French police coral and gas protesters

a reply to: Wardaddy454

As always with msm there are snippets of truth amongst the spin. These protesters aren't one big cohesive group, by now there are likely all sorts of people protesting all sorts of things. Still though the main issue being a declining standard of living for the working class.

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
a reply to: Wardaddy454

Still though the main issue being a declining standard of living for the working class.

Yup, That's gonna happen when you tax people to death.

a reply to: Wardaddy454

Sure that's only part of the issue, somewhere in there inflation and buying power are tipping it over the edge.

a reply to: Blaine91555

nope

a reply to: paraphi

Change and raise awareness. Some do make a difference, even when apparently do not.

Mmmm-hmmm.

Can you give me some examples where peaceful protests accomplished this change?

TheRedneck

The government is supposed to enact the will of the people.
When the government no longer listens to the people, when the government uses the awesome power of the state to crush dissent among those people, what moral obligation are those people under to obey the laws of that government any longer?

a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

somewhere in there inflation and buying power are tipping it over the edge.

And we're back to government spending... more money printed for social programs creates inflation and reduces buying power. So I guess you're right; the problem isn't just taxes, it's out of control bad economic policies by the leaders.

TheRedneck

a reply to: CaptainBeno

Nothing Wrong in Dying for Your Country . It has been done now for Thousands of Years .........

originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

somewhere in there inflation and buying power are tipping it over the edge.

And we're back to government spending... more money printed for social programs creates inflation and reduces buying power. So I guess you're right; the problem isn't just taxes, it's out of control bad economic policies by the leaders.

TheRedneck

Well that's the norm really, bad management coupled with greed.

a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

I can't argue with that. The issue as I see it is that those who get elected have access to such attractive temptations to make money for themselves by supporting private interests that no matter who gets elected, there is a good chance they will make bad financial decisions for their constituents.

Again, I bring up the French Revolution. As each group attained power, they quickly became the target of the next group that wanted power, because no one could (or would) satisfy both their own desires and the desires of the people.

TheRedneck

a reply to: TheRedneck


Actually the MSM is only reporting on Paris.... but most of the country is at a standstill

originally posted by: TheRedneck
Can you give me some examples where peaceful protests accomplished this change?

A recent protest where I live forced a land owner to reopen a historic footpath and reiterate historic rights. I participated. Oh, you want something bigger. Well, if you want something bigger then do some research - you may find the various protests about Brexit are pushing / fuelling political debate, especially the so called the well arranged "People's Vote". Even the largest demonstration in recent times - the anti-war protests - may not have prevented war, but they did set the scene for war being more difficult to make in the future.

Open your eyes. Perhaps you can detail why you think protest in a developed county is pointless?

a reply to: paraphi

A recent protest where I live forced a land owner to reopen a historic footpath and reiterate historic rights.

OK, I'll grant that's reasonable. I'm confused about he word "forced"... I was talking about peaceful protests. How was he forced? Or do you mean "persuaded"? Possibly "frightened" by an implied threat of violence, too... I wasn't there of course, so I don't know for sure.

I was also referring to protests against the government... I guess I should have made that clearer.

Well, if you want something bigger then do some research - you may find the various protests about Brexit are pushing / fuelling political debate, especially the so called the well arranged "People's Vote".

I thought Brexit was a decision voted in... was it protested in? I'll admit I know little about it, simply because I don't care... not my country. I don't have a dog in that race. I do know Brexit hasn't happened yet, right?

And no... if you want to prove me wrong, you get to do the research.

Even the largest demonstration in recent times - the anti-war protests - may not have prevented war, but they did set the scene for war being more difficult to make in the future.

Oh, it set a scene... OK, what does that mean? Did it prevent a war? Oh, sorry, you already stated it didn't.

So far you've given me one example of an individual being somehow "peaceably forced" (sounds like an oxymoron to me) to relent on a decision, and two examples of protests not working, even though you seem to think they actually did something concrete.

Perhaps you can detail why you think protest in a developed county is pointless?

I didn't say protests are pointless. I said protests are rarely peaceful and effective at the same time.

TheRedneck

a reply to: anonentity

Yeah, I know... thanks to ATS, not the MSM. Y'all keep us updated. We won't get the whole story from the pundits... never do.

TheRedneck

a reply to: anonentity

Someone finally gets how to set an example when protests get out of hand. If this happened in a city like Baltimore, the officials there would tell to police to stand down and let the rioters riot and loot.

originally posted by: Blaine91555
a reply to: ausername

Unless France is under a monarch and they have no way to replace leaders in elections, no it's not even remotely the same. What an odd comparison to make?

I suspect you know that France elects it's leaders, right? I'd think the answer is to elect someone else and not to loot, burn and destroy property.

The topic though as I read it is to do with the authorities behavior and they are just protecting the peace and meeting force with force. To criticize them is very disingenuous when the video's of criminal behavior by many of the rioters are so easy to find. Law enforcement can't change the laws or legislate.

That's how I was reading it, too. I can think of several situations like this in the USA that should have been handled similarly.

a reply to: Blaine91555

I'm sure there aren't enough real protesters there, actually for the cause of the protest, to successfully turn on the looters and rioters. The other peaceful ones are probably too ignorant to understand the persona the thugs are giving off and think they're fighting for the same cause, so they stand down and let the thugs thug around.

originally posted by: anonentity
a reply to: Blaine91555


The problem is if their was only a peaceful demonstration, nothing will get done to cure the problem of the protesters, but when property gets damaged and rioting starts it gets the Governments attention. If your favorite restaurant gets trashed and you have to go some place else while it gets refurbished that tends to piss you off .

Right, and if it was my restaurant, I'd go after the ones tearing it down. Not the government.

originally posted by: alldaylong
a reply to: ausername

The American colonies in the 1700s were faced with higher taxes and under tyrannical rule. They rebelled

I always laugh when i hear this.

Colonists complaining at that time about " Tyranny " but where still happy to continue the " tyranny of slave ownership "

How hypocritical.

Seen as tyranny now, but not in any century prior to the 19th century.

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
a reply to: Wardaddy454

Sure that's only part of the issue, somewhere in there inflation and buying power are tipping it over the edge.

Isn't socialism grand?