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Illmatic

Malcolm X was really interesting on this subject, but I won't post what I thought was his strongest position on Eurocentred religion and slavery. I support what he said about Blacks worshipping in their own image. How he says it however comes across as inflammatory and not for weak stomachs.

Others I found interesting to read were Marcus Mosiah Garvey and Albert Cleage.

I suspect most Christians don't give two hoots about Christ's color, just the message.

I like how you said what you said.

I've surmised he may have been the skin type of most others in the region he was born.

Also, I don't fret or argue over this because Jesus never said anything about himself being a 'color' for the now, obvious reason.

Originally posted by Cammo Dude

Notes to self:
After I take over the world.
1) Torture Bush.
2) Make fads illegal.
3) Hang all racists.
4) Torture Bush again.

Note to self pimp slap Cammo for obvious reasons.

Originally posted by alien

Originally posted by Cammo Dude
Seeing what people do and did to blacks makes me want to kill off all racists in the world.

While I appreciate what you are saying...and acknowledge what you are feeling...it isn't just Blacks that have been the victims of racism...nor is it just Whites that have been the perpetrators of racism...racism is something ALL races have, at one point or another, been subjected to...and have also subjected others to.

Many cultures, both White and Black, have been oppressed and killed off in order for another culture to spread their own empire, their own people.



Peace,
ALIEN

This I know and agree with.

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Originally posted by NinjaoftheNight

Note to self pimp slap Cammo for obvious reasons.

Cool. ...and with style.

Originally posted by Illmatic67
It's my own personal belief that if we all knew without a doubt that Jesus was black racism would not exist.

Do you see ? One more time, you are linking racism with the fact that Jesus has been portrayed as a white man and not a black man.

Illmatic67, this is a RACIST statement !

Damn it, am I the only one on ATS who can see in your game ?????????????????????????????????????????

racism always has and always will exist. In canada people think the white man is racist, i am not,
i have lots of friends that are non-white,

people always bitch about equality but they themselves don;t respect others who are different

in canada i can say
black people are good at basketball(that wud be politically correct)
or
white people are better at hockey then black people at hockey(politically incorrect)

I really hate political correctness, it's bringing down society. We need less hyopcrites. I DO NOT support racism, i think it's a good cause to eliminate racism. I just hate it when the people who are supposively the victims become just as visicous as the people they accuse

How in the world is what I said racist?

I just said that if everyone knew Jesus was black racism would not exist. How is that a racist comment? I don't understand.

UP, you probably look for every single post I post, hoping it has a degree of racism so you can find a reason to ban me. It's not gonna work buddy.

dude, what if i am a buddhist? what if i am a hindu or a muslim or what not? what if i do not belive in jesus? i could give a damn what color he is cos i don't think he exsists. so what if god decided he would have a son, in the middle of the roman empire, change the world and bring us all into a state of hellish disfigurement during the dark ages? i could debate religion all day long, that is not what this forum was made for. and for all of yall uppity christians who go around building missions in Haiti and import assault rifles from america, i've got an eleventh commandment.

Keep Thyne Religion to Thyself

Jesus was not a person. But came in the form of a man. Spiritually he was every race because he did not judge that way. We can spiritually all be every race if you accept them into being just like you with no walls.

As for everyone else:

Quit using large text! It is annoying!

The reason I wrote this thread was not to spark a debate about Jesus' skin colour ... it was to point out exactly what ALIEN said .. that racism comes in all forms ... and to further that statement by pointing out that reverse racism just adds to the problem.

I accept and understand Illmatics explanation on why he thinks Jesus' skin colour matters, however I don't know that I agree that there would have never been racism if he was black. My point is that it's very sad that it matters .. and maybe racism will never go away until it really doesn't matter - to ANYONE.

Alien, you are correct in saying that Canada is not racist free, but again I don't experience it much here. I dated a black man for 4 years and during those 4 years, we got one funny look from an old lady. However, when he and I went to Chicago together I was in for the shock of my life. There was nothing that could have prepared me for what I experienced there. I guess based on that personal experience, I see Canada (or at least Vancouver) virtually racist free (although I'm sure it is not).
Maybe things are different in Eastern Canada where f16falcon is from based on his post. That I don't know since I've never been there, so I wont comment on it.

Originally posted by Illmatic67
How in the world is what I said racist?

1) I just said that if everyone knew Jesus was black racism would not exist. How is that a racist comment? I don't understand.

2) UP, you probably look for every single post I post, hoping it has a degree of racism so you can find a reason to ban me. It's not gonna work buddy.

1) It's not racist on the first view, of course. But you know exactely what I mean. Jesus is white = racism Jesus is black = no racism. If Jesus was black, I could write Jesus is black = racism and Jesus is white = no racism. I don't see why a black Jesus would stop the racism. It's stupid. Jesus can be black or white ( or any other colors ), the racism will not disappear.

Your statement is tendancious because it bend to say that the whites ( all of them ) are racist. It's like to write that all the black are racist because some of them are racist. I disagree with this point of view. A man is a man, and he can be white or black, we'll have allways racist in the both side. And when you write what you write, if you don't see why I think its racist ( and I'm 100% sure you know what you do ), so it's pretty sad for you.

2) Not at all.I'm not looking for every signle post you do and I don't want to ban you. In fact, I like to read your post, even if , most of the times ( but not allways ) I disagree with you. I will NEVER try to ban you ( or someone else ) because I don't like what you say.

I really hope that you're the only one who think such thing.

hehe, i read this funny anarchist joke somewhere, it went like:

God? She's Black.

somehting like that

just forget that i said anything.

......nice try SM...........

Ressurrected...

The subconcious venom that raged in this post, has got me wondering if I see a trend here on ATS...

www.streetnewsservice.org...

www.ncwcnbes.net...&Poor/reportjusticepoor/pressjusticepoor_e.htm

www.ccsd.ca...

Why don’t you take a look at your OWN country? You wouldn’t come across as such a sanctimonious jerk.

Nobody's perfect; especially Canada.



[edit on 12-1-2006 by Dissension]

Racism is a state sponsored agenda that started in America. Before then a French person was a French person by mandate that does not mean that the ruling class somehow looks alike. (Henceforth the recent riots)
It is funny to me that they can tell about a region in Africa (middle east) and judge them as if they are like the population you see today. If we did that then I guess there were whites in the Americas 2000 years ago. Jesus was a product of the people that lived there and more than likely they were black or black like. Remember there has been fighting there for over 3000 years. The same with the first Egyptian kings or pharaohs. Archeology does not lie. Imperial evidence sometimes gets destroyed because of political reasons but not all.

The problem more with modern society is that you cannot continue to justify the ruling class looking like a white European male. When I mean ruling class in mean power not just money. Here in America a white Christian male has been the president for over 200 years and with the changing population you would think that there would at least be one out of them that might be from another group of people. ONE :bash:

There is no reverse racism!
It is a myth if you stack the numbers of wealth whites are still on top. If you look at CEO positions white male is still on top, heck if you look at the coaches in professional sports (because black are good at sports) there is still a problem. As many times as black perform over the expectations on the field they still cant seem to get the coaching jobs. You never know they might be able to teach determination.

You might be uncomfortable about the problem as you should things should change for the better. Level the playing field it will better for the whole hemisphere.

The problem is that in places in the western countries they do not teach about others in history. How much do you know about your neighbor that might be Jewish, Black, Spanish or Asian? They have history in America also but those things are considered special history when it should be just history.

I agree history can be used for nationalism and that is a big big problem.

James Baldwin said he hears people claim they are not racist but if tomorrow they were black what would they think? Most would not be happy. If it does not matter then why so sad? Because in their heart they know what really is going on. Not all are overtly racist but if is in the society it is as an institutional activity they can help but be a part of the problem. (For instance I do not like what they are doing in Iraq that money could go to schools and cities but I am helping to pay for it.)

I hate when blacks give up my father told me I had to be twice as good to be on par with a white person in money and power not character. Sadly he was telling the truth. I was one of those who said my generation I will change the ideas of racist people but we too are failing. I had friends who rode hard with me but in the end they had the ability to benefit from the privileges in America and moved up more easily. Every time I am at work I am sure there is some white person thinking that a got my position because of race when I worked my but off to get it. That itself is a problem.

Originally posted by BlackThought
Racism is a state sponsored agenda that started in America.

The problem more with modern society is that you cannot continue to justify the ruling class looking like a white European male. When I mean ruling class in mean power not just money.

There is no reverse racism!

It is a myth if you stack the numbers of wealth whites are still on top.

I hate when blacks give up

YOU SAID IT...
REAL TALK...
SUMMED IT UP NICELY...

MLK Day: Dreams and Nightmares
by Robert Jensen

www.commondreams.org...

On this day that we mark with his name, all over this country, that speech will be played, as it should be. King articulated -- perhaps more eloquently than anyone had to that point -- the demand that the United States make good on the American dream, for all its citizens.

But on April 4, 1967, at the Riverside Church in New York City, in a speech titled “Beyond Vietnam,” King spoke just as eloquently of the nightmare that lies underneath that dream. In that speech to Clergy and Laymen Concerned about Vietnam, King not only made a compelling case for ending the U.S. attack on Vietnam, but went beyond that to diagnose a failed society.

Happy MLK

One reason why I admire Canada.

- Predominantly liberal.

- Not a war-mongering country.

- Christians arent trying to rule it.(I hope?)

Canada respects everyones beliefs and practices.
Well...I shouldent make such generalizations, this is just in comparison to America.

Also, if you wanted to be technical about it, Jesus was neither black nor white. He was middle eastern. =P

[edit on 16-1-2006 by Kacen]

who was in the middle east at that time? thats right!!

like the indians were in America 2000 year ago also.