to act like control freaks and goddesses, expecting you to serve them like Queens, just because they now have a new opinion of themselves after putting paint on their face. It's a con, it's unfair to men, many men have done crazy sh!t that has ended them up in prison or even dead, because of this lie.

They should try to change themselves back to a normal human being, instead of always trying to change us men. We men are real, and it comes at a great cost many times. Women have always taken the easy, cheating way out.

(Below) On the left...what you get stuck with. On the right, what you WISH you had gotten stuck with. This is typical.
Rule: Demand that you see them without their makeup before having sex with them, or especially before asking them to marry you. You may find that you have dodged a serious bullet. They're not so hot after all.....it's all an illusion to fool stupid, horny men. You're being exploited.

a reply to: IlluminatiTechnician

Women have always taken the easy, cheating way out.

You mean easy way out like giving birth out of our vagina ?

Dude, take a chill pill. Sorry that some broad did you wrong. Not all women are trouble, just like not all
men are rapists.