Teacher Andrew Greenwood's Actual 1967 Audio Testimony On The 1966 Westall UFO Sighting

Well, here's something I never heard before. This video clip was posted on YouTube on November 15th and contains the actual audio testimony from a teacher, who witnessed the Westall UFO, that occurred on April 6, 1966 in Melbourne, Victoria, Australia. On June 28, 1967, Westall High School science teacher Andrew Greenwood was interviewed by American physicist, Dr. James E. McDonald. Supposedly, this is the first time the actual audio has ever been posted online. I apologize if this was posted on ATS before, but I didn't see that it was, after doing a search. Here is a brief synopsis of this interesting 26 minute interview. I highly recommend you listen to this interview in its entirety.
...A school girl raced into Greenwood's class and said there was a UFO hovering outside the school
...At first he didn't think nothing of it, but eventually went outside, a short time later, during a recess break
...There were @300 school children already outside observing this UFO
...It took a while for Greenwood to see the craft because it was silvery gray in color and matched the overcast sky
...It was a cylindrical, cigar shaped object, that had a "bulge" in the middle and appeared to be 2/3 the length of a Cessna light aircraft
...From where he was standing, the object was @1/2 mile away, at its farthest point, but eventually traveled within 1/4 mile from the witnesses
...As the UFO hovered, it appeared to move up and down. It would accelerate and disappear out of sight and then reappear in another part of the sky
...Greenwood saw a small, light aircraft approach the UFO and the craft appeared to play "cat and mouse" with it
...Greenwood and the students saw 5 additional light aircraft flying in the air, at the time of this sighting, but a nearby airport denied that there were any planes in the sky
...The UFO seemed to travel behind a tall row of pine trees @600 yards away from the witnesses
...Some of the faculty and school children went towards this area
...Some claimed the UFO landed behind the row of pine trees and a school girl stated that she saw windows on the craft
...The UFO was in sight for @25 minutes, before accelerating so fast that it seemed to disappear
...Some teachers, who saw the UFO, kept quiet about what they saw, after a headmaster claimed the UFO sighting was "a lot of nonsense" at a school assembly
...An Air Force officer came to the school two to three days after the sighting to investigate

a reply to: shawmanfromny

Thanks for posting this - very interesting stuff.

Dr McDonald was a great interviewer (and atmospherical physicist) - too bad he never completed his book about the UFO subject.

Dr James Mcdonald with John Pearce - Sydney, June 26th, 1967.

..Chapter 8 of the book covers quite a bit of Australian UFOlogy for this era. While here, McDonald "...consulted with numerous veteran researchers, including Peter Norris, Ian McLaren, Roy Russell and Stan Seers among others..

"McDonald was always on the lookout for cases where some type of possible physical evidence had been obtained. " (p.173.) The chapter provides concise details of cases such as the 5 Mar 1967 Coyle photographs; the 23 August 1953 T. Drury movie film; the 2 Apr 1966 James J. Kibel Melbourne photograph; the 6 Apr 1966 Westall High School incident; the 26/27 June 1959 Gill CE3 at Boianai; and the 19 January 1966 Tully "nest" case.

Firestorm: Dr McDonald's Fight For UFO Science

In this link aboutMcdonald's Australian research there are also some intriguing comments made about how the scientist may have found out what was actually behind the phenomenon.. but sadly he died before he could share it.

When I was in high school in the 80's, several people told me about a weird ufo event that took place at their elementary school in the 70's, in Tucson Az.

They all said that a huge, grey saucer came and hovered over the school in the middle of the day, blocking out the sky. Everyone raced to the windows to see and some were freaking out, and then everyone was back at their desks, looking at each other and wondering what had happened. They were all missing 40 min or so.

I think MacDonald and the Lorenzens both investigated it, as they were local and it vaguely rings a bell. It was pretty well known due to the many people involved.

It strikes me as human sourced rather than alien, mainly because letting so many remember seems sloppy... and beings that could cross interstellar space and erase memories probably wouldn't screw up so badly. It does seem 'close enough for government work,' though.

Who knows?

originally posted by: Baddogma
It strikes me as human sourced rather than alien, mainly because letting so many remember seems sloppy... and beings that could cross interstellar space and erase memories probably wouldn't screw up so badly. It does seem 'close enough for government work,' though.

Who knows?

Who knows? Don't think anyone does mate but the daylight disc school sighting you've just shared is yet another account up there with Westhall, Ariel, Broadhaven etc.

10 Alleged UFO Sightings Witnessed By Students At School

When it comes to origin I know many people use the 'light years' presumption to just dismiss the subject as a whole but there are plenty of alternate theories out there (and plenty of reasons to take the subject very seriously).

a reply to: shawmanfromny

Thanks for posting that,....very interesting.

The crux of the problem, seems to be the 5 light planes that were chasing the craft.

There are/were 2 RAAF bases in Melbourne, then and now.

One is an officers training college, the other is a flight training school.

They are approx 32kms/19.5 miles in a straight line, west of Clayton.

Not far at all.

The Pilot Training aircraft in the 1960s was the single engine light aircraft trainer the CAC Winjeel.
en.wikipedia.org...

To an untrained eye, a Winjeel could easily be confused with a Cessna.

I highly doubt, 5 privately owned Cessna's would be chasing a "UFO"??? on a weekday school day in 1966.

One would think the local airport would not permit such a thing to happen and air traffic control would be having kittens.


With this addition info from the period, by this teacher......I would have to surmise, as in guess, with no other information forthcoming.

That the "Cessna's" were in fact a pack of RAAF Trainee WInjeels, escorting, Chasing???? this object, be it Man Made or otherwise.

Still no answer to the question tho, but perhaps another piece of the puzzle........

At the time, the RAAF had the CAC Avon Sabre CA-27, the GAF Dassault Mirage III, and the Navy had the de Havilland Sea Venom before we got the Skyhawk. Not sure if any of these were based in Laverton in this period.

Perhaps there were no trainee Jet fighters to scramble from Laverton.

BTW on US request Australia joined the USAnians in Vietnam in June 1965.

I still wonder if this Westall" "UFO" was not some sort of secret project, that flew where it should'nt have...or perhaps even lost control.......There are other witnesses telling of it landing, and some kid touching it and burning his hand or it was too hot to touch or something.....but the shape and behaviour is very 1960s style.....similar to European and Canadian sightings around the same time.

Great mystery though....

a reply to: karl 12

I wonder if my story has been recorded in the literature. I got it from several separate sources over years, and the stories were not embellished, all basically the same except from different perspectives and seemingly the truth as the tellers knew it.

It's also true that the actuality behind the phenomena could be so removed from our expectations and reality constructs that any guess will likely be wrong on some level. I've always thought it could be several different phenomena filed under "ufos" but relatively unrelated, too.

But yes, anyone seriously looking at the data knows it is a real phenomena (or several) that has been concurrent with humanity for the duration.

Some seems explained by recovered tech (from the past or aliens) and a clandestine group, while some seems better explained by magic, gods, tricksters and fairies.

I sincerely hope some actual broad spectrum answers, or at the least data sharing, occurs .. .especially before I die for purely selfish reasons as this has vexed me for most of my life.

It's likely one of the most important matters for humans, too, as it seems tied to our true backstory and natures.

It's likely one of the most important matters for humans, too, as it seems tied to our true backstory and natures.

a reply to: Baddogma

This. Good post Baddogma, I think if we had a better idea about the nature of these things it would change our whole approach to life. I too have been vexed for most of my life by this. I turned 60 yesterday so well over 50 years.

a reply to: shawmanfromny

Interesting to hear Dr James E McDonald for the first time. He suffered quite badly from his association with UFOs and had some family problems. Sad story.

A man of great courage AND curiosity.
en.wikipedia.org...
Four of McDonald's peers from the University of Arizona wrote a reminiscence of their colleague, calling him "a man of great integrity and great courage. He was loved and admired by a great many people ... he made a lasting impact on many facets of atmospheric sciences ... and he will be missed much more than we now realize".[8]

I didn't realise he was also working on protecting the ozone layer.

a reply to: gort51

Perhaps there were no trainee Jet fighters to scramble from Laverton. BTW on US request Australia joined the USAnians in Vietnam in June 1965. I still wonder if this Westall" "UFO" was not some sort of secret project, that flew where it should'nt have...or perhaps even lost control.......

A few years prior the US started flying U2 out of a RAAF in East Sale, Victoria. That is a few hours drive east of Melbourne.

There was and I think still is confusion as to why.

Meaning the US military told the Australian Gov. its for this than that, weather experiments, something to do with nuclear tests.


Then in 1970, 4 years after the Westall incident, Pine Gap was operational.

For what its said to be its in a good position strategical but thinking of all the wild conspiracy ideas and claims that have come out about the base.


Just adding random nonsense that may not seem so random to some that try connecting the dots if there are any to connect here.

a reply to: Baddogma

I wonder is it this account? I can't open it myself.

newspaperarchive.com...

originally posted by: Baddogma
a reply to: karl 12

I wonder if my story has been recorded in the literature. I got it from several separate sources over years, and the stories were not embellished, all basically the same except from different perspectives and seemingly the truth as the tellers knew it.

Could it be the one recounted at the bottom of
this page mate - apparently sometime in the 1980's a huge (nearly half mile wide) boomerang shaped object hovered over Morenci High School and was witnessed by more than 100 students - they described the UFO as being 'several football fields in size'.

Incidentally there's also some really intriguing Arizona UFO incidents mentioned in the interview with the author.

m.cvbugle.com...

originally posted by: ManInAsia

Interesting to hear Dr James E McDonald for the first time. He suffered quite badly from his association with UFOs and had some family problems. Sad story.

Very sad story mate and he certainly was a courageous chap - don't know if you've seen it but there's a good description here about the 'harrassment' and 'surveillance' he experienced (and the attempted murder of his daughter on Harvard Campus) - he still kept on with the research though and below is a good PDF link.


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originally posted by: karl 12

originally posted by: Baddogma
a reply to: karl 12

I wonder if my story has been recorded in the literature. I got it from several separate sources over years, and the stories were not embellished, all basically the same except from different perspectives and seemingly the truth as the tellers knew it.

Could it be the one recounted at the bottom of
this page mate - apparently sometime in the 1980's a huge (nearly half mile wide) boomerang shaped object hovered over Morenci High School and was witnessed by more than 100 students - they described the UFO as being 'several football fields in size'.

Incidentally there's also some really intriguing Arizona UFO incidents mentioned in the interview with the author.

m.cvbugle.com...

Really do respect the other comments made in your post but alas time is an issue!

originally posted by: ManInAsia

Interesting to hear Dr James E McDonald for the first time. He suffered quite badly from his association with UFOs and had some family problems. Sad story.

Extremely sad story and he certainly was a man of great courage mate - don't know if you've seen it but there's a good description here of the 'harrassment' and 'surveillance' he experienced (and the attempted murder of his daughter on Harvard Campus) - he still kept on with the research though and below is a good PDF link containing it.


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I knew about what happened to his daughter and it seemed to.have sent him over the edge. A legend of UFOlogy. RIP.

a reply to: ManInAsia

Sure was mate and there does seem to be other examples of UFO researchers being intimidated, surveiled or stolen from
here- also a good video below dealing with the Westhall incident describing witness harassment and individual testimony.





Cheers.

a reply to: karl 12

I really liked the video, thanks. I have to wonder about Tanya. What happened to her in the time between the incident and when she surfaced again? She got close to the object yet has no recollection of it. And what about the English speaking woman that answered her door when her friend came to check on her that said no Tanya had ever lived there?