Robert Mueller's big Friday

a reply to: scraedtosleep

I'm pretty sure one is the obstruction of justice case. Another could be campaign financing law issues.

originally posted by: jadedANDcynical
This is probably the most relevant part of the document:

Cohen’s criminal violations of the federal election laws were also stirred, like his other crimes, by his own ambition and greed. During and after the campaign, Cohen privately told friends and colleagues, including in seized text messages,that he expected to be given a prominent role and title in the new administration. When that did not materialize, Cohen found a way to monetize his relationship with and access to the President.

THE GOVERNMENT’S SENTENCING MEMORANDUM (direct .pdf lin)

This right here says that Cohen's sliminess was of his own volition, not the result of any sort of coercion or at the behest of the president.

Yup, Cohen is a slimeball, but he's his own slimeball.

No, Cohen implicated 'individual 1', who was a candidate for the Presidency of the US, owned a large tower in Manhattan and wished to build another similarly branded tower across from the Kremlin at the edge of Red Square.

a reply to: scraedtosleep

These guys all think they are so smart. The entire bunch dont have half a brain between them.
Im a New Yorker and I know that sleazy business deals are made every day. I have known trump was a dirty player since the eighties when he left three little children and flaunted his affair in front of them. No wonder they are so damaged today.

a reply to: chr0naut

In all likelihood it just means there is sensitive information pertaining to an ongoing investigation which Mueller doesn't want revealed yet.

a reply to: alphabetaone

He did until he chewed off the eraser and put teeth marks up and down the shaft. Then they took it away and sent in a stenographer but she quit when trump pinched her on the ass. So they sent in a mime. Thats why it took three weeks.

originally posted by: Aallanon
a reply to: chr0naut

against hillary and obama

Hillary is under investigation too, it doesn't somehow negate the case against individual 1.

Hillary and Obama also do not represent a clear and present danger anymore.

originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: chr0naut

In all likelihood it just means there is sensitive information pertaining to an ongoing investigation which Mueller doesn't want revealed yet.

Honestly, I think it's a ploy by the Special Counsel to protect himself and the Special Counsels office. If he named names now, it could easily backfire on him and give rise to removing the Special counsel. NOW, its a part of the record in the SDNY's courts...it's frustrating for US not knowing what's in there, but none of that information is redacted to the courts, to the Special Counsel or to the defendants counsel. If this is the case, its a damned smart move.

originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: chr0naut

In all likelihood it just means there is sensitive information pertaining to an ongoing investigation which Mueller doesn't want revealed yet.

While that is a possibility, the investigation touches upon the POTUS being compromised and controlled by leader of an enemy state.

a reply to: xuenchen

If hillary really did commit any crimes this isn't good for her.

They are having him back to answer the questions that he was told he couldn't answer. He might answer them.

a reply to: underwerks

More like selective hearing or being brain washed.

If this was a liberal president who had a Republican majority of both houses, you can bet your last dollar impeachment proceedings would have taken place during Trump's first year in office. Lets face the facts, having a party majority controls what's done in congress. Our representatives are more focused on political party power and keeping their political office. The issues affecting the majority of Americans, and our country's character and values takes a back seat. Trump is already facing a felony for using campaign money to silence his affair. (Lying about it and going against campaign spending is pretty much similar to the reason why Bill Clinton was impeached. Which of course was pushed by conservatives).

I won't be surprised if democrats press for impeachment but it fails because democrats don't have a majority in the Senate. I bet the votes will breakdown exactly by party lines. The party-system does nothing but divide this country and goes completely against the idea that congress is to negotiate and work on behalf of the people.

originally posted by: WeRpeons
a reply to: underwerks


I won't be surprised if democrats press for impeachment but it fails because democrats don't have a majority in the Senate. I bet the votes will breakdown exactly by party lines. The party-system does nothing but divide this country and goes completely against the idea that congress is to negotiate and work on behalf of the people.

I think the Democrats are in a bad spot right now. If they push for impeachment, there is a serious risk of it failing.

If they DONT push for impeachment, what will history say about those who had to power to do something about it?

Tough spot.

originally posted by: jadedANDcynical
This is probably the most relevant part of the document:

Cohen’s criminal violations of the federal election laws were also stirred, like his other crimes, by his own ambition and greed. During and after the campaign, Cohen privately told friends and colleagues, including in seized text messages,that he expected to be given a prominent role and title in the new administration. When that did not materialize, Cohen found a way to monetize his relationship with and access to the President.

THE GOVERNMENT’S SENTENCING MEMORANDUM (direct .pdf lin)

This right here says that Cohen's sliminess was of his own volition, not the result of any sort of coercion or at the behest of the president.

Yup, Cohen is a slimeball, but he's his own slimeball.

Um...

During the campaign, Cohen played a central role in two similar schemes to purchase the rights to stories – each from women who claimed to have had an affair with Individual-1 – so as to suppress the stories and thereby prevent them from influencing the election. With respect to both payments, Cohen acted with the intent to influence the 2016 presidential election. Cohen coordinated his actions with one or more members of the campaign, including through meetings and phone calls, about the fact, nature, and timing of the payments. (PSR ¶ 51). In particular, and as Cohen himself has now admitted, with respect to both payments, he acted in coordination with and at the direction of Individual-1. (PSR ¶¶ 41, 45). As a result of Cohen’s actions, neither woman spoke to the press prior to the election. (PSR ¶ 51).

a reply to: nataylor

And in there lies the lies.

👀

I just cant bring myself to care... after the umpteen bazzillion other we got him now moments that were blasted across the news, the message boards, social media ad nauseam.

Bring me trumps head on a pike or for the love of all things can we drop it, he is not going to be convicted of a felony, he is not likely even if all the hubbub is true,to get impeached any time soon.


Cause as soon as the boogyman is gone the democrats would have to run on something of substance, instead of orange man is bad, and they know they cant manage that.

originally posted by: Aallanon
a reply to: Wayfarer

Isn't that what this thread is doing? speculating?

Yep, exactly.

Both the Manfort and Cohen documents contain nothing at all about Russian collusion.
That's Cohen, Flynn and Manafort now done and dusted and the President is untouched.
All we've seen is an opinion that the Daniels payment and one other payment to a 2nd woman was a violation of campaign finance laws.
It's looking pretty thin on the ground for the stragglers still pretending there was any form of illegal activity in cahoots with Russia during the election.
I guess the only hope left for the crazies is that the 'investigation' drags on for another 2 years so 2020 can be influenced like the midterms.

a reply to: Irishhaf

This is not about indicting Trump - which is not an option under stated DoJ regulations.

What is happening is simple - the publication of politically fuelled opinions, absent of any evidence, that is designed solely to give the Democrats the ground they need to begin impeachment proceedings.
Unfortunately for them, they have zero hope of removing the President via impeachment. They'll have to dump much more propaganda on the American people if they have any hope of swaying 20 Republican Senators to remove Trump.

originally posted by: Irishhaf
Bring me trumps head on a pike or for the love of all things can we drop it,

Now that the speculation is gone and there are people going to prison with evidence, a sitting President being accused of felonious acts - NOW you want to drop it? Yea sorry, I don't buy your feigned exhaustion routine.

Though in fairness to you, what you said I've been saying to my own inner circle for some time now...just leave it alone and let the judicial process work, which they couldn't seem to do and wanna keep running their mouths about EVERY SINGLE thing Trump did. It makes people numb when there IS some real news.

I also agree that if Democrats want to really shine, they damned well better have a message other than "Trump was bad so we're good"

a reply to: UKTruth

My question is; if there was indeed 'no collusion' but numerous laws were broken does that invalidate everything, in your opinion?

a reply to: alphabetaone

I agree. Although, I have to side with the latter. I don't give much credit to either political party. Both parties should be putting our country first! This president's poor character, lack of credibility and poor moral values alone should have raised the awareness of all Americans. It's a lesson that our representatives are simply self-serving and will ignore a president who goes against everything this country values. Including attacking the constitutional right of a free press.

I feel the Republican party has shown it's true colors. Many well known conservatives have spoken out against the party and some have even withdrawn their political affiliation. As for the democrats, they've proven to be spineless when it comes to making a stance against a leader who has demonstrated tyrannical tendencies. I would rather see Democrats push for impeachment and fail doing it rather then sitting on their hands and worrying about rocking their political boat. History will view this as government representatives not holding a president accountable and allowing our country to go against everything America stands for.

This should also be a clear revelation that our party system doesn't create an atmosphere for representatives to work together for the benefit of Americans and the country. Placing labels on our representatives creates nothing but divisiveness and staunch party loyalty. We should get rid of the labels and let political candidates run on their issue perspectives. The party system, having no term limits, corporate and special interest campaign donations in politics is the main reason why we have a do nothing congress.

a reply to: WeRpeons


Well, the reality of it is, we're in the midst of an epistemic crisis of magnaminous proportions. If you go back through the last 2 years of posts on the back and forth on Trump is bad / Trump is great threads it becomes amazingly clear.