Citizen Swap New Migrant for Old Boomer

What if we traded one of our old people for a young migrant that wants to work.

It would be 100% voluntary.

Here is how I picture it. A migrant would be allowed in, while we send a baby boomer/retiree down to Honduras or such.
It would be a joint arrangement.

Everyone wins, here's how.

The boomer would be able to retire on much much less money. There would have to be things set up for medical and care and serious crime reduction. Elder care is already a huge issue here and only going to get worse. It seems these countries have tons of people and no work.
We know cost of living is much less and these boomers could even help boost the economy.

For the US, we would get a young workforce. Some would be labors, some would go on to be more.

I know the US was involved with a lot of the disruption in those areas. If we are able to influence negatively, why couldn't we
do the opposite?


I don't know about you but this looks pretty amazing, This is Honduras. If this had no crime, and cheap elder care, and affordable medical.....

a reply to: JAGStorm

Ooh,

We could trade crackheads for puppies and rainbows too!

a reply to: watchitburn

I'd trade a lot of people for a puppy, any day.

originally posted by: watchitburn
a reply to: JAGStorm

Ooh,

We could trade crackheads for puppies and rainbows too!

The problem with this world is that people don't want to think/work on solutions, they just want to complain.

If a baby boomer went down to Hondurus, they would be better off, fresh food instead of chemical laden undigestible crap and they won't need many doctors. Maybe they might need a doctor if they sprain their back while gardening or step on a jellyfish at the beach. I am sure local doctors will be able to tell them what to get, after all there are a lot of pain relieving cheap illegal drugs flowing through that area.

Maybe they can get a job working for the Cartel down there for a little extra money, growing things to sell over here.

Where do I sign up

a reply to: rickymouse

www.numbeo.com...

just look at the difference in rent prices!

As for the cartels, America knows what it needs to do regarding legalizing things, it would end the cartels.


Regarding what you said about health, you are spot on. A friends dad had brain cancer. He went to Costa Rica to die peacefully.
He ended up fully recovered. The air, the food, the simple living. He is 100% cured. This happened four years ago and he is still alive and well.

a reply to: JAGStorm

If I were a powerful Democrat like Pelosi, when the Dems next take the White Hut, I'd set up a program that would offer to buy out white retiring boomers in exchange for their agreement to leave the US, to never return, and to surrender their right to vote! All the while of course passing Immigration reform that basically permanently opens the borders

Now there, you're talking about a program at least 50% of the population could get behind!

See:www.theatlantic.com...

No defensible moral framework regards foreigners as less deserving of rights than people born in the right place at the right time.

originally posted by: TonyS
a reply to: JAGStorm

If I were a powerful Democrat like Pelosi, when the Dems next take the White Hut, I'd set up a program that would offer to buy out white retiring boomers in exchange for their agreement to leave the US, to never return, and to surrender their right to vote! All the while of course passing Immigration reform that basically permanently opens the borders

Now there, you're talking about a program at least 50% of the population could get behind!

See:www.theatlantic.com...

No defensible moral framework regards foreigners as less deserving of rights than people born in the right place at the right time.

Getting rid of borders is not feasible. It would take many decades of conditioning world citizens to even make it somewhat possible.. Another problem is that people have different immunity issues, some people carry symbiotic microbes and diseases that can kill other people. How would you like to go to a restaurant and have your kids die because someone around the food shed microbes on it. It is already happening around this country and people are getting sick, people blame it on the flu but it rarely is the flu that is causing problems. Viruses are also microbes, one person who sheds a virus who is a carrier can spread it all over.

Also along with that, people tend to haul special foods with them and try to grow them, those foods can be invasive in some areas.

originally posted by: JAGStorm

originally posted by: watchitburn
a reply to: JAGStorm

Ooh,

We could trade crackheads for puppies and rainbows too!

The problem with this world is that people don't want to think/work on solutions, they just want to complain.

Yup...which is why I usually post this on those threads...

a reply to: JAGStorm

Sure. Make it a game show. I'd watch.

Who will get lucky today on...Citizen Swap!

a reply to: rickymouse

Oh........yea, the nations without borders idea is really pretty ridiculous. I just posted that story to illustrate how the "other half" thinks about immigration. They're being conditioned by the Alinskyite College professors to accept these "moral" arguments against maintaining national boundaries so they'll accept One World Government tyranny along the lines of the EU, i.e. make the whole world one huge Schengen zone.

You're arguments are valid although, I'd have to point out, the elites could care less about health concerns. They don't eat where WE eat; its not a problem for them. If they had health concerns they'd do something about homelessness on the west coast...........but they don't care about any of that.

Probably the single greatest argument against the doing away with national borders is the welfare v.s. tax base problem. If your country is operating a reasonably decent safety net of social welfare programs then that's going to cause a "run" on those programs by people coming in from around the world for the free stuff. That's a budget busting problem that would soon collapse the programs and the government administering them and then you're left with thousands starving in the streets burning down buildings and ending operation of civil society as previously known.

An example of that was Hawaii in the 1980's; they had an over ample welfare system that encouraged a huge influx of professional bums to the islands. They had to drastically scale back those very same programs.

Keep bringing in people that are willing to work for less than you. Really?
The less people applying for a job causes the value of the worker and job to go up.

a reply to: JAGStorm

I would suggest an amendment to the proposal.

1. A percentage of the new worker's pay (let's say 2%) is redirected annually to a savings account/checking/401k of the associated boomer in the swap (perhaps a one-time lump sum of $5000.00 to start it out). Since they are being displaced, and may not have any retirement funds of their own, it would be more of an incentive to enter into the deal.

2. I would also require that U.S. citizenship be left intact, and offer of dual citizenship of the new host country be available. That way, if the SHTF in the host country, then the U.S. citizens are still protected....as they have not renounced their citizenship in the U.S. They can still go to the U.S. embassy in that host country for protection assistance.

a reply to: JAGStorm

It’s a great idea actually. I just see one problem with it. The elderly want to be close to family so they can visit them, and I can’t see families packing up and moving so they can visit mom and grandma once a week.

I AM A BABY BOOMER! I don't want to leave the U.S.A.

originally posted by: Sheye
a reply to: JAGStorm

It’s a great idea actually. I just see one problem with it. The elderly want to be close to family so they can visit them, and I can’t see families packing up and moving so they can visit mom and grandma once a week.

This is why it would be voluntary. There are tons of elderly with no relatives or at least children. If the place is safe enough I imagine that those with kids might actually visit more than they normally world. I could actually guarantee it.

When we lived in Florida we had relatives coming out of the woodworks to visit us!

originally posted by: mamabeth
I AM A BABY BOOMER! I don't want to leave the U.S.A.

Shut up you old fart, better than them trying to stick us in a nursing home.

originally posted by: mamabeth
I AM A BABY BOOMER! I don't want to leave the U.S.A.

You don't have to leave, nobody would ever be forced. It would be 100% voluntary.

If retired, just find a destination and expat to a country and say F this crap in the US.

originally posted by: CharlesT
If retired, just find a destination and expat to a country and say F this crap in the US.

Which is why I suggested the amendment that ads the incentive of a percentage (i.e. 2%) of the pay from the new worker goes to the retiree entering into the program. Then, you can do the expat thing and be paid for it too....at least its better than nothing.